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He is a UK citizen living in the UK. Good luck with that.
It's nothing more than a smear campaign. What's actually worrisome is seeing Graham and Grassley leading this fake charge.

Have these GOP legislators not yet recognized Trump is a sinking ship?

Makes me curious if there isn't something about Pence that worries them even more than Trump.
 
It's nothing more than a smear campaign. What's actually worrisome is seeing Graham and Grassley leading this fake charge.

Have these GOP legislators not yet recognized Trump is a sinking ship?

Makes me curious if there isn't something about Pence that worries them even more than Trump.

I don't understand Graham. I always thought he was waiting in the tall grass for Trump.
 
Rachel Maddow tonight: the secret information included in the request for the FBI/DoJ to investigate M. Steele is information Graham and Grassley got from the FBI/DoJ.

The corruption here reeks and is spreading.
 
It's not Russia interfering in the election, nope nosireee.

It's Clinton, the dossier, the Clinton Foundation, Fusion GPS (Congress wants their financial records), Steele, Uranium One.

This is bad, and I'm not saying that lightly.
 
I am reminded of my dad saying, "all Presidents commit crimes," referring to Nixon during the Watergate hearings. I'll never forget him saying that. I was appalled.


Hooray for Steyer and his personally financing this campaign: Needtoimpeach.com

We need a billionaire or two on our side right now.
 
I am reminded of my dad saying, "all Presidents commit crimes," referring to Nixon during the Watergate hearings. I'll never forget him saying that. I was appalled.

I've heard a number of Republicans, when it comes to the bad behavior of their people, just try to generalize it, much like that.

We need a billionaire or two on our side right now.

There are a few, at last check. Billionaires are people, too, and there's nothing intrinsically bad about them. It's just that a lot of people don't like billionaires getting special treatment and effectively buying the politicians that are supposed to be working for the betterment of all, rather than primarily the rich.
 
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There are a few, at last check. Billionaires are people, too, and there's nothing intrinsically bad about them. It's just that a lot of people don't like billionaires getting special treatment and effectively buying the politicians that are supposed to be working for the betterment of all, rather than primarily the rich.
I'm sorry but you seem to be missing a critical fact, there are enough billionaires interfering in our government for their selfish ends at the expense of the general population that we are getting screwed because of it.

Yeah, it's fine Bill and Melinda Gates are doing great things. And there are more than a few philanthropists. That's nice.

But what about the Kochs and the Mercers and the Scaifes that are using their billions to buy themselves a new Constitution?
 
I'm sorry but you seem to be missing a critical fact, there are enough billionaires interfering in our government for their selfish ends at the expense of the general population that we are getting screwed because of it.

Pretty sure that I didn't miss that. I didn't even remotely claim that all billionaires are "on our side," after all. Or even that most were. There are a few, though. Unfortunately, yes, there fairly certainly are more that are not... and that have few qualms with using deceit to try to get the things that they want. Grover Norquist, one of the single most influential people in the descent of the Republican Party into madness, for example, is primarily backed by billionaires like the Kochs, by the look of it.
 
Pretty sure that I didn't miss that. I didn't even remotely claim that all billionaires are "on our side," after all. Or even that most were. There are a few, though. Unfortunately, yes, there fairly certainly are more that are not... and that have few qualms with using deceit to try to get the things that they want. Grover Norquist, one of the single most influential people in the descent of the Republican Party into madness, for example, is primarily backed by billionaires like the Kochs, by the look of it.
Last reply because it's getting off-topic. You falsely asserted that I demonized billionaires.
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Billionaires are people, too, and there's nothing intrinsically bad about them.

Maybe you should re-read my post about Steyer's impeachment campaign without that false assumption and see if you can't come to a different conclusion about what I posted.
 
Back to the Nixon comparison: Nixon made a point of claiming he didn't know about the break-in before it happened. Maybe the deleted 18 minutes begged to differ but I digress.

So the crime became the cover-up and obstruction instead of Nixon's collusion ;) orchestrating the break-in of the DNC office.

Here's the thing, either everyone in the Trump admin involved in conspiring with Russian agents knew they were breaking the law and purposefully kept Trump out of the loop to insulate him, or they were ignorant of the law in which case why would anyone have a reason to keep Trump out of the loop?

Or, which I think fits the evidence better, they all knew it was illegal (thus everyone trying to hide their Russian contacts) and they were too stupid to keep Trump out of the loop.
 
Last reply because it's getting off-topic. You falsely asserted that I demonized billionaires.

Maybe you should re-read my post about Steyer's impeachment campaign without that false assumption and see if you can't come to a different conclusion about what I posted.

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Err... No. What I said wasn't even remotely saying that you were demonizing them. That would have actually been outright nonsensical in context, after all. As you said, you had just mentioned Steyer. You should probably take a step back and re-evaluate your false assumptions and see if you can't come to a different conclusion about what I posted.
 
Here's the thing, either everyone in the Trump admin involved in conspiring with Russian agents knew they were breaking the law and purposefully kept Trump out of the loop to insulate him, or they were ignorant of the law in which case why would anyone have a reason to keep Trump out of the loop?

Or, which I think fits the evidence better, they all knew it was illegal (thus everyone trying to hide their Russian contacts) and they were too stupid to keep Trump out of the loop.

There's also options like them considering themselves to be effectively above the law (The FEC's prosecuted how many people lately?), so they didn't bother even thinking about that angle, but treated it as if it would just be potential dirt on them, so they tried to hide it for entirely political reasons. That can probably be mixed and matched with your other options, of course.

Then there's also the part where there's also a good chance that Trump's original goal in the campaign wasn't actually to win, but rather to get the cameras on him and profit from becoming a focal point for the rabid anti-Clinton sentiment during an expected Clinton Presidency... and if they lost, of course, how many would actually care about any deals they made with Russia?
 
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Here's the thing, either everyone in the Trump admin involved in conspiring with Russian agents knew they were breaking the law and purposefully kept Trump out of the loop to insulate him, or they were ignorant of the law in which case why would anyone have a reason to keep Trump out of the loop?

Hours after Donnie Jr. arranged to meet with Goldstone and a "Russian government attorney" to get dirt on Hillary, Trump said, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." I seriously doubt it was a coincidence. I'm pretty sure Donnie Jr. would want an immediate pat on the head for what he had arranged.
 
Robert Parry has suffered a stroke on Christmas Eve and has published his first article after that as an apology and explanation for not having cranked out a piece every other day as usual. Important read.

Robert Parry said:
[...] The hatred of Trump and Putin was so intense that old-fashioned rules of journalism and fairness were brushed aside. On a personal note, I faced harsh criticism even from friends of many years for refusing to enlist in the anti-Trump “Resistance.” The argument was that Trump was such a unique threat to America and the world that I should join in finding any justification for his ouster. Some people saw my insistence on the same journalistic standards that I had always employed somehow a betrayal.

Other people, including senior editors across the mainstream media, began to treat the unproven Russia-gate allegations as flat fact. No skepticism was tolerated and mentioning the obvious bias among the never-Trumpers inside the FBI, Justice Department and intelligence community was decried as an attack on the integrity of the U.S. government’s institutions. Anti-Trump “progressives” were posturing as the true patriots because of their now unquestioning acceptance of the evidence-free proclamations of the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

Hatred of Trump had become like some invasion of the body snatchers – or perhaps many of my journalistic colleagues had never believed in the principles of journalism that I had embraced throughout my adult life. To me, journalism wasn’t just a cover for political activism; it was a commitment to the American people and the world to tell important news stories as fully and fairly as I could; not to slant the “facts” to “get” some “bad” political leader or “guide” the public in some desired direction.

I actually believed that the point of journalism in a democracy was to give the voters unbiased information and the necessary context so the voters could make up their own minds and use their ballot – as imperfect as that is – to direct the politicians to take actions on behalf of the nation. The unpleasant reality that the past year has brought home to me is that a shockingly small number of people in Official Washington and the mainstream news media actually believe in real democracy or the goal of an informed electorate.

Whether they would admit it or not, they believe in a “guided democracy” in which “approved” opinions are elevated – regardless of their absence of factual basis – and “unapproved” evidence is brushed aside or disparaged regardless of its quality. Everything becomes “information warfare” – whether on Fox News, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, MSNBC, the New York Times or the Washington Post. Instead of information provided evenhandedly to the public, it is rationed out in morsels designed to elicit the desired emotional reactions and achieve a political outcome.

As I said earlier, much of this approach was pioneered by Republicans in their misguided desire to protect Richard Nixon, but it has now become all pervasive and has deeply corrupted Democrats, progressives and mainstream journalism. Ironically, the ugly personal characteristics of Donald Trump – his own contempt for facts and his crass personal behavior – have stripped the mask off the broader face of Official America. [...]
 
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Err... No. What I said wasn't even remotely saying that you were demonizing them. That would have actually been outright nonsensical in context, after all. As you said, you had just mentioned Steyer. You should probably take a step back and re-evaluate your false assumptions and see if you can't come to a different conclusion about what I posted.

You said there were a few good billionaires then followed with:
Billionaires are people, too, and there's nothing intrinsically bad about them. It's just that a lot of people don't like billionaires getting special treatment and effectively buying the politicians that are supposed to be working for the betterment of all, rather than primarily the rich.
Given that followed my quote it sounded like you were accusing me of not knowing that.

I'll take it that's not what you meant and we can move on.
 
Hours after Donnie Jr. arranged to meet with Goldstone and a "Russian government attorney" to get dirt on Hillary, Trump said, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." I seriously doubt it was a coincidence. I'm pretty sure Donnie Jr. would want an immediate pat on the head for what he had arranged.

Well, you and I and everyone else observing these events knows Trump was of course in the loop. He's too narcissistic to let anything go on he's not involved with, not to mention Donnie Jr would have course run right to Daddy with this information.

I was pointing out the additional logical argument, of course Trump knows.
 
That's easy to admit. But would you cry if he were assassinated? Or if his presidency would have been prevented by the machinations of the Russiagate hoaxers? I don't think so, and as I said earlier I think the latter is the reason why your buddies don't even acknowledge the by now obvious hoax. Well, the several investigations do, and January will be a busy month:

Walls Close In Around DOJ and FBI “Small Group” Participants…
You should put a "Not Safe for Sanity" warning on that link.
 
Wow, it's sad to see Robert Parry having sunk so far. I agree with what he says in the page that Empress quoted but did not link to about journalistic integrity. It's sad, then, to see that his own articles on the subject do not conform to the standards he is advocating for. For example this article accepts seemingly unquestioningly the existence of a "deep state" conspiracy by the Obama administration to prevent Trump being elected and to oust him once he was, based on the Strozk texts - while omitting the fact that the people involved in setting up, staffing, and leading the relevant investigation and the agencies involved were/are all Republicans; while brushing off the fact that as soon as the texts were discovered Strozk was removed from the investigation; and while helping to promote the false narrative that people who work for intelligence communities are forbidden from having personal political opinions.

He also misrepresents what is in the Steele Dossier (at no point in the dossier is it claimed that prostitutes urinated on Donald Trump, as he claims it says, and rather than linking to the Dossier so that his readers can check for themselves, he links to a different article with the link to the text within it), and repeats that it was funded by Democrats without mentioning that it was also funded by Republicans and that Steele himself completed the Dossier pro bono and turned it over to the FBI of his own volition.

I have no idea what's going on and why his integrity has fallen as far as it has, but it's truly sad to see.
 
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