UK Rape Gangs

[Jack by the hedge]

Do we know that? I'm not sure I could name societies which developed a culture of child rape gangs.

 

[theprestige]

Do we know that? I'm not sure I could name societies which developed a culture of child rape gangs.

Well, we have child rape gangs, so at least one culture should be nameable.

 

[Darat]

Jack_by_the Hedge said (see above)


It's very silly to talk about this demographic as though it has just arrived.


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Trying to make out the rape gangs - a tiny criminal minority - is due to being primitive peasants is pure dog whistle racism by Badenoch as she thinks that is what appeals to people.

Let's quit the misinformation and

look unflinchingly at the issue.

Most of us did - years ago.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Well, we have child rape gangs, so at least one culture should be nameable.

Catholicism?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Yet strangely, to combat the horrible evils of Pakistani child rapists the golden boy of the UK alt right is Andrew Tate, a convicted child rapist and human traffiker.

 

[Andy_Ross]

When was he convicted of either of those?

 

[zooterkin]

Yes, I think 'accused' rather than 'convicted' is correct.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Yes, I think 'accused' rather than 'convicted' is correct.

Fair enough, I thought he was convicted by now, I stand corrected.

 

[zooterkin]

Fair enough, I thought he was convicted by now, I stand corrected.

Andrew Tate released from house arrest after five months

A Romanian court lifts the order that was imposed on the controversial influencer last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Vixen]

Whereas you're trying to make out that rape gang behaviour is due to something other than rural poverty, presumably something which couldn't be mistaken for racism I suppose.

Is it OK to call out the Catholics and the Anglicans who flock to the priesthood for nefarious reasons? Are those clearly identifiable sectors 'racist' to call out? Does it taint all Catholics and Anglicans or does it just provide a useful framework for future safeguarding?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I'm not sure what your point is. Would it be useful to identify people who join the priesthood for nefarious reasons? Sure. Do you think it's a useful step towards that to note they're clearly identifiable as members of their religions? Umm, no, that's not very helpful.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Andrew Tate released from house arrest after five months

A Romanian court lifts the order that was imposed on the controversial influencer last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

He still can't leave Romania though.

 

[Vixen]

Campaigner Maggie Oliver has sent Labour's Yvette Cooper a 'letter before action' demanding immediate implementation of Alexis Jay's 27-point recommendations.. Cooper in the interim has announced a rapid three-month audit of the situation and local investigations, pledging to reopen old cases, if necessary.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879876182419579085

 

[Darat]

Out of curiosity what happened when she did this to the previous Home Secretary?.

 

[catsmate]

"The use of inflammatory language over grooming gangs risks vilifying entire communities and could lead to atrocities such as the mosque massacre in New Zealand that killed more than 50 people, the health secretary has warned."


So now you know why you are not allowed to mention the elephant in the room...or at least, that is Streeting's pathetic rationale for covering up the grooming gangs scandal..

And yet people, generally noisy, ignorant idiots and Mushies, are mentioning the matter......

 

[catsmate]

Elon?

Hmm, perhaps 'What a complete Elon' could be a new term for grandiose idiots who spew bigoted crap?

 

[catsmate]

On the other side of the coin - according to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, imams from countries that practise Sharia Law say that women should stay out of sight and should cover themselves up otherwise the expectation is that men will behave like animals.

Have you a less biased source for that assertion?

 

[catsmate]

Blaming women when men can't control themselves is not something only Moslems do.

No it's a popular stance in the far-right conservative demographic that idolises cretins like Mush and the Tates too.
As Poxy said:

If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent, then I am absolutely a serial rapist.

 

[catsmate]

Source or actual argument?

You could go and look at the demolitions of her "arguments" and the exposures of the numerous lies in her "autobiography".
Start with people like Kiran Grewal, Nathan Lean, Ibrahim Hooper, Adam Yaghi, Rula Jebreal and others.

 

[catsmate]

No, thank you. As a woman, I wouldn't risk.

So you'll continue to pontificate and parrot lies and nonsense in preference to actually looking for yourself?

 

[catsmate]

Perhaps you should stop telling me what I should do? And maybe study other sources too, not only those that fit your picture of the world.

This is truly hilarious. I've visited about sixty countries in my life, lived in eight, met and talked to people from a range of nations, beliefs, cultures and situations. But you refuse to enter a mosque because you've lapped up lies.

 

[catsmate]

GENDER FOCUS: Why Muslim Feminists Aren’t Celebrating Hirsi Ali

After an outcry from students, faculty and civil rights groups in early April, Brandeis University withdrew its invitation to honor notorious Islamophobe Ayaan Hirsi Ali at its 2014 commencement.

fair.org

She is no feminist, just a fanatical convert with a huge axe to grind.
Pity, if she had focused more on doing good than on looking out for no.1, she might have been doing actual good in the world instead of promoting hate and violence against all Muslims.

And the money. Don't forget the money. She grabbed onto the Islamophobic gravy train after 11SEP with both hands.

 

[catsmate]

Isn't the clear difference in the acceptance of such abuse? Child sexual exploitation by White offenders was not covered up / excused by the relevant authorities.

And yet it was and is.

 

[catsmate]

Frank Beck...Medomsley...Ampleforth College...It's a long list.

Anyone remember Kincora?
And dare I mention Donaldson?

 

[catsmate]

'Whataboutism' is a form of 'tu quoque' logical fallacy. If the topic is specifically about 'UK rape gangs', it's not helpful to be told, 'What about the French?'

Deflection.

 

[catsmate]

It would have been difficult for them to get much here earlier, certainly...


Oh, and what do you by mean 'here', exactly? Your displayed location is not in the UK.

Oddly, and a bit OT, the last Pakistani I spoke to here in Ireland (I think) runs a chip shop and had to deal with a man bleeding on his floor recently while wanting to be arrested.
The world is sometime a strange place.

 

[catsmate]

Do we know that? I'm not sure I could name societies which developed a culture of child rape gangs.

Fundie Mormons?

 

[catsmate]

Campaigner Maggie Oliver has sent Labour's Yvette Cooper a 'letter before action' demanding immediate implementation of Alexis Jay's 27-point recommendations.. Cooper in the interim has announced a rapid three-month audit of the situation and local investigations, pledging to reopen old cases, if necessary.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879876182419579085

It would have been nice if she'd done the same to Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps, James Cleverly and their respective Prime Ministers.......

 

[Andy_Ross]

Former Tory MP Andrew Bridgen claims that he knows people flying kids into the UK for abuse. He gave names to the government, but no action was taken.
They use small, unsecured airports apparently, he informed MI5 and the National Crime Agency, but nothing happened.
The kids are used in sex trade for 3 years, then organ harvested.

 

[icerat]

Former Tory MP Andrew Bridgen claims that he knows people flying kids into the UK for abuse. He gave names to the government, but no action was taken.
They use small, unsecured airports apparently, he informed MI5 and the National Crime Agency, but nothing happened.
The kids are used in sex trade for 3 years, then organ harvested.

Sounds like conspiratorial nonsense. Same dude thinks covid vaccines are akin to the holocaust, so not a lot of credibility there I'm afraid.

 

[catsmate]

Embarrassingly for the UK Conservatives, and those Useful Idiots who've jumped on the Mushie bandwagon, the former chair of the child abuse inquiry has described the Conservative response to the recommendations from her inquiry as "awful".

Speaking to the Commons home affairs committee, [Prof Alexis] Jay said the written response to the 20 recommendations – which followed a seven-year inquiry – had been “inconsequential, insubstantial, committed to nothing”.

As PA Media reports, Jay told MPs that while the initial response from home secretary Grant Shapps to the report when first published in October 2022 left her feeling “much encouraged”, that had been “the high point” of the experience with the Conservative government on the issue.

The government’s written response in May 2023 to the report under the next home secretary Suella Braverman was “awful”, Jay said. She said:

It was awful. I cannot tell you how it felt to constantly read the response, when we got the final printed version of the government’s response.

It was inconsequential, insubstantial, committed to nothing. And the wording that was used very often amongst the 20 recommendations was ‘we accept the need for’ whatever it was, but made no specific commitment to delivering it or any timescale whatsoever at that stage.

The reaction of all of us, but mostly victims and survivors, was such huge disappointment and anger at what they had pinned a great deal of hope and anticipation on, that the recommendations we made would be delivered.

Not good news for the idiots bashing Starmer.

 

[Andy_Ross]

30p Lee says of the Scottish rape gang just convicted

Lee Anderson MP

@LeeAndersonMP_

I said import the third world then get third world behaviour.

Not sure whats so difficult to understand. Let me spell it out for you. Disproportionately compared to any other demographic Pakistani rape gangs are responsible and outnumber any group for the systematic rape of young, vulnerable British white girls.

Also the eneral consensus among the Gammons and Reform supporters is their sentence is an example of Starmer's Two Tier justice.

Pakistani rape gangs get light sentences or don't go to trial at all.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It's rather depressing getting these peeks in to that poisonous pit of hate. Imagine living with that level of hatred all the time.

 

[aniri]

This is truly hilarious. I've visited about sixty countries in my life, lived in eight, met and talked to people from a range of nations, beliefs, cultures and situations. But you refuse to enter a mosque because you've lapped up lies.

(1) What does it have to do with the topic?
(2) What makes you think I don't have enough experience in my life?
(3) Would it be possible to talk about the subject without making any ad hominem statements?

 

[catsmate]

(1) What does it have to do with the topic?
(2) What makes you think I don't have enough experience in my life?
(3) Would it be possible to talk about the subject without making any ad hominem statements?

Travel and experience with other cultures tends to broaden one's mind. You should give it a try. Rather than being too scared of new things to even enter a mosque.

And you should learn what 'argumentum ad hominem' actually means before using the term.

 

[aniri]

Travel and experience with other cultures tends to broaden one's mind. You should give it a try. Rather than being too scared of new things to even enter a mosque.

And you should learn what 'argumentum ad hominem' actually means before using the term.

Oh, two new pieces of advice in one short message! Wonderful. Keep going!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Sir Trevor Phillips has described the Government’s approach to grooming gang probes as “utterly shameful” after ministers were accused of watering down plans for local inquiries on the issue.

The former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission said the reason ministers are not pursuing the local reviews in five towns is “obviously political” because of the “demographic of people involved”.

The radio presenter told Times Radio: “I think what the Government is doing on that question is utterly, utterly shameful.

“It’s so obvious they’re not doing this because of the demographic of people involved… largely Pakistani Muslim background, and also in Labour-held seats and councils who would be offended by it.

Government approach to grooming gang inquiries is shameful – Sir Trevor Phillips

He claimed the reason ministers are not pursuing the local reviews in five towns is ‘obviously political’.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Sir Trevor Phillips has described the Government’s approach to grooming gang probes as “utterly shameful” after ministers were accused of watering down plans for local inquiries on the issue.

The former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission said the reason ministers are not pursuing the local reviews in five towns is “obviously political” because of the “demographic of people involved”.

The radio presenter told Times Radio: “I think what the Government is doing on that question is utterly, utterly shameful.

“It’s so obvious they’re not doing this because of the demographic of people involved… largely Pakistani Muslim background, and also in Labour-held seats and councils who would be offended by it.

Government approach to grooming gang inquiries is shameful – Sir Trevor Phillips

He claimed the reason ministers are not pursuing the local reviews in five towns is ‘obviously political’.

www.independent.co.uk

Philips is an idiot and and islamophobe, but he's also a prominent member within nu-nu-Labor's right wing, so the party loves him.

 

[Darat]

Sir Trevor Phillips has described the Government’s approach to grooming gang probes as “utterly shameful” after ministers were accused of watering down plans for local inquiries on the issue.

The former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission said the reason ministers are not pursuing the local reviews in five towns is “obviously political” because of the “
demographic of people involved”.

The radio presenter told Times Radio: “I think what the Government is doing on that question is utterly, utterly shameful.

“It’s so obvious they’re not doing this because of the demographic of people involved… largely Pakistani Muslim background, and also in Labour-held seats and councils who would be offended by it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...phillips-government-inquiry-mps-b2730342.html

Yeah it would be, after all can't have people thinking most are by "white" ethnicities.

 

[smartcooky]

I have been patiently lurking in this thread after the update to Baroness Casey's "National Audit on Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse ('grooming gangs')" was presented to parliament by the Home Secretary, to see if what I suspected would happen, actually did happen. I have to say, I am somewhat disappointed (but not surprised) to find I was right. As soon as the report confirmed what everyone in the centre and on the right already knew, the usual leftie suspects here went radio silent.

I hoped that at least one member would have had the conscience or the courage to post her report. Sadly, no one did, so here it is.
It will not be comfortable reading for some.

Baroness Casey's audit of group-based child sexual exploitation and abuse

The Home Secretary updated the House on the National Audit on Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse ('grooming gangs') carried out by Baroness Casey.

www.gov.uk

The House will be aware that on Friday, 7 men were found guilty of the most horrendous crimes in Rochdale between 2000 and 2006.​

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They were convicted of treating teenage girls as sex slaves – repeatedly raping them in filthy flats, alleyways and warehouses. The perpetrators included taxi drivers and market traders of Pakistani heritage, and it has taken 20 years to bring them to justice.​

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Baroness Casey’s audit examined local level data in 3 police force areas. Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire where high profile cases involving Pakistani-heritage men have long been investigated and reported – and there they found the suspects of group-based child sexual offences were disproportionately likely to be Asian men.​

She also found indications of disproportionality in serious case reviews.​

But even worse...

Worryingly the audit finds that whilst reports of child sexual abuse and exploitation to the police have gone up, the number of child sexual abuse cases identified for protection plans by local children’s services has fallen to its lowest ever level. But no one has been curious as to why​

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And the audit details an abysmal failure to respond to 15 years’ worth of recommendations and warnings about the failings of inter-agency co-operation.​

And why has this happened? Because authorities have been covering it up for years...

But on the key issues of ethnicity that I had asked her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.​

Finally, there this...

The vast majority of people in our British Asian and Pakistani heritage communities continue to be appalled by these terrible crimes and they agree that the criminal minority of sick predators and perpetrators in every community must be dealt with robustly by the criminal law.​

This is the worst aspect (aside from the rapes of course). By covering this up they were damaging the very people they were trying to protect from implication and accusations... the British Asian and Pakistani community. The vast majority of this community are good people, but they rightly feel they have all been tarred with the same brush, when it is in fact well understood by those of us who have been following this issue, that this small minority of Pakistani men who are involved in the rape gang culture come from just a single region in Pakistan... the three Tehsils (~counties) of Azad Kashmir... being Mirpur, Muzaffarabad and Poonch.

This is likely as big a scandal as the Post Office Horizon scandal, and will certainly have a greater number of victims who were directly impacted...

After I asked police forces in January to identify cases involving grooming and child sexual exploitation allegations that had been closed with no further action, more than 800 cases have now been identified for formal review.​

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And I expect that figure to rise above 1,000 in the coming weeks.​

800 to 1000+ cases in just three Police districts. There are 43 Police districts in England and Wales... we could see the victim numbers in the tens of thousands.

There has been a massive cover-up. Councils in Labour-run districts have for years been sweeping the issue under the rug in favour of maintaining community racial harmony with their voters. When victims reported their rapes to Police and told Police their rapists were groups of Pakistani men, they were accused of being child prostitutes, of making false reports (one was even arrested for this). Some of the victims were in turn raped by Police officers! When rape victims tell you who their rapists are BELIEVE THEM!!!

Now, there is going to be a public inquiry. Starmer and his Labour colleagues opposed the idea of a public inquiry into the grooming gangs (they have stated this clearly) but the release of Baroness Casey's update, as well as the outrage of the general public, has dragged them kicking and screaming to the table. If they can ever get the inquiry under way (lots of delay tactics being employed at this time) then the truth is going to come out. It will be an uncomfortable truth, a horrible truth, a very ugly truth, and reputations will end up in tatters. I hope some of the people will be charged and convicted for what they have done.