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Resistance Twitter 2.0

Where will the resistance end up posting, mostly?

  • Bluesky

    Votes: 16 72.7%

  • Threads

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Mastodon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (please specify in comments)

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • On Planet X, we resist telepathically

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
A classic litmus test is the Daniel Penny trial.

Search on X and he is a hero, search on Bluesky and he is a villain.

This whole situation is totally unsatisfactory, on that basis both platforms are flawed, so I suggest staying where there is more content to trawl.

Vote for X!
 
Ron Obvious said:
I'm not on social media at all, so it was a genuine question.

I'm rather puzzled about this "right up your alley" projection on your part. I'm not in any camp and I actually detest echo chambers.
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Whatever you say, anyway. Libsoftiktok has been complete bull ◊◊◊◊ since it's inception.
 
Ron Obvious said:
We can argue minutia, but I'd call this a discussion forum (or BBS), whereas social media adds "followers, groups, and lists", feeds that are subscribed to and algorithms that drive content and maximise engagement through approval and outrage. I don't consider that to be the case on a discussion forum.
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It may surprise you to know that this very forum has those features.
 
Ron Obvious said:
I don't see a list of followers, nor do I see suggestions on what I should be reading or endlessly-scrollable newsfeeds.
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To be fair, those features are largely not used, and may in fact have been disabled in this instance, but the old forum had lists of "friends" and groups you could follow. And if you look at What's New above, you'll see the endlessly-scrollable news feed you're not looking for.

Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant. Let's go back to what we were talking about.
 
I don't care what the name on the account is, I care about the content, which is closely referenced. "Without data, you're just another person with an opinion."
 
Rolfe said:
I don't care what the name on the account is, I care about the content, which is closely referenced. "Without data, you're just another person with an opinion."
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I don't see any content there. I see a random nobody with a slide show giving themselves credit with a statement saying "featuring evidence from" and a list of names. The reason the name on the account is important, I assumed this would be common sense but here we are, is that if they have a history of taking "evidence" out of context, or cherrypicking then no matter what they're saying it's pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ useless, isn't it?

That being said, you didn't actually show anything. You said, "Does bluesky got this?" with an ugly graphic. Why should anyone bother to even look at it? I don't have an X account so that's all I'd see is that dumb ass graphic. What are you getting at?
 
I Am The Scum said:
Twitter doesn't allow you to see anything beyond the opening post (including replies voicing disagreement) unless you're logged in. Bluesky lets you see it all.

Oh no, Twitter is the actual echo chamber 🙄
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Yea, that's pretty annoying but I posted a workaround upthread that'll allow you to view all the Twitter you want without logging in. None of this suggested for you stuff and, if you have an adblocker, no ads.

Here's an example.


Whatever you do, don't use that site to search out LibsofBluesky
 
Did she post that thread there too? I expect she did. So the answer to the original question (which was simply a neutral question) is yes. Good.
 
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You're just bragging about Twitter being the echo chamber you like. That's fine if that is your preference, but it is not issue of one being objectively superior to the other.
 
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d4m10n said:
It's a good test case, though. Search "Imane Khelif" both on Bluesky and X to see which platform is more likely to feature views dissenting from the majority consensus.
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This is like saying that a forum full of flat earthers isn't an echo chamber because they're contrary to the consensus.
 
I Am The Scum said:
This is like saying that a forum full of flat earthers isn't an echo chamber because they're contrary to the consensus.
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I have clearly failed to communicate my point clearly.

I meant "which platform is more likely to feature views dissenting from the majority consensus" which has emerged on that platform.
 
d4m10n said:
I have clearly failed to communicate my point clearly.

I meant "which platform is more likely to feature views dissenting from the majority consensus" which has emerged on that platform.
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No, it's not a good test case, because we can do the exact opposite with Twitter. Post "cisgendered" on Twitter and see what happens. I don't know why you think it's a good test case. Each platform blocks the viewpoint of those they don't like, though I haven't seen enough from Bluesky to really know. I do have an account on it, but haven't been doing much social media'ing lately. Bluesky is also in its infancy and will probably have changes coming in the future. The fact is Twitter is no more a bastion of free speech than Bluesky. It's just a bastion of different speech.
 
You know what? I'm actually coming around on the "echo chamber" meme. I still think it's false, but it's fooling the dumbest people. So if you think it's true, then don't let me get in the way of your conclusion. Yup, it's an echo chamber. It's just the worst. Stay away. You would hate it.
 
d4m10n said:
I literally said to search the same search term on both platforms.
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And what did you come up with? What is your point here?
d4m10n said:
Because I've already searched for that phrase on both platforms.
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Same questions apply to this as to the previous.
d4m10n said:
Hitchens' razor applies to this claim.
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You want evidence that Bluesky has as much free speech as Twitter?

Ok, I can do that. In what way would you like it proven? What would you accept as evidence in this case? I just told you how Twitter flags even the term "cisgendered", shadowbans and tags the post. Journalists have been banned from Twitter, it tagged NPR as government funded, and the list goes on. Is that evidence?

Set the terms of what's evidence because I'm saying both platforms are on the same "free speech" level. Why do you think that's not the case? I'm seriously not interested in this petty back and forth bickering. If you have a point to make, just ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ say it. If you want a gotcha moment, feel free to engage someone else. I'm all out of ◊◊◊◊◊ to give.
 
plague311 said:
And what did you come up with? What is your point here?
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That you can tell "which platform is more likely to feature views dissenting from the majority consensus" on that platform by searching out culture war flashpoints such as "Imane Khelif" or "Sarah McBride" on each of them. Maybe give that a try.
 
d4m10n said:
That you can tell "which platform is more likely to feature views dissenting from the majority consensus" on that platform by searching out culture war flashpoints such as "Imane Khelif" or "Sarah McBride" on each of them. Maybe give that a try.
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No, you can't tell. You can maybe tell which platform features views about that specific topic, but not really the entirety of the platform, right? That's what I'm saying. It's not a good test. We gain nothing from it. Because Twitter is less likely to feature views dissenting from the majority consensus on that app. Just like Twitter treats the word cisgender by flagging, shadowbanning, etc. posts that contain that word. We don't gain anything from it.
 
d4m10n said:
Not so far as I can tell, no.
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I'm having difficulty parsing this in response to the part you quoted. You think Twitter does feature views dissenting majority consensus? Because I provided evidence to the contrary while you haven't really provided much either way.
 
It's bad enough that That Thread constantly leaks out all over this forum, now it's supposed to dominate multiple social media platforms?

Reminds me of the Byzantines. For a while they were so obsessed with theology that everybody talked it all the time, in all situations. You couldn't buy a cabbage in Constantinople without the merchant starting a debate on homoousios vs homoiousios. Frankish visitors were themselves Christian but reported being creeped out by how weird the Byzantines were about it.
 
d4m10n said:
It's trivially easy to find pro-Khelif content on Twitter. Here a xeet from just a few minutes ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861862094523552083
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Ok, again, perhaps this individual ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ topic might be different between the two. That's not pro or anti "Free speech". It's trivially easy to find twitter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ with posts that mention cisgender too. Examples of such are in this thread. I mean this in all seriousness, how the ◊◊◊◊ can I explain this in simpler terms?

I don't know if you guys know this ◊◊◊◊ but the topic of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trans isn't the only God damn speech there is in America.

So lets put this one topic aside. What else are you using to rationalize that Twitter is more "free speech" than Bluesky? Here's a whole ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ article about all the ◊◊◊◊ that Musk does that's anti-free speech on Twitter. Let me know when you read through it and have something comparable to that article for Bluesky. If you want more articles, let me know and I can just link you to the google search I did and you can have a hay day.
 
d4m10n said:
Pick any other hot button issue and search it up on both platforms.
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No. That's quite possibly the dumbest method of deciding which one is or isn't an echo chamber I've ever heard. I'm going to award it the trophy for now, actually. Even IF we do that it doesn't say a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ thing about the individual user and how they design their algorithm. People on twitter can have access to all the information in the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ world (in fact, they do since they have to have the internet to get on twitter) but that doesn't mean they read it or even see it. The fact is you, Samson, Rolfe, whoever the ◊◊◊◊ else has absolutely nothing to support your confirmation bias. At all. Not even a little.
d4m10n said:
I was addressing which one is more of an echo chamber; no mention of free speech.
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And you're siding with the platform that forces everyone, whether they follow Musk or not, to view his tweets? That's the one that's less of an echo chamber to you? That's where you ended after your deep research? Cool bro.
 
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