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Though of course we do have non-crime hate incidents.It's the courts' job to jail criminals for their crimes, not for thought-crimes, such as a sense of entitlement to commit crimes.
Though of course we do have non-crime hate incidents.It's the courts' job to jail criminals for their crimes, not for thought-crimes, such as a sense of entitlement to commit crimes.
Unlike you,. I've actually read one of those books. Try again.The books Broken and Betrayed - the true story of the Rotherham abuse scandal by the woman who fought to expose it' ~ Jayne Senior, Pan 2016; and Violated - A SHOCKING and HARROWING SURVIVAL STORY from the notorious ROTHERHAM ABUSE SCANDAL ~ Sarah Wilson, Harper Element, 2015.
Is this supposed to mean someting?Mushie doesn't own it.
Sigh, yes it is.Nothing to do with right wing or left wing politics.
The UCL one? (My apologies it was UCL not ICL). Here's a link to their take on the Home Office response to their work:Link to that report?
And the problem with 'people like you' is you distort anything to support your prejudices, regardless of facts.What was the timeframe it took the last government to implement after receiving the recommendations? Which have the new one done, which are they planning and in what time frame?
I know there have been improvements but for all the talk of how old this story is, i don't see any urgency. And this doesn't really answer my question of exactly why the backlash to the renewed interest?
This is the problem with debunkers. They hear something is debunked and that's all they needed. To be clear, your article states total distortions of whats in the report. Let's compare what they say to what the report says.
-Home Office report has concluded that there is no credible evidence that any one ethnic group is over-represented in cases of child sexual exploitation.
-For many in Britain today the term “grooming gang” immediately suggests Pakistani-heritage Muslim men abusing white girls, but the Home Office researchers now tell us that “research has found that group-based offenders are most commonly White”.
If you think these statements are the same I don't what to tell you.
The main thing to notice is that the report references 5 studies. All of them have Asian overrepresentation in group CSE. They can comment on the shortcomings of data, but there is literally nothing that counters that fact. Why, 8 years after the 2016 change to what demographic information police are suppose to track do we not have better studies that actually refute that? I am not begging the question, I honestly don't know why.
I do. Every Friday, for many years, I attend a fitness club, which happens to be next to a mosque. Every Friday I see muslim prayers gatheing there at about the same time. I've never seen one single woman. Ever.
Or, and how many female mulllahs do we know about?
And the process to establishing female ordination in the CoE was hardly free from strife.Women can be bishops in the Church of England, but they can't be priests at all in the Roman Catholic Church, nor in some of the other Protestant churches.
So what? BTW perhaps you should study Zara Mohammed......I am in the UK, which is what this thread is abiut.
A simple google search would tell you that Muslim men are required to attend Friday prayers, but women may pray at home instead (but are fully permitted to pray at the mosque). I would guess it then depends on local custom whether the women in a particular area choose to go to the mosque or not.I do. Every Friday, for many years, I attend a fitness club, which happens to be next to a mosque. Every Friday I see muslim prayers gatheing there at about the same time. I've never seen one single woman. Ever.
Or, and how many female mulllahs do we know about?
I'd just like everyone to realise that I have controlled my urge to start a digression into the Other Catholic Churches and invoke the memory of Romulo Antonio Braschi. I fear this thread is getting too diffuse already.Catholic Church in the UK doesn't allow women priests.
Source?
Well because it supports @rdwight's point of course.Why should I take the word of a far right CT website?
That's actually better than average for successful prosecution of rape reports in the UK.Exactly this: it is not enough. Over 1,400 known victims yet only 47 perps jailed, one or two for life, the rest with 'sex trafficking' (= minors labelled as ''prostitutes') with on average a six-year sentence, out in three years, whilst their victims are traumatised for life.
Could you quote the section which supports your assertion?![]()
Grooming gang rhetoric risks inciting mass violence, says Wes Streeting
Exclusive: Health secretary points to New Zealand mosque massacre and says entire communities must not be tarred with the same brushwww.theguardian.com
It's the courts' job to jail criminals for their crimes, not for thought-crimes, such as a sense of entitlement to commit crimes.
Which law do you want changed?And it is for the government to change the law. But they won't hence the never-ending stories of sex perverts preying on children only named and shamed after their deaths, such as Mohammed 'Al'-Fayed, Cyril Smith, Jimmy Saville, Louis Mountbatten, etc.
"The use of inflammatory language over grooming gangs risks vilifying entire communities and could lead to atrocities such as the mosque massacre in New Zealand that killed more than 50 people, the health secretary has warned."Could you quote the section which supports your assertion?
For the last government - infinity, they had two years and did nothing, the new government has a bill going through at this moment that deals with some of the recommendations. Because of the posture politics the ex-government is wanting to scupper the bill because ….? The likes of Musk want to also scupper the bill because…..? If anyone wanted to follow the reccomensations of the report in 2022 they would not want to scupper the bill going through at the moment. There is not an iota of sincere concern for children motivating the opposition, Farage, Musk et all. That is why for those of us that want children to be safer, to be more protected are pushing back at the fake outrage.
There's a Bill going through Parliament at the moment that implements the first of the recommendations.And it is for the government to change the law. But they won't hence the never-ending stories of sex perverts preying on children only named and shamed after their deaths, such as Mohammed 'Al'-Fayed, Cyril Smith, Jimmy Saville, Louis Mountbatten, etc.
"The use of inflammatory language over grooming gangs risks vilifying entire communities and could lead to atrocities such as the mosque massacre in New Zealand that killed more than 50 people, the health secretary has warned."
So now you know why you are not allowed to mention the elephant in the room...or at least, that is Streeting's pathetic rationale for covering up the grooming gangs scandal..
Is this supposed to mean someting?
Colour me unsurprised that once again your claim is complete bollocks. You either misunderstand the sentence you quoted or are wilfully misinterpreting it."The use of inflammatory language over grooming gangs risks vilifying entire communities and could lead to atrocities such as the mosque massacre in New Zealand that killed more than 50 people, the health secretary has warned."
So now you know why you are not allowed to mention the elephant in the room...or at least, that is Streeting's pathetic rationale for covering up the grooming gangs scandal..
Wes Streeting said he had “no difficulty or qualms” calling out the “sickening” crimes of sexual abuse gangs, criticising “well meaning, but ultimately fundamentally misguided and warped views of political correctness” for letting down thousands of children
Thank you for concurring that despite fine rhetoric, the government hasn't taken the issue of violence against girls and women seriously. A culture in which it was deemed normal for Police Office Wayne Couzens to wiggle his willy around in front of women in McDonalds, and whose nickname in the police was 'The Rapist', to just carry on...until the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard. Even then, it was the women who held a vigil who were attacked and dispersed by the Met.That's actually better than average for successful prosecution of rape reports in the UK.
Unfortunately.
Colour me unsurprised that once again your claim is complete bollocks. You either misunderstand the sentence you quoted or are wilfully misinterpreting it.
Because the next paragraph reads:
Furthermore, in what way is Streeting covering up the scandal?
I sense that these two things are not the same."The use of inflammatory language ...
So now you know why you are not allowed to mention ...
That has him saying that "inflammatory language" shouldn't be used, it doesn't support your claim that he said "that they dare not call it out in case there is a Christchurch-style massacre by an angry extremist".![]()
Grooming gang rhetoric risks inciting mass violence, says Wes Streeting
Exclusive: Health secretary points to New Zealand mosque massacre and says entire communities must not be tarred with the same brushwww.theguardian.com
Is Andy Burnham also 'far right'?I see it as a condemnation of Musk and his acolytes.
The usual fine rhetoric. Pretend you cannot reveal the demographic of the rape gangs because "it might incite the nutters".
But that is a disservice to their victims.
Can you show us an example of someone who said that was normal?... it was deemed normal for Police Office Wayne Couzens to wiggle his willy around in front of women in McDonalds...
Where has he been accused of using inflammatory language?Is Andy Burnham also 'far right'?
Is Andy Burnham also 'far right'?
I sense that these two things are not the same.
He, too, has called for an inquiry into the rape gangs.Where has he been accused of using inflammatory language?
Musk and Trump are Putin operatives. That doesn't mean their trouble-making isn't something that should be a key issue that has never been addressed.Is he using 'inflammatory language'?
Has he threatened the PM, a government minister or called for the government to be overthrown and mass expulsions of entire communities yet?
Elon?I despise Musk. He is a complete four-letter word.
Has anyone other than you said that it is?Why is it inflammatory to factually describe the key rape gang demographic?
As is so often the case, you seem to have forgotten what the question you were replying to actually said.He, too, has called for an inquiry into the rape gangs.
But...but...it's far right, M'Lud....
I am literally quoting the home office report your article simply paraphrased in a distorted faction. It's nonsense to argue that i should refer to an article about a report vs the report itself. You can try to disagree on the merits but you seem content doing whatever this is. If I've distorted, lied, mistaken something, feel free to point it out.And the problem with 'people like you' is you distort anything to support your prejudices, regardless of facts.
I've linked to the UCL report, perhaps you could read it?
I am literally quoting the reports and studies. I don't need to be expert to do so. And as wrong as I've been said to be, I haven't seen anyone point to what I say. Have never said only Pakistanis. Reading what I wrote shouldn't be this hard for you guys.You understand sweet fanny adams about this matter and yet you pontificate on it like you are the world's biggest expert on it.
For instance, all the people shouting about how disgraceful that nothing's being done these last 14 years are the people who spent that time in power deliberately making sure nothing could be done. And they're also repeating the racist lies that it's only Pakistanis doing this.
But hey, any lie told in the service of the far right must be good, right?
This seems to be the biggest issue for this discussion. I would only counter that we lack the evidence to confirm and to what degree, not that the available evidence doesnt point to that conclusion.People are talking way the hell past each other here.
Lack of ethnicity evidence does not mean there's no overrepresentation, it does mean we lack evidence.
Majority white offenders again does not mean there is no minority overrepresentation.
This seems more like political gripes than anything. I see implantation to varying degrees of some of the recommendations. There seemed to be support from both parties for the current bill before the added amendment i thought? Not to get into the weeds of uk legislation, but why does amendment proposal if added stop the implementation? Is it in the way it is crafted or is there no way for an inquiry to run at the same time as the other parts of the bill are put into affect?For the last government - infinity, they had two years and did nothing, the new government has a bill going through at this moment that deals with some of the recommendations. Because of the posture politics the ex-government is wanting to scupper the bill because ….? The likes of Musk want to also scupper the bill because…..? If anyone wanted to follow the reccomensations of the report in 2022 they would not want to scupper the bill going through at the moment.
Is that inflammatory, or is it saying Gordon Brown ordered Starmer to ignore everything and cover it up because the victims were given to Muslims in return for their votes?Why is it inflammatory to factually describe the key rape gang demographic?