Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[bruto]

Guess what?

Both black bear and cougar will tree when the dogs get close. That's why dogs are used in that way.

Don't try it with a griz. You'll loose some expensive dogs.

Griz don't tree. They'll stand and fight.

We don't know what sasquatches will do. The reports indicate that they fight, and do so well. So well that dogs are reluctant to run them.

Just like griz.

So, I'd speculate that one would need dogs trained to chase dangerous game, and smart enough to stay alive if the game doesn't tree.

Know where I might find such dogs?

Maybe instead of looking for the best dogs you should look for some stupid dogs. Long ago when I camped out in the Can. rockies, signs abounded warning people not to go hiking in bear country with dogs because the bears will attack. That suggests that stupid dogs aren't too hard to find, so maybe what you need is some dumb dogs that you don't like too much. Make sure you have a really good camera or camcorder or both, and follow the dogs at a safe distance. If the speculation about sasquatches and dogs is correct, the squatch will attack the dogs, and be occupied doing that as you trump the entire bigfoot community by actually remembering how to operate your camera, remembering to focus it, and remembering to turn it on. Clear film or tape of a sasquatch ripping up a couple of dogs will solve the question of his existence forever and quiet the skeptics, though you'll probably never hear the end of it from PETA.

 

[LTC8K6]

That is because you Eastern folks are now into emotional preservation (instead of conservation), and are more afraid of firearms and hunting than bears (for good reason, I suppose; if you're in the streets more than in the woods).

Spoken by someone who hasn't got a clue about "Eastern" folks, and by someone who presumes that where a person is now is where they are from and that they have never been across the big muddy.

Prejudiced much?

 

[LTC8K6]

Not to mention that you haven't got a clue about the Eastern US in general, Huntster. The land, the wildlife, the people,... not a clue.

 

[Huntster]

Try a creature that is perhaps 200 times more rare than a bear? How many lifetimes do I get?

So then you shouldn't pass up any opportunities you get.

That all depends..........

If I ever see one, shooting it will be a decision of the moment.

Obviously, you aren't much of a hunter, or you'd know that.

....P/G only had to get a chunk of it to their truck. They also had movie and still cameras with them to film the body. They should have had no trouble bringing a head, arm, or leg out, and I suspect you wouldn't either....

They agreed not to shoot beforehand unless attacked. In 1967, they thought that all they needed was film.

Again, they had no idea of the ***** that was about to go down.

Even today I'm amazed over people like yourself, not to mention the science industry.

PG were out of their league.

If I were to shoot one, I could behead, behand, and befoot it in minutes.

It's a damned shame it has to come to that.

By the way, are you willing to identify yourself as one who demands such?

It might come in handy some day..............

I'd hate to be remembered as a butcher of an extremely rare and endangered species............

 

[Huntster]

Hunting a sasquatch, even with fairly fresh sign around, isn't a walk in the park, folks.

Pure invention on your part Huntster. A totally unsupportable claim.

I support the claim with the reality that, for the past 50 years, many people have hunted them with little or no success.

If it is easy, why don't you show us how?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Guess what?

Both black bear and cougar will tree when the dogs get close. That's why dogs are used in that way.

I'll keep this in mind when hunting black bear and cougar with dogs..

Don't try it with a griz. You'll loose some expensive dogs.

Griz don't tree. They'll stand and fight.

So dog's don't have a natural fear of griz like they do of Sas ?

We don't know what sasquatches will do. The reports indicate that they fight, and do so well. So well that dogs are reluctant to run them.

Just like griz.

But you just said we would lose some expensive dogs if we used them to hunt griz. How can we lose them if they won't run them ?
How have dogs in general, learned to avoid Sas ?

So, I'd speculate that one would need dogs trained to chase dangerous game, and smart enough to stay alive if the game doesn't tree.

Know where I might find such dogs?

Why do I feel that a simple google will turn up dogs that will chase dangerous game ?

I'm not even going to waste the few seconds it will take ..

 

[Huntster]

I think lots of folks on this forum think that “hunting a sasquatch” would be an easy task.

No they don’t !

They think it would be a fruitless effort.

The evidence suggests that, deep down, Bigfoot believers think it would be a waste of time also; since they obviously make no serious effort to try....

The rantings of a denialist.

The evidence suggests that today's sasquatch enthusiast doesn't have enough time, experience, or assets to conduct a successful search for such a rare and elusive creature.

There are plenty of serious efforts to try; within the limits of individual effort.

Where is "science"? Where are their resources?

 

[RayG]

Spoken by someone who hasn't got a clue about "Eastern" folks, and by someone who presumes that where a person is now is where they are from and that they have never been across the big muddy.

Prejudiced much?

I've been fortunate enough to live on both coasts during my lifetime. I must admit I did far more hunting as a teenager down east in Nova Scotia (deer, rabbit, duck, partridge, porkypine) than I did as an adult during the five years I lived out west on the Queen Charlotte Islands (none).

RayG

 

[Huntster]

I'd like to give it a try some day, but not until after retirement, when I can devote a good month or so on site, and not without adequate resources (like dogs and handler a phone call away).

Sounds like the thing to do if you are seriously interested in documenting this creature..

The payoff would be priceless. Are we to believe people like Noll and Meldrum are not aware of this ?

They may not be "close to retirement" (have the time), or have the resourses, tools, experience, etc to pull it off.

Finding rare creatures can take a lifetime.

Sometimes it can consume many lifetimes.

But, then, you knew that, didn't you?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I support the claim with the reality that, for the past 50 years, many people have hunted them with little or no success.

The ' little or ' part, was superfluous..

Where are these ' hunting ' reports ?

BFF and BFRO Is filled with reports of sighting, but no concerted effort to " hunt/track "...

We see all kinds of reports of HUNTERS , who find Bigfoot sign and see them, but do not hunt them..

I know of a guy who calls himself Hunster, but has nothing but excuses about why Bigfoot cannot be hunted..

 

[Correa Neto]

...snip...I'd hate to be remembered as a butcher of an extremely rare and endangered species............

No problem. It's very hard, actually impossible to butcher an immaginary creature...

 

[LTC8K6]

Diogenes, we have discussed dogs before in this thread, of course. You can find bear hunting dogs in New York, for example.

In states where hunting with a gun is not allowed, the dogs are used to hunt for photography and other purposes.

 

[Huntster]

Maybe instead of looking for the best dogs you should look for some stupid dogs. Long ago when I camped out in the Can. rockies, signs abounded warning people not to go hiking in bear country with dogs because the bears will attack. That suggests that stupid dogs aren't too hard to find, so maybe what you need is some dumb dogs that you don't like too much.......

I have some "stupid" dogs. The problem is that they aren't so "stupid" as to follow griz scent, let alone sasquatch scent (which, I'm sure, they've never smelled).

I have standard poodles. I rarely take them into the woods with me, but I do take them on occasional walks in the bush.

We've had meetings with both bear sign (scent) and bears in the fur.

I don't leash them in the woods.

I am confident in writing that an untrained dog is more a liability than an asset with regard to bears. I'm sure the same would be true with sasquatches.

 

[Correa Neto]

BTW, don't you think an animal with such injuries should be a bit easier to track and eventually bag (dead or alive)?

Cripplefoot should limp a lot, Patty with that hernia, (not to mention the scars and poop dangling from the butt) must also not have been the fastest animal of her kind...

Oh, I see, I'm a mere faithless urbanoid, whose mind is polluted by science...

 

[LTC8K6]

Obviously, you aren't much of a hunter, or you'd know that.

Uncle Sam trained me to kill men, which look a bit like sasquatch at a distance. Or in a jumpy 16mm film.....

Since bigfoot is supposedly a lot larger though, I am confident of success even beyond 300 meters.

 

[Huntster]

That is because you Eastern folks are now into emotional preservation (instead of conservation), and are more afraid of firearms and hunting than bears (for good reason, I suppose; if you're in the streets more than in the woods).

Spoken by someone who hasn't got a clue about "Eastern" folks, and by someone who presumes that where a person is now is where they are from and that they have never been across the big muddy....QUOTE]

I have a great amount of experience with folks from "east of the Big Muddy", as well as "Califruity".

I don't know where you as an individual are from, but it is obvious that you aren't from the wilderness.

...Prejudiced much?...

Yes; much.

Not about the existence of sasquatches, or human race, or about politics........

but I have a whole hell of a lot of prejudice about people from the city telling folks in the woods what we see, hear, and experience.

Actually, it isn't pre-judicial.

It's reality.........

Something, that you clearly have no experience with.

 

[RayG]

That all depends..........

If I ever see one, shooting it will be a decision of the moment.

Obviously, you aren't much of a hunter, or you'd know that.

Not sure I follow. Is he being classified not much of a hunter because of his willingness to shoot, or his reluctance to shoot?

Even today I'm amazed over people like yourself, not to mention the science industry.

Can you clarify 'people like yourself', so I'll know whether or not I belong to that particular group.

By the way, are you willing to identify yourself as one who demands such?

Evidence? Yes, I believe that's what is required, but I couldn't do it myself. I wouldn't condemn someone who did either.

I'd hate to be remembered as a butcher of an extremely rare and endangered species............

Now Huntster, you're sounding like one of those Eastern folks that are into emotional preservation.

RayG

 

[Huntster]

Why do I feel that a simple google will turn up dogs that will chase dangerous game ?

I'm not even going to waste the few seconds it will take ..

Do it. A few seconds won't hurt, will it?

Let us know all the handlers who hunt bear.

Ask them if they're willing (on a moments notice) to ship their dogs to any point in North America and hunt a sasquatch.

Report back. I'll be waiting.

Why?

Because I need that handler and his dogs.

Show me.

Show us.

 

[LTC8K6]

Now Huntster, you're sounding like one of those Eastern folks that are into emotional preservation.

He's all over the place.

 

[LTC8K6]

I have a great amount of experience with folks from "east of the Big Muddy", as well as "Califruity".

I don't know where you as an individual are from, but it is obvious that you aren't from the wilderness.

Yes; much.

Not about the existence of sasquatches, or human race, or about politics........

but I have a whole hell of a lot of prejudice about people from the city telling folks in the woods what we see, hear, and experience.

Actually, it isn't pre-judicial.

It's reality.........

Something, that you clearly have no experience with.

That's it, I have had enough of this clown. On to ignore he goes.