Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[LTC8K6]

But we have to excuse BH - he can't be expected to actually remember any details about the suit.
We just need to accept his nebulous memory and the other hearsay as brute fact.

I think that is your cue over at BFF, Diogenes.

But we have to excuse P/G - they can't be expected to actually remember any details about the event.
We just need to accept their nebulous memory and the other hearsay as brute fact.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's irrelevant whether it was easy or hard because no one knows how long P/G had to do it, what help they had, how much money, etc.

If it was easy, then they just did it.

If it was hard, then it likely took them several tries and maybe even several suits.

Assuming it is a hoax, then it is irrelevant whether it was hard or easy, they did it.

 

[LTC8K6]

I disagree entirely with what dfoot did, btw.

 

[Correa Neto]

Nor did I claim it does, but I believe Correa predicted Meldrum would just dismiss anyone trying to challenge his work, or words to that effect. ...snip...

Have I? Exactly where?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I think that is your cue over at BFF, Diogenes.

But we have to excuse P/G - they can't be expected to actually remember any details about the event.
We just need to accept their nebulous memory and the other hearsay as brute fact.

I've pointed that out so many times, it ought to be my signature....

Did you see the exchange about Chambers ?


He lied ( by ommision ) for 30+ years, but if he finally, flatly said he didn't do the costume in PGF, in the interview with Short, then that must really be the truth ..

http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com/html/article.php?id=74

JC: I never made an ape suit for Roger Patterson and there isn't anyone else who could have, not in
those days.

Someone is real confused about the quality of the costume, and what was available in those days..


( I don't think Chambers made the suit ... But there seems to be a feeling among some Footers, that if Chambers wasn't connected to the suit, it is evidence the film is not a hoax.. Go figure... )

 

[Huntster]

I thought we'd agreed that everybody was a liar, and we could simply concentrate on the subject of the film instead of trying to catch one side or the other in yet another lie?

 

[LTC8K6]

If so, then we can look at the physical things we actually have, which doesn't include the original PGF, as far as I can tell.

 

[LTC8K6]

Does Chambers ever say it's not a suit?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I thought we'd agreed that everybody was a liar, and we could simply concentrate on the subject of the film instead of trying to catch one side or the other in yet another lie?

How can we concentrate on the film ? Most of it is missing ...

What we have, looks like a bloke in furry pajamas to me..

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Does Chambers ever say it's not a suit?

The quote above, implies he thought it was too good to be a suit..

This could still be classic misdirection or sarcasm..


In other words, he thinks it's crap, but says it's so good, it was beyond his capabilities..

He could have been pulling Short's leg , but she just went with what she wanted so bad to be true..

 

[LTC8K6]

He doesn't appear to believe bigfoot is real, though.

JC: I wouldn't know about that, yes, I know now. Don't you think it's all phony baloney
anyway?
Question: No, I don't . . .when this story got back to the Bigfoot community it caused a lot of dismay,
pain and grief.
JC: I wouldn't know about that. You believe in this monster stuff?

This is absolutely wrong.

JC: I never made an ape suit for Roger Patterson and there isn't anyone else who could have, not in
those days.

 

[LTC8K6]

Hmmmm......

This is not so. It rose from its crouch, turned, took four or five steps and then stopped

When it stopped it stood, motionless, for what I count, in my examination of the incident, as visible in the footage, for about one and half seconds. Maybe a period close to two seconds.

http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com/html/article.php?id=73

 

[Huntster]

How can we concentrate on the film ? Most of it is missing .....

I don't think it's missing. I think you just don't have access to it.

We have copies.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Hmmmm......
http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com/html/article.php?id=73

I noticed that too. Did Byrne see some footage at the beginning, not being shown now ?

2 Seconds is a long time in Pattyfilm chronology..

I have heard other reports of people seeing a film where Patty was standing still at the beginning..

Doesn't happen in all the clips I've seen ..

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com/html/article.php?id=33

Lots of interesting stuff in there that I never knew, such as the discrepancy in the track direction and the fact that no other 14.5" tracks were found at the site. Some stuff that doesn't matter too, but a lot of good stuff.

I don't know how much of the good stuff is true, though.

 

[LTC8K6]

We have copies.

Have you seen a version where Patty stands still?

 

[LTC8K6]

If Patty stood still for 1-2 seconds, we ought to have a good look at her. That would be between 16 & 48 frames of Patty standing still in the open, depending on the fps setting and 1-2 seconds of time.

You could do a lot with that many frames of Patty standing still, such as overlaying them.

 

[Huntster]

Have you seen a version where Patty stands still?

Nope.

 

[LAL]

Parcher accused the sculptor of deliberately creating a statue that misrepresented Patty in order to make her appear more authentic. He put forward five claims:
• The thigh bulge was missing (I countered that it was visible when viewed from the side);

Murphy included a link to a photo of it in his latest newsletter (if anyone still cares).

 

[Dfoot]

When Chambers told Bobbie Short that no one could build anything like that back then that is a clear sign that Chamber's pal (the one I spoke to) may well have been telling the truth as such a statement is absolute rubbish and Chambers would know that.

The thing I can't seem to get across to people is that Chambers and his friends think this is hilarious. To them, it's an awesome prank among funsters (that's what they called themselves back then).

I just checked in at the BFF and found that the thread in which I experimented to see how long it would take for an actual image of Patty that I claimed was a suit I'd made (which I'd com posited onto a different background) before it would be blasted as not being anything nearly as good as Patty. Took all of a few seconds before I was told that my "new suit" had legs that were all wrong, that it was nothing but a blobsquatch, that it looked like a bad Gozilla suit, etc...

Now the thread is closed. Not unlike some minds really.

I believe that there could very well be some sort of undiscovered species like Sasquatch. Perhaps even a few survivors into the modern age. But this film is simply a con based around interest in this subject. That's all.

Below is my "new suit" on the left next to the image of Patty from the film. I used an arm from another frame.

This messenger has been shot. I would have expected nothing less. But maybe some will think about what I've demonstrated with this experiment.

- Dfoot