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UK Rape Gangs

"other Protestant churches" basically means "tens of thousands of independent communities with a wide range of practices and rules".
Not in the UK, which is what we're talking about. We don't have the same proliferation of denominations as in the US. Regardless, it's irrelevant to the point at hand.
 
Thank you for concurring that despite fine rhetoric, the government hasn't taken the issue of violence against girls and women seriously. A culture in which it was deemed normal for Police Office Wayne Couzens to wiggle his willy around in front of women in McDonalds, and whose nickname in the police was 'The Rapist', to just carry on...until the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard. Even then, it was the women who held a vigil who were attacked and dispersed by the Met.
Whist I disagree with you that the root of this problem is Pakistani / Muslim one, it is true that the UK (and other countries too) has a massive problem with VAWG (as I posted on earlier). As Vera Baird (former Victims' Commissioner) stated on the 21st July 2021:

“Last year, I warned that we were witnessing the effective decriminalisation of rape. Nothing in the past year has swayed me from that perspective. The uncomfortable truth is that if you are raped in Britain today, your chances of seeing justice are slim.”
 
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Why is it inflammatory to factually describe the key rape gang demographic?
Why not state the totality of facts - that most child sex abusers are white (reflecting the fact that about 75-80% of Brits are white) and there is no clear evidence that there is an overrepresentation of Pakistanis? Why don't you do so in your next response?

Limiting the discussion to grooming gangs (where there IS an overrepresentation) distorts reality.
 
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On the other side of the coin - according to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, imams from countries that practise Sharia Law say that women should stay out of sight and should cover themselves up otherwise the expectation is that men will behave like animals.

 
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has completely sold out to hard right think tanks. She hasn't said anything that doesn't promote a far-right xenophobic agenda in a very long time.
 
The awful truth is that some men have decided that women are fair game.
 
A simple google search would tell you that Muslim men are required to attend Friday prayers, but women may pray at home instead (but are fully permitted to pray at the mosque).
That's even worse then. Women themselves choose not to go to there and effectively to stay segregated from men. Pathetic.

In any case, that's not the point here.
 
Source or actual argument?

She is no feminist, just a fanatical convert with a huge axe to grind.
Pity, if she had focused more on doing good than on looking out for no.1, she might have been doing actual good in the world instead of promoting hate and violence against all Muslims.
 
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Why not state the totality of facts - that most child sex abusers are white (reflecting the fact that about 75-80% of Brits are white) and there is no clear evidence that there is an overrepresentation of Pakistanis? Why don't you do so in your next response?

Limiting the discussion to grooming gangs (where there IS an overrepresentation) distorts reality.
Isn't the clear difference in the acceptance of such abuse? Child sexual exploitation by White offenders was not covered up / excused by the relevant authorities. And in White communites child sexual exploitation is shameful, reputational-ending conduct. But this obviously was not true for Pakistani groomers or their community. The police were clearly aware of the abuse but excused it because their victims were White. And their community seemed okay with it, too. Imagine, your brother or cousin calls you up and says he's got an intoxcated young woman, would you like to rape her? That should shock you. But to these Pakistanis that's all good. No wonder they made up the vast majority of those prosecuted.
 
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Isn't the clear difference in the acceptance of such abuse? Child sexual exploitation by White offenders was not covered up / excused by the relevant authorities.
Yes, this is precisely the point. The attitude.

(Some) minorities are treated like children or pets, who are to be admired, protected and excused, and who are kind of allowed to get away with something the adults would not.

I actually find this attitude extremely patronizing.
 
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Isn't the clear difference in the acceptance of such abuse? Child sexual exploitation by White offenders was not covered up / excused by the relevant authorities. And in White communites child sexual exploitation is shameful, reputational-ending conduct. But this obviously was not true for Pakistani groomers or their community. The police were clearly aware of the abuse but excused it because their victims were White. And their community seemed okay with it, too. Imagine, your brother or cousin calls you up and says he's got an intoxcated young woman, would you like to rape her? That should shock you. But to these Pakistanis that's all good. No wonder they made up the vast majority of those prosecuted.
Start here: https://internationalskeptics.com/forums/index.php?threads/archbishop-of-canterbury-resigns.372868/


Once you've read those I'll supply you with more cases of white abusers being covered up by institutions.
 
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Just to re-inforce what some of us have said:


I worked in one of the Leicestershire community CAMHS teams in the late '90s and we were still dealing with fallout from the Beck years in somany different ways.

Beck, of course, leads us to Greville Janner - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35961711 - and the controversy around his links to Beck.

Jay Rayner (better known these days as a food writer) has written movingly about his time as a junior reporter in Leicester and his involvement in covering some of the Beck scandal.

I don't know how well known the Medomsley Detention Centre abuse is outside the North East, so here you go - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medomsley_Detention_Centre

And Ampleforth was one of the leading RCC schools in the country, attached to a priory - https://www.theguardian.com/educati...serious-abuse-against-pupils-in-last-10-years
 
Isn't the clear difference in the acceptance of such abuse? Child sexual exploitation by White offenders was not covered up / excused by the relevant authorities. And in White communites child sexual exploitation is shameful, reputational-ending conduct. But this obviously was not true for Pakistani groomers or their community. The police were clearly aware of the abuse but excused it because their victims were White. And their community seemed okay with it, too.
Imagine, your brother or cousin calls you up and says he's got an intoxcated young woman, would you like to rape her? That should shock yo.But to these Pakistanis that's all good. No wonder they made up the vast majority of those prosecuted.
Just watched a moving interview with her so thought I’d drop it in here:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/19/europe/pelicot-rape-trial-france-verdict-intl/index.html

Pelicot mass rape trial ends with 51 guilty verdicts - and fears justice hasn’t been served


Seems like white French people act the same way as Pakistanis given the chance.
 
Just watched a moving interview with her so thought I’d drop it in here:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/19/europe/pelicot-rape-trial-france-verdict-intl/index.html

Pelicot mass rape trial ends with 51 guilty verdicts - and fears justice hasn’t been served


Seems like white French people act the same way as Pakistanis given the chance.
'Whataboutism' is a form of 'tu quoque' logical fallacy. If the topic is specifically about 'UK rape gangs', it's not helpful to be told, 'What about the French?'
 
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Dear me, the quality of the UK Opposition leader. I thought they were supposed to be well-educated? Tory leader Kemi Badenoch has stated out loud:

Kemi Badenoch has said “peasants” from “sub-communities” in some countries are the ones in grooming and rape gangs

I never knew we still had peasants in the UK. Also:

She said the perpetrators came from “a very poor background, a sort of peasant background, very, very rural, almost cut off from even the home-origin countries that they might have been in”.
“They’re not necessarily first-generation. The jobs that they were doing, taxi drivers, jobs which allowed them to exhibit this predatory behaviour.”
GUARDIAN

So now Rotherham, Rochdale, Oldham, and Telford are 'very, very, rural' and the taxi drivers are all a bunch of 'peasants'.

What an extraordinarily ignorant person. Perhaps it's her bowdlerised view of what she believes the average British snob thinks.

No wonder the country is in a mess.
 
'Whataboutism' is a form of 'tu quoque' logical fallacy. If the topic is specifically about 'UK rape gangs', it's not helpful to be told, 'What about the French?'
As usual you are wrong, I was pointing out the claim about "Pakistanis" or as I think all of them were, British citizens that Trausti made holds for non-Pakistani people as well. The commonality is not ethnicity it is sadly sex.
 
Dear me, the quality of the UK Opposition leader. I thought they were supposed to be well-educated? Tory leader Kemi Badenoch has stated out loud:



I never knew we still had peasants in the UK. Also:



GUARDIAN

So now Rotherham, Rochdale, Oldham, and Telford are 'very, very, rural' and the taxi drivers are all a bunch of 'peasants'.

What an extraordinarily ignorant person. Perhaps it's her bowdlerised view of what she believes the average British snob thinks.

No wonder the country is in a mess.
As usual you are wrong, she was saying these people came from such communities back in Pakistan and other countries.
 
As usual you are wrong, I was pointing out the claim about "Pakistanis" or as I think all of them were, British citizens that Trausti made holds for non-Pakistani people as well. The commonality is not ethnicity it is sadly sex.

I would go so far to argue the key variable is a cultural one: that of macho control and utter contempt for the female sex. Should an inquiry into the perpetrators of the rape gangs find such a common variable in a significant portion of these gangs then a working party can theoretically be put together to address the issue. Until then, it won't go away and the assumption will continue it is all random, and no different from any other forms of child sex abuse. In the case of boys, latent homosexuality disguised as homophobia, so these, too, are violently targetted.
 
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As usual you are wrong, she was saying these people came from such communities back in Pakistan and other countries.

Pakistani-Brits have been here since 1948. It is a common misconception 'they are all asylum seekers and should be/could be deported', although ones with dual nationality have been stripped of their UK nationality on leaving prison. But Pakistan refuses to take them.

Incidentally, the huge numbers that arrived from Bengal and the Indian subcontinent were not peasants, they were largely experienced workers who filled a large number of manufacturing vacancies - especially around Yorkshire and the West Midlands, in post-war Britain. They have local accents. For heavens sake.
 
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Pakistani-Brits have been here since 1948...
Some have, others came in later waves. You don't like Badenoch's choice of the word "peasant", fine, but they did come from very poor rural communities to work in the UK weaving trade. And it appears the point she was arguing is that they have retained their separate culture instead of integrating, which appears to be the same point you're arguing, is it not?
 
Jack_by_the Hedge said (see above)
Some have, others came in later waves. You don't like Badenoch's choice of the word "peasant", fine, but they did come from very poor rural communities to work in the UK weaving trade. And it appears the point she was arguing is that they have retained their separate culture instead of integrating, which appears to be the same point you're arguing, is it not?

It's very silly to talk about this demographic as though it has just arrived.

it was following the Second World War and the break-up of the British Empire and the independence of Pakistan that Pakistani immigration to the United Kingdom increased, especially during the 1950s and 1960s. This was made easier as Pakistan was a member of the Commonwealth.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis#cite_note-The_Independent2-10"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Pakistani immigrants helped to solve labour shortages in the British steel, textile and engineering industries. The National Health Service (NHS) recruited doctors from Pakistan in the 1960s.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis#cite_note-11"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>
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As Commonwealth citizens, they were eligible for most British civic rights. They found employment in the textile industries of Lancashire and Yorkshire, manufacturing in the West Midlands and the car production and food processing industries of Luton and Slough. It was common for Pakistani employees to work on night shifts and other less desirable hours.

The majority of British Pakistanis are Muslim; around 93% of those living in England and Wales at the time of the 2021 Census stated their religion was Islam..

Trying to make out the rape gangs - a tiny criminal minority - is due to being primitive peasants is pure dog whistle racism by Badenoch as she thinks that is what appeals to people.

Let's quit the misinformation and look unflinchingly at the issue.
 
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... Trying to make out the rape gangs - a tiny criminal minority - is due to being primitive peasants is pure dog whistle racism
Whereas you're trying to make out that rape gang behaviour is due to something other than rural poverty, presumably something which couldn't be mistaken for racism I suppose.
 
Whereas you're trying to make out that rape gang behaviour is due to something other than rural poverty, presumably something which couldn't be mistaken for racism I suppose.
Some cultures are better than others. It has nothing to do with race. Like I'm pretty sure the rural poor of England, Scotland, and Wales never developed a culture of child rape gangs. If they did, it must be the best kept secret in all of UKian history. Meanwhile, we do know of other societies that have developed a culture of child rape. Sometimes without any correlation to rural poverty.
 
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