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UK Rape Gangs

Poem said:
I'm not entirely clear what you are saying. Demographic information is useful.

I think the issue in the UK is that immigration is out of control. Some are concerned that we have imported a problem.
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Er, no. These are bonafide British perps.
 
catsmate said:
Start here, there are plenty of links and examples.
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So you concur it is not at all difficult to identify the demographics of the perps.

Several allegations of child sexual abuse have been made against clergy, members of religious orders and lay members of the Anglican Communion for events dating as far back as the 1960s. In many cases, these allegations have resulted in investigations, trials, and convictions.
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Thank you for demonstrating it should be very easy to identify and name the major perpetrators of stranger-grooming gangs targetting under-age girls.
 
Vixen said:
So you concur it is not at all difficult to identify the demographics of the perps.



Thank you for demonstrating it should be very easy to identify and name the major perpetrators of stranger-grooming gangs targetting under-age girls.
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Stop trying to put words, especially your, noxious, second-hand, bigoted words, into my mouth.
Then get back to trying to support your assertions with actual evidence.
 
catsmate said:
And your point is.....?
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Mainly that most of the posting on this topic is a joke. A chart that cuts off the qualifying information. Complaints of additional inquiry being unnecessary while complaining the last ones suggestions haven't even been implemented yet. Pointing out this was news years ago as if the underlying problem has been addressed, solved and moved on from.

I mean, the IICSA took 7 years to compile 20 suggestions, of which 5? have partially or fully been implemented in the 2 years since. In any other instance, renewed interest would be a good thing. Renews pressure on legislators to get things done etc. What is the main complaint about this that i am not getting?
 
Vixen said:
Er, no. These are bonafide British perps.
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Why do you think I was saying otherwise? I cited earlier the fact that the Home Office concluded that most offenders are white which correlates to the percentage of whites in the country. The question mark is the lack of comprehensive figures on ethnicity and whether police and social services were / are soft on non-whites.
 
Vixen said:
"The British Labour Government ( Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith ) wilfully allowed British children to become prey to Pakistani rape gangs. They issued a BLANKET BAN on investigations."
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I believe this is a quote from ex-police officer Dionne Miller - what evidence backs this up?
 
How Elon Musk seized on baseless memo claim to fuel wave of misinformation

Elon Musk's online attacks on former Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown over grooming gangs draw on a baseless claim about a Home Office memo supposedly issued 17 years ago, research by BBC Verify has established.

A wave of social media posts - including some amplified by Mr Musk - allege that a 2008 Home Office document advised police not to intervene in child grooming cases because victims had "made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour".

But BBC Verify has carried out extensive searches of Home Office circulars issued across that period and found no evidence that any document containing this advice exists.
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www.bbc.co.uk

How Elon Musk seized on baseless memo claim to create wave of misinformation

The X owner shared false claims that a Home Office memo urged police not to intervene in child grooming cases.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Vixen said:
Er, no! I have been following this scandal since at least 2015 according to my 'purchases history' on Amazon and Maggie Oliver's book.

The Report you refer to is to do with investigating the effectiveness of safeguarding these children/young adults. Having discussed children as young as 11 being multiply-raped by 'Asian' men, the Report concludes:

Section 4:


Show me where in the Report it draws any conclusions or recommendations about the British-Pakistani demographic of these callous organised rapists?

In fact, it concludes their victims cannot be considered reliable. Many of these criminals got away with it. That is a scandal and it needs to be openly addressed.


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Final words:
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Lots of words to say you'd never read it before.
 
rdwight said:
Mainly that most of the posting on this topic is a joke. A chart that cuts off the qualifying information. Complaints of additional inquiry being unnecessary while complaining the last ones suggestions haven't even been implemented yet. Pointing out this was news years ago as if the underlying problem has been addressed, solved and moved on from.

I mean, the IICSA took 7 years to compile 20 suggestions, of which 5? have partially or fully been implemented in the 2 years since. In any other instance, renewed interest would be a good thing.
Renews pressure on legislators to get things done etc. What is the main complaint about this that i am not getting?
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Which the new government is doing - they've only been in power since July of last year.
 
Darat said:
And?
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By any measure, a former chief prosecutor of the CPS saying on Radio 4's 'PM' programme:

"You may not know this, but back in 2008 the Home Office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying 'as far as these young girls who are being exploited in their towns and cities we believe they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it's not for you police officers to get involved in".

...is awkward. I will say, though, it does not justify anyone affirming such as truth; the rest of the BBC article must be included in any such speculations.
 
Well it wouldn't be newsworthy if it wasn't awkward, but there doesn't seem to be any indication it's true. Why does it matter how awkward a false rumour is?
 
Here's the circular in question -

UK Government Web Archive

This Page is [ARCHIVED CONTENT] and shows what the site page http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/corporate-publications-strategy/home-office-circulars/circulars-2008/017-2008/ looked like on 9 Mar 2013 at 16:06:39
webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk
 
Poem said:
By any measure, a former chief prosecutor of the CPS saying on Radio 4's 'PM' programme:

"You may not know this, but back in 2008 the Home Office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying 'as far as these young girls who are being exploited in their towns and cities we believe they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it's not for you police officers to get involved in".

...is awkward. I will say, though, it does not justify anyone affirming such as truth; the rest of the BBC article must be included in any such speculations.
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Which has shown to be false.
 
Poem said:
Why do you think I was saying otherwise? I cited earlier the fact that the Home Office concluded that most offenders are white which correlates to the percentage of whites in the country. The question mark is the lack of comprehensive figures on ethnicity and whether police and social services were / are soft on non-whites.
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That is not the topic. CSE covers all types. This topic is about the specific grooming gangs which do not fall under the usual category of dirty 'Uncle' Ezekiel peeping through windows or flashing in his filthy old mac.

Nor are we discussing immigration, racism or CRT.

For some reason posters prefer to believe that the perps are gangs of Anglican and Roman Catholic priests roaming the streets.
 
Well, peeps, are we any closer to NAMING the key demographic in the grooming gangs scandal?

Clue:

British-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it'​

Co-author of Quilliam’s report urges frank discussion on abuse because ‘problem won’t go away’​

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Note for USA readers: 'Asian' here refers specifically to British-Pakistani gangs, not Chinese or Indian.

Until the perps are called out we are going to keep pretending it is all perfectly OK.

The organisation, which usually focuses on counter-extremism, said it found 222 of 264, or 84 per cent, of people convicted of specific grooming-gang crimes in the UK since 2005 were Asian.

The report’s co-author, Haras Rafiq, is from Rochdale, where 19 British-Pakistani men were jailed between 2012 and 2015 after a grooming ring thought to have abused at least 47 girls was uncovered.

Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...se-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html
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Vixen said:
My understanding is that police were advised by social workers (Rochdale/Rotherham) it was a life-style choice.
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They apparently were, in some cases, but you're over 10 years late with the outrage. Since then, things have changed, in large part due to the same people that are incorrectly being targeted by ignorant billionaires.

Do you have any current information to share?
 
Vixen said:
Well, peeps, are we any closer to NAMING the key demographic in the grooming gangs scandal?

Clue:



Note for USA readers: 'Asian' here refers specifically to British-Pakistani gangs, not Chinese or Indian.

Until the perps are called out we are going to keep pretending it is all perfectly OK.
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What do you mean by 'called out'? Is prosecution and jail not enough?
 
I believe you guys know very well that this is true but some kind of „political corretness“, „tribe mentatlity“, peer pressure – or whatever you want to cal it – make you state otherwise.

  • The attitude towards women is very different in modern Christianity and modern Islam. I only mean modern times (no matter what the historical sources are). Christian women in the UK are allowed to be Bishops, maybe even the Archbishop of Kenterbury. Muslim women are not even allowed to enter a mosque.

Given this, who is more likely to commit an abusive crime towards women – a Christian or a Muslim?
Having said that, obviously things to be investigated on a case by case basis.
 
Vixen said:
Well, peeps, are we any closer to NAMING the key demographic in the grooming gangs scandal?

Clue:

British-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it'​

Co-author of Quilliam’s report urges frank discussion on abuse because ‘problem won’t go away’​

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Vixen said:
Note for USA readers: 'Asian' here refers specifically to British-Pakistani gangs, not Chinese or Indian.

Until the perps are called out we are going to keep pretending it is all perfectly OK.
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Vixen said:
The organisation, which usually focuses on counter-extremism, said it found 222 of 264, or 84 per cent, of people convicted of specific grooming-gang crimes in the UK since 2005 were Asian.

The report’s co-author, Haras Rafiq, is from Rochdale, where 19 British-Pakistani men were jailed between 2012 and 2015 after a grooming ring thought to have abused at least 47 girls was uncovered.

Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...se-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html
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You are fully aware of the fact that the 84% is the percentage of Asians convicted within the context of grooming gangs?

So, to be clear, that is NOT 84% of cases of CSE nationally.

Haras Rafiq says:
“British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators."

It is right to restate here The Guardian's article on the Home Office report that states that:

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men.

The article specifically mentions Nazir Afzal:
Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor in the north-west, who brought prosecutions over the Rochdale grooming gangs, welcomed the report. “It confirms that white men remain the most common offenders, which is something rarely mentioned by right wing commentators,” he said.

“However, it is not shy in reflecting that south Asian and British Pakistani men are disproportionately found in high-profile cases."

(My emphasis).
 
Poem said:
I'm not entirely clear what you are saying. Demographic information is useful.

I think the issue in the UK is that immigration is out of control. Some are concerned that we have imported a problem.
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No it isn't. This is a lie promulgated by right-wing scum like Mushie, Pearson, Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and their ilk. It was used by certain politicians to attempt to persuade the dumber and more ignorant to support them.
 
Stout said:
Looks like the coverup is still going strong.

notthebee.com

Police ask British victim of Pakistani rapist to take down posts warning people about child abuse crisis (yes, this actually happened)

The scandal surrounding the UK government's refusal to acknowledge or look into longstanding allegations of grooming, rape, and other crimes committed by largely Muslim gangs has only continued to grow, with calls coming from citizens, politicians, and celebrities alike for parliament to launch...
notthebee.com notthebee.com
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Do you have a reliable source to support that assertion?
 
rdwight said:
Mainly that most of the posting on this topic is a joke. A chart that cuts off the qualifying information. Complaints of additional inquiry being unnecessary while complaining the last ones suggestions haven't even been implemented yet. Pointing out this was news years ago as if the underlying problem has been addressed, solved and moved on from.

I mean, the IICSA took 7 years to compile 20 suggestions, of which 5? have partially or fully been implemented in the 2 years since. In any other instance, renewed interest would be a good thing. Renews pressure on legislators to get things done etc. What is the main complaint about this that i am not getting?
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So no, you have no point, just more Mushie-esque distractions and Gish-galloping.
:rolleyes:
 
Poem said:
By any measure, a former chief prosecutor of the CPS saying on Radio 4's 'PM' programme:

"You may not know this, but back in 2008 the Home Office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying 'as far as these young girls who are being exploited in their towns and cities we believe they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it's not for you police officers to get involved in".

...is awkward. I will say, though, it does not justify anyone affirming such as truth; the rest of the BBC article must be included in any such speculations.
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Sweet effing jeebus.
One idiot says something, that he later admitted was untrue, and the useful idiots jump on it to support their racist, xenophobic bigotry. Why are you repeating this lie? What is your agenda?
 
Vixen said:
That is not the topic. CSE covers all types. This topic is about the specific grooming gangs which do not fall under the usual category of dirty 'Uncle' Ezekiel peeping through windows or flashing in his filthy old mac.

Nor are we discussing immigration, racism or CRT.

For some reason posters prefer to believe that the perps are gangs of Anglican and Roman Catholic priests roaming the streets.
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Oh look when your nonsense is exposed you squirm and attempt to distract.....
:rolleyes:
 
aniri said:
I believe you guys know very well that this is true but some kind of „political corretness“, „tribe mentatlity“, peer pressure – or whatever you want to cal it – make you state otherwise.

  • The attitude towards women is very different in modern Christianity and modern Islam. I only mean modern times (no matter what the historical sources are). Christian women in the UK are allowed to be Bishops, maybe even the Archbishop of Kenterbury. Muslim women are not even allowed to enter a mosque.

Given this, who is more likely to commit an abusive crime towards women – a Christian or a Muslim?
Having said that, obviously things to be investigated on a case by case basis.
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No we "know" no such thing as the whole thing is easily determined to be utter nonsense.
 
Vixen said:
Well, peeps, are we any closer to NAMING the key demographic in the grooming gangs scandal?

Clue:



Note for USA readers: 'Asian' here refers specifically to British-Pakistani gangs, not Chinese or Indian.

Until the perps are called out we are going to keep pretending it is all perfectly OK.
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:) Oh look Vixen's spewing out-dated, debunked, right-wing lies. Again.

The (alleged) study by the Quilliam Foundation dates back to 2017 and was debunked years ago. But that fact won't stop you from lying, as usual.

To save you the effort here is a piece from 2020 from ICL (a far less dubious source than the Quilliam Foundation).
This week marks a watershed moment in a decade of discussion of “grooming gangs”: a much-anticipated Home Office report has concluded that there is no credible evidence that any one ethnic group is over-represented in cases of child sexual exploitation.

For many in Britain today the term “grooming gang” immediately suggests Pakistani-heritage Muslim men abusing white girls, but the Home Office researchers now tell us that “research has found that group-based offenders are most commonly White”.

A powerful modern racial myth has been exploded. What started as a far-right trope had migrated into the mainstream, meeting little resistance along the way. In 2011, the Times and its chief investigative reporter, Andrew Norfolk, claimed to have uncovered a new ethnic crime threat, shrouded until then in a supposed “conspiracy of silence”.

The racial stereotype gained credence when the Quilliam Foundation, a controversial “counter-extremism” group, claimed that 84% of “grooming gang offenders” were Asian.

The “grooming gangs” narrative fed into the agenda of the far right, but it was not only there that the issue was racialised: the Labour MP Sarah Champion, for one, wrote a now notorious article in the Sun in 2017, for which she resigned as shadow equalities minister.

The two-year study by the Home Office makes very clear that there are no grounds for asserting that Muslim or Pakistani-heritage men are disproportionately engaged in such crimes, and, citing our research, it confirmed the unreliability of the Quilliam claim.
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So @Vixen, why are you spewing these viscous, right-wing, lies?
 
aniri said:
  • The attitude towards women is very different in modern Christianity and modern Islam. I only mean modern times (no matter what the historical sources are). Christian women in the UK are allowed to be Bishops, maybe even the Archbishop of Kenterbury. Muslim women are not even allowed to enter a mosque.
Given this, who is more likely to commit an abusive crime towards women – a Christian or a Muslim?
Having said that, obviously things to be investigated on a case by case basis.
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> No we "know" no such thing as the whole thing is easily determined to be utter nonsense.


Why is it nonsense? Do women enter mosques on a regular basis?
 
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