Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

[a_unique_person]

I now have completely lost any ability to understand what is going on with this Trump/Russia thing.

Wake me up when it's over.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I now have completely lost any ability to understand what is going on with this Trump/Russia thing.

Wake me up when it's over.

tl;dr - Trump offered Russia political favors (destabilizing US elections) in return for money (Trump Hotel Moscow), and then offered Russia money (sanctions) in return for political favors (hacked emails), and everyone important has known about this since six months before the election.

It's why the Republicans in this (Fusion GPS) interview are more concerned with finding ways to discredit the Steele Dossier regardless of truth value than they are with ascertaining that truth value. They already know the answer.

 

[Travis]

Yet another important document the true believers will declare "fake news" then demand be burned on the parade grounds while the Fuhrer watches approvingly.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Well, I can understand why Simpson has been calling for a few weeks for this transcript to be released. Where's that popcorn smilie when you need it?

 

[BobTheCoward]

tl;dr - Trump offered Russia political favors (destabilizing US elections) in return for money (Trump Hotel Moscow), and then offered Russia money (sanctions) in return for political favors (hacked emails), and everyone important has known about this since six months before the election.

Poorly alleged.

 

[NoahFence]

Poorly alleged.

 

[BobTheCoward]

You don't got the proof.

 

[NoahFence]

You don't got the proof.

I got the "duh"

The dude has been neck deep in Russia for decades. Use your brain once in a while.

 

[Stacko]

White House Official Floated Withdrawing U.S. Forces to Please Putin

A senior National Security Council official proposed withdrawing some U.S. military forces from Eastern Europe as an overture to Vladimir Putin during the early days of the Trump administration, according to a former administration official in the room with him.

While the proposal was ultimately not adopted, it is the first known case of senior aides to Donald Trump seeking to reposition U.S. military forces to please Putin—something that smelled, to a colleague, like a return on Russia’s election-time investment in President Trump. The White House did not immediately respond to The Daily Beast's request for comment.

The official who offered the proposal, a deputy assistant to Trump for strategic planning, mused in February 2017 about withdrawing U.S. troops close to Russian borders as part of a strategy proposal to “refram[e] our interests within the context of a new relationship with Russia,” the former official told The Daily Beast, who heard this directly from the official, Kevin Harrington.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I got the "duh"

The dude has been neck deep in Russia for decades. Use your brain once in a while.

I don't have to do anything. It is incumbent on those making a claim to present their evidence and proof.

 

[NoahFence]

I don't have to do anything. It is incumbent on those making a claim to present their evidence and proof.

indeed. You made the case that it was poorly alleged.
Now make your case.

 

[BobTheCoward]

indeed. You made the case that it was poorly alleged.
Now make your case.

I remain unconvinced. Allege is "claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case." It isn't proven to me, therefore from my position it is poorly alleged.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Well, I can understand why Simpson has been calling for a few weeks for this transcript to be released. Where's that popcorn smilie when you need it?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well, I can understand why Simpson has been calling for a few weeks for this transcript to be released. Where's that popcorn smilie when you need it?

So we can have a ton if assertions without evidence? I want data to back up it his claims.

 

[NoahFence]

I remain unconvinced. Allege is "claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case." It isn't proven to me, therefore from my position it is poorly alleged.

Well it (collusion) can't be proven to anyone yet.

All we have is what's publicly available, and even you have to admit it's pretty damning.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well it (collusion) can't be proven to anyone yet.

All we have is what's publicly available, and even you have to admit it's pretty damning.

As the people involved are not presenting all evidence in an open manner, I do not form opinions on what happened.

 

[Childlike Empress]

So we can have a ton if assertions without evidence? I want data to back up it his claims.

They don't even start to understand the context of this document. Feinstein released it against the expressed will of the investigators, giving away to the conspirators what Simpson stated, making it easier to align their statements in the upcoming roastings. And the dumber of them of course confuse statements with the truth, as always.

 

[BobTheCoward]

They don't even start to understand the context of this document. Feinstein released it against the expressed will of the investigators, giving away to the conspirators what Simpson stated, making it easier to align their statements in the upcoming roastings. And the dumber of them of course confuse statements with the truth, as always.

That isn't even remotely related to my post.

 

[NoahFence]

You two fight it out.


LOL

 

[Childlike Empress]

That isn't even remotely related to my post.

But it's on-topic.

Mentioned complaints:

[...] A spokesman for Grassley, Taylor Foy, called it "confounding" that Feinstein released the transcript "unilaterally," over the objections of the Republican majority. This will hurt the work of the committee to bring in future witnesses, he said.

"Feinstein's unilateral decision was made as the committee is still trying to secure testimony from other witnesses, including Jared Kushner," Foy said. "Her action undermines the integrity of the committee's oversight work and jeopardizes its ability to secure candid voluntary testimony relating to the independent recollections of future witnesses." [...]