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UK Rape Gangs

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Was there a policy by CPS/police not to bother investigating these attacks?

Elon Musk claims:

In addition, an ex-police officer, Dionne Miller, claims there was a blanket ban on police investigating the claims of these girls/underage women.

"The British Labour Government ( Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith ) wilfully allowed British children to become prey to Pakistani rape gangs. They issued a BLANKET BAN on investigations."
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Of course, the issue of ethnicity is a highly sensitive one. But is pointing out that non-Muslim gangs are just as bad as the so-called Pakistani ones, evading the issue of social attitudes in the UK towards women, which means not only do the gangs 'get away with it', but also violence towards women and minors in general is not dealt with as firmly as it could be? For example, Sarah Everrett and PC Wayne Couzens; the so-called crossbow killer, who brutally murdered three women, including the sister and mother of his ex-girlfriend, as well as the ex and raping her [allegedly] or the Urfan Sharif chap who was given custody of little 9-year-old Sarah whom he tortured and murdered, despite having been reported for domestic violence and false imprisonment by THREE previous partners, including Sarah's (Polish) mother. Perhaps the issue is UK attitudes towards their female countrymen. The issue is deflected by some as something that is a problem with Muslim men, without seeing the beam in their own eye. Or perhaps it is a bigger problem with the Muslim community because of their cultural belief of women being the property of men and Brits are expected to 'respect' that culture? Or is the culture divide just an illusion?
 
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You're just amplifying right wing nonsense.

If I see it again, I'll share it, but I saw a table ostensibly of government statistics showing that most rapes where action was taken (I forget the exact phrase, or what it meant precisely) by the authorities were committed by white males, and at a higher rate than their percentage of the population. Other ethnic groups committed rape at a slightly lower percentage.

As to government inquiries, there have been several into recent cases, under the previous government. It's not clear to me that there's anything extra to be learnt from the Oldham case that hasn't already been covered (even if the recommendations are yet to be implemented).
 
I recall reading recently that rapes where the attackers were identified (date rapes, acquaintances, etc) were white males in larger proportion. In attacks by a lone stranger, it was more representative to the population. In gang attacks by strangers, white males were less prevalent, with a caveat that college campuses had a higher than average group white male attacker rate.
 
Thermal said:
I recall reading recently that rapes where the attackers were identified (date rapes, acquaintances, etc) were white males in larger proportion. In attacks by a lone stranger, it was more representative to the population. In gang attacks by strangers, white males were less prevalent, with a caveat that college campuses had a higher than average group white male attacker rate.
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I assume you're talking about the US. I don't recall seeing similar figures for the UK.
 
What you are both missing - aside from the US/UK thing - is the figures that show 'gang rape' of minors or young people, who might not be legally minors now but were at the start of the 'grooming', shows the largest group of perpetrators to be family members and extended family (incest-type stuff, being easily accessible to the adult perps) at circa 27% of all cases, and 'Asian' groom gangs [stranger grooming] is 21%, IIRC (presumably the rest are sundry isolated groups of individuals, such as boy scouts, nursery or church groups, etc.) - sorry, I cannot find the reference ATM which I was reading only a short while earlier. The other thing is the length of time it has been allowed to continue: over 40 years in one area, with the treatment being deemed a ' lifestyle choice' by the victims.

This could be to do with the police and the CPS not taking violence against women and minors across all sectors seriously, despite fine words from the politicians.

Yes, the far right has hijacked the issue for their own hateful and disgusting agenda but that doesn't mean they should be the only people allowed to express concern about it. Perhaps there should be a Public Inquiry.
 
Vixen said:
What you are both missing - aside from the US/UK thing - is the figures that show 'gang rape' of minors or young people, who might not be legally minors now but were at the start of the 'grooming', shows the largest group of perpetrators to be family members and extended family (incest-type stuff, being easily accessible to the adult perps) at circa 27% of all cases, and 'Asian' groom gangs [stranger grooming] is 21%, IIRC (presumably the rest are sundry isolated groups of individuals, such as boy scouts, nursery or church groups, etc.) - sorry, I cannot find the reference ATM which I was reading only a short while earlier. The other thing is the length of time it has been allowed to continue: over 40 years in one area, with the treatment being deemed a ' lifestyle choice' by the victims.

This could be to do with the police and the CPS not taking violence against women and minors across all sectors seriously, despite fine words from the politicians.

Yes, the far right has hijacked the issue for their own hateful and disgusting agenda but that doesn't mean they should be the only people allowed to express concern about it. Perhaps there should be a Public Inquiry.
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Perhaps you should have led with those figures, rather than just asking questions about Muslims. Have you got a link?
 
This is the problem with multiculturalism. What happens when there are two opposing cultural norms? The UK, for a while at least, opted to excuse a foreign cultural norm of sexually abusing non-muslim girls instead of ensuring its own norm of protecting them.

GgnjgI-WAAAfY5R


https://www.thefp.com/p/muslim-grooming-gangs-cover-up-keir-starmer-elon-musk
 
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What about the gangs which are white men, nominally Christian? Is that also a failing of multiculturalism? Allowing the wrong type of Christians into the country?
 
Darat said:
What about the gangs which are white men, nominally Christian? Is that also a failing of multiculturalism? Allowing the wrong type of Christians into the country?
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Can you find any reports/articles where the authorities ignored young girls being sexually abused by these White offenders?
 
zooterkin said:
If I see it again, I'll share it, but I saw a table ostensibly of government statistics showing that most rapes where action was taken (I forget the exact phrase, or what it meant precisely) by the authorities were committed by white males, and at a higher rate than their percentage of the population. Other ethnic groups committed rape at a slightly lower percentage.
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I think this can be read as implying that the authorities were more likely to take action when the accused was a white male than when the accused was a member of another ethnic group. The conspiracy theory is that the authorities turned a blind eye to these Asian rape gangs out of political correctness (or whatever you call it). Then, naturally, the statistics would also show that white males are more likely to commit rape, because the authorities were more interested prosecuting those cases. (Mind you, I don't believe this, but it seems to be the theory that Musk is promoting.)
 
Puppycow said:
I think this can be read as implying that the authorities were more likely to take action when the accused was a white male than when the accused was a member of another ethnic group. The conspiracy theory is that the authorities turned a blind eye to these Asian rape gangs out of political correctness (or whatever you call it). Then, naturally, the statistics would also show that white males are more likely to commit rape, because the authorities were more interested prosecuting those cases. (Mind you, I don't believe this, but it seems to be the theory that Musk is promoting.)
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Well . . .

Confidential police reports and intelligence files that reveal a hidden truth about the sale and extensive use of English children for sex are exposed today.

They show that for more than a decade organised groups of men were able to groom, pimp and traffic girls across the country with virtual impunity. Offenders were identified to police but not prosecuted.

A child welfare expert, speaking under condition of anonymity, said that agencies’ reluctance to tackle such street-grooming networks was “the biggest child protection scandal of our time”.

The Times has published several articles about a pattern of crimes across northern England and the Midlands involving groups of men, largely of Pakistani heritage, and the sexual abuse of white girls aged from 12 to 16.

We can now reveal evidence from more than 200 restricted-access documents, which show that, in one area, police and child protection agencies have held extensive knowledge of this crime model for ten years, yet have never publicly acknowledged its existence.
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A 13-year-old girl was found at 3am with disrupted clothing in a house with a large group of Asian men who had fed her vodka. A neighbour reported the girl’s screams. Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men;
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Police files reveal vast child protection scandal
 
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Trausti said:
This is the problem with multiculturalism. What happens when there are two opposing cultural norms? The UK, for a while at least, opted to excuse a foreign cultural norm of sexually abusing non-muslim girls instead of ensuring its own norm of protecting them.

GgnjgI-WAAAfY5R


https://www.thefp.com/p/muslim-grooming-gangs-cover-up-keir-starmer-elon-musk
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I wouldn't say it was 'opposing cultural norms' as Islam comes from the same Abrahamic tradition as Judaism and Christianity: all strongly patriarchal, and some would say, even misogynistic. As for 'multiculturalism' this topic isn't about that. In any case, the Pakistani demographic in the UK is there because they are or were British citizens as per the relevant Nationality Act as of the time they arrived in large numbers, after the partition of India post-1948. That is not the issue, either, plus they cannot be deported and that is also not a relevant 'solution'.
 
Puppycow said:
I think this can be read as implying that the authorities were more likely to take action when the accused was a white male than when the accused was a member of another ethnic group. The conspiracy theory is that the authorities turned a blind eye to these Asian rape gangs out of political correctness (or whatever you call it). Then, naturally, the statistics would also show that white males are more likely to commit rape, because the authorities were more interested prosecuting those cases. (Mind you, I don't believe this, but it seems to be the theory that Musk is promoting.)
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It is not a 'conspiracy theory' it is a cold fact that after the largest group of organised gangs of paedophiles, i.e., family groups preying on family members and their associates, the second largest identifiable demographic is indeed Pakistani men, in organised grooming gangs, targetting mostly young non-Muslim females. If you look at sentencing, these organised criminals often received a lesser sentence of 'sex trafficking' rather than 'child rape'. This translates into their young victims being labelled prostitutes. This is the scandal.
 
www.theguardian.com

Former chair of child abuse inquiry says another one would only delay action

Prof Alexis Jay calls for recommendations in 2022 report on child sexual abuse in England and Wales to be implemented
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

There should be no more inquiries into grooming gangs because it would further delay action by government, the former chair of an inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales has said.

Prof Alexis Jay said there had already been a delay of more than two years in implementing her independent inquiry into child sexual abuse report and that “the time has passed for more inquiries”.
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Darat said:
We know all about it because there was an extensive independent public enquiry into it, sadly it's findings was not acted on.
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This so-called inquiry only dealt with child sex abuse in generalised terms. It barely scraped the topic of organised paedophile rings.

But then you knew that.
 
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Darat said:
What about the gangs which are white men, nominally Christian? Is that also a failing of multiculturalism? Allowing the wrong type of Christians into the country?
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Darat, instead of deflecting - like the Labour Party - into whataboutism, please concentrate on the topic of Pakistani grooming gangs. The British/Pakistani demographic makes up 5% of the UK population. Yet the grooming gangs identified as sex grooming gangs makes up 21% of this category. Do the maths.
 
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Vixen said:
Darat, instead of deflecting - like the Labour Party - into whataboutism, please concentrate on the topic of Pakistani grooming gangs. The British/Pakistani demographic makes up 5% of the UK population. Yet the grooming gangs identified as sex grooming gangs makes up 21% of this category. Do the maths.
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Source?
 
Vixen said:
This so-called inquiry only dealt with child sex abuse in generalised terms. It barely scraped the topic of organised paedophile rings.

But then you knew that.
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You've read the report, and the reports it was reviewing?

Perhaps the organised paedophile rings are less significant as a part of the problem of child sexual abuse than you would like to believe, compared with, for example, children in care or exposed to the attentions of Christian ministers.

A.2: The Inquiry’s activities

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), led by Prof. Alexis Jay, is investigating the extent to which institutions in England and Wales failed to protect children from sexual abuse.
www.iicsa.org.uk www.iicsa.org.uk
 
Vixen said:
Darat, instead of deflecting - like the Labour Party - into whataboutism, please concentrate on the topic of Pakistani grooming gangs. The British/Pakistani demographic makes up 5% of the UK population. Yet the grooming gangs identified as sex grooming gangs makes up 21% of this category. Do the maths.
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This Guardian article is worth reading - it is over 4 years old:

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says​

If it is true that the police etc were indeed avoiding prosecuting alleged Muslim gangs for fear of accusations of racism, then of course this would skew the figures of the Home Office report the article mentions.
 
BBC article on the Jay report from 2014:

The scale of this report is simply staggering and some of the detail extremely hard to read. It lays out how Rotherham Council and the police knew about the level of child sexual exploitation in the town, but didn't do anything about it. They either didn't believe what they were being told, played it down, or were too nervous to act. The failures, the report says, are blatant.
 
The Independent re Alexis Jay's IICSA report (2022):
“The failure to collect data on the ethnicity of the perpetrators and victims of child sexual exploitation, and the failure to make a public statement of the reasons why it is important to collect such data, have also led to a one-sided and often uninformed public debate where links have been made between ethnicity and a number of high-profile cases involving South Asian men.

Allowing this debate to continue without providing a proper context allows an accusatory style of debate in the public domain which is both unhelpful and divisive.”
 
Vixen said:
Darat, instead of deflecting - like the Labour Party - into whataboutism,
please concentrate on the topic of Pakistani grooming gangs. The British/Pakistani demographic makes up 5% of the UK population. Yet the grooming gangs identified as sex grooming gangs makes up 21% of this category. Do the maths.
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Vixen, will you please stop excusing gangs of white Christian men that rape children.
 
Vixen said:
Was there a policy by CPS/police not to bother investigating these attacks?

Elon Musk claims:

In addition, an ex-police officer, Dionne Miller, claims there was a blanket ban on police investigating the claims of these girls/underage women.
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Musk doesn't give a damn about "these attacks". That's not why he is tweeting about them.
This is:
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Post in thread 'Musk/Vance's first term'

dudalb said:
now Musk is trying to be a power in the UK as well.
His ego is truly out of control.
His real probelm is he loves publicity too much. If you are trying to pull of beint the power behind the throne, you need to keep a low profile.
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That is not the point. Musk has realized that his and Ramaswamy's defense of H-1B was too much for the MAGA base. MAGA fundamentalists were beginning to question the commitment of the techbros (and even Trump!) to old-fashioned racism, so Musk is now trying to regain their trust.
Crack-Up Capitalism: How Billionaire Elon Musk's Extremism Is...
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