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[Continuation] Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II

Thought that was to scupper other mass transist proposals in a state?
That was an attempt to stop the upgrading of the California rail network to increase high-speed capability and connectivity (adding more lines, stations and connections) as it would hugely dampen the demand for Teslas.
 
Wait… Whut???

Musk having Nvidia chips transferred to X and xAI instead of being stored in a warehouse because the Tesla facility construction project wasn't completed and ready to use them is "musk taking company money and sticking it in his back pocket?"

******* retarded Christ on a cross...
Musk had GPUs that belonged to Tesla (not him) transferred to a company that he owned. He didn't pay anything for the privilege of his company effectively jumping the order queue. It might not have been illegal technically, but it was very shady.

We also have to question the genius management decision of Tesla to take delivery of GPUs it couldn't use.

Damn right Musk took money from Tesla and stuck it in his back pocket.

It's not the first time. He scammed Tesla into buying Solar City thus bailing out him and his cronies who were invested in a failing company.
 

Summary: Musk receives update on Space X whilst playing Diablo IV and shares it with the world...

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Starship spacecraft on October 13, the Elon Musk-led space company came closer to disaster than we knew at the time.

And we only know it now because, while playing the videogame Diablo IV last week, you could hear the billionaire CEO getting briefed on the test flight from an unidentified SpaceX engineer, as pointed out by Reuters reporter Joey Roulette on X-formerly-Twitter.


Musk seemingly shared the three-minute clip to show off his gaming skills — but ended up giving viewers a hair-raising account of what sounds like a near-catastrophe at his space company.

"I want to be really upfront about scary ◊◊◊◊ that happened," the engineer told Musk while he was playing the video game.

"We had a misconfigured stem gas support that didn't have quite the right ramp-up time for bringing up stem pressure, and we were one second away from that tripping and telling the rocket to abort and try to crash into the ground next to the tower," he added.

During the test flight, SpaceX pulled off an incredible feat, catching Starship's gigantic Super Heavy booster using a tower with "chopsticks" arms. But now it sounds like the entire thing almost went up in flames during the booster's descent.

"Wow," Musk says, while pulverizing evil skeletons onscreen. "Yikes." ...snip...
 
Wait… Whut???

Musk having Nvidia chips transferred to X and xAI instead of being stored in a warehouse because the Tesla facility construction project wasn't completed and ready to use them is "musk taking company money and sticking it in his back pocket?"

******* retarded Christ on a cross...
Legally, yes. X is a different legal entity to Tesla.
 
Musk had GPUs that belonged to Tesla (not him) transferred to a company that he owned. He didn't pay anything for the privilege of his company effectively jumping the order queue. It might not have been illegal technically, but it was very shady.

We also have to question the genius management decision of Tesla to take delivery of GPUs it couldn't use.
Tesla and X had both ordered GPUs from Nvidia. The order for Tesla arrived before the factory in Austin was ready to accept them. So instead of storing them in a warehouse, they sent them to X and then used what was supposed to go to X in the Tesla factory when it was ready. Nothing shady about it, unless you can prove Tesla somehow lost money by not having a bunch of useless GPUs setting around taking up space at the Austin plant.

I would have to question the genius of not sending them to X instead of having them sit in a warehouse for several months doing nothing while the factory was being completed.
 
Tesla and X had both ordered GPUs from Nvidia. The order for Tesla arrived before the factory in Austin was ready to accept them. So instead of storing them in a warehouse, they sent them to X and then used what was supposed to go to X in the Tesla factory when it was ready. Nothing shady about it, unless you can prove Tesla somehow lost money by not having a bunch of useless GPUs setting around taking up space at the Austin plant.

I would have to question the genius of not sending them to X instead of having them sit in a warehouse for several months doing nothing while the factory was being completed.

Yeah, you definitely don't want your GPUs to go past their expiry date. Good call.
 
Tesla and X had both ordered GPUs from Nvidia.The order for Tesla arrived before the factory in Austin was ready to accept them. So instead of storing them in a warehouse, they sent them to X and then used what was supposed to go to X in the Tesla factory when it was ready. Nothing shady about it, unless you can prove Tesla somehow lost money by not having a bunch of useless GPUs setting around taking up space at the Austin plant.

I would have to question the genius of not sending them to X instead of having them sit in a warehouse for several months doing nothing while the factory was being completed.
Is there any proof of that?
 
Is there any proof of that?
Yes, in the emails given to CNBC, Musk made the request to divert the Tesla GPUs to X in December. Then the GPU's that were slated for X would be sent to Tesla in January and June.


Drone footage from the Tesla Austin plant shows that the supercomputer cluster room was nowhere near ready for the GPUs at the end of May.
At the 6:00 mark, the cooling towers needed to cool the computer cluster while in operation can be seen and they are nowhere near operational capability.
At the 9:30 mark, the roof section of the Tesla plant that houses the GPUs is still exposed to the elements and does not have insulation and is not sealed off from the weather.
At the 10:50 mark, the mezzanine that houses the computers can be seen unfinished without walls, fireproofing, or any racks to hold the GPUs.


To summarize: the willfully misinformed and uninformed here at the old skeptics forum got there butt plugs in a bind because X received Tesla's GPUs one month before X's GPUs would be sent to Tesla. GPUs that Tesla would not be able to use for several more months.
 
Yeah, you definitely want your GPUs setting around in a warehouse collecting dust for no reason.

I don't care. I was laughing at the idea that someone would be concerned about GPUs sitting around for an extra month. Your own source, and you, are saying Tesla wasn't going to be ready for months, and Tesla received the GPUs that X was supposed to get the following month, but Tesla STILL wouldn't be ready to use them for multiple months after. Right? Do I have that all correct?

The bigger question is, what project manager ordered the GPUs several months before being needed? Right? As you said, who would want the GPUs sitting around collecting dust for no reason? Seems like a pretty simple answer, Tesla.
 
Musk can't legally use the property of Tesla as his own property. It's a public company that is it's own legal entity. This is how he got to be the richest man in world, by taking Tesla public.
Evidence that Tesla had actually purchased the GPUs before they were given to X?
 
I don't care. I was laughing at the idea that someone would be concerned about GPUs sitting around for an extra month. Your own source, and you, are saying Tesla wasn't going to be ready for months, and Tesla received the GPUs that X was supposed to get the following month, but Tesla STILL wouldn't be ready to use them for multiple months after. Right? Do I have that all correct?

The bigger question is, what project manager ordered the GPUs several months before being needed? Right? As you said, who would want the GPUs sitting around collecting dust for no reason? Seems like a pretty simple answer, Tesla.
Probably the same project manager who had Tesla cranking out cars while other major manufacturers were sitting around with their thumbs up their butts during the pandemic.

 
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why they were ordered early is best explained by lead times and uncertainty imo.
 
Tesla and X had both ordered GPUs from Nvidia. The order for Tesla arrived before the factory in Austin was ready to accept them. So instead of storing them in a warehouse, they sent them to X and then used what was supposed to go to X in the Tesla factory when it was ready. Nothing shady about it, unless you can prove Tesla somehow lost money by not having a bunch of useless GPUs setting around taking up space at the Austin plant.

I would have to question the genius of not sending them to X instead of having them sit in a warehouse for several months doing nothing while the factory was being completed.
The GPUs belonged to Tesla, not Elon Musk. The CPUs were in short supply and xAI was able to jump the queue on its order by misappropriating Tesla's GPUs. They paid nothing to Tesla for the privilege.

This is not the first time Musk has scammed Tesla shareholders.
 
The GPUs belonged to Tesla, not Elon Musk. The CPUs were in short supply and xAI was able to jump the queue on its order by misappropriating Tesla's GPUs. They paid nothing to Tesla for the privilege.
Evidence that Tesla had taken ownership of the GPUs prior to them being given to X?
 
Musk had GPUs that belonged to Tesla (not him) transferred to a company that he owned. He didn't pay anything for the privilege of his company effectively jumping the order queue. It might not have been illegal technically, but it was very shady.

We also have to question the genius management decision of Tesla to take delivery of GPUs it couldn't use.

Damn right Musk took money from Tesla and stuck it in his back pocket.

It's not the first time. He scammed Tesla into buying Solar City thus bailing out him and his cronies who were invested in a failing company.
Most of said cronies in the Solar City fraud being his immediate family.
 

Summary: Musk receives update on Space X whilst playing Diablo IV and shares it with the world...
Kind of an aside the "incredible feat" of catching the booster is so incredible that it was demonstrated back in the 90's, the only difference then being that the earlier demonstration was one of a command module landing directly and upright on the launchpad it took off from.

All Galaxy Brain managed to demonstrate on his last test flight was that a) GPS is accurate and b) his command module still can't survive reentry (the hull was burned straight through in places).
 
Kind of an aside the "incredible feat" of catching the booster is so incredible that it was demonstrated back in the 90's, the only difference then being that the earlier demonstration was one of a command module landing directly and upright on the launchpad it took off from.

All Galaxy Brain managed to demonstrate on his last test flight was that a) GPS is accurate and b) his command module still can't survive reentry (the hull was burned straight through in places).
Be fair - it also showed that he can run SpaceX whilst playing a tier 150 pit dungeon in Diablo IV, and that's no mean feat, I'm struggling with a tier 100 playthrough.

Seriously you would hope that his own uploaded video would give people pause for thought - he literally couldn't stop playing a Diablo IV run through whilst he got a status update on SpaceX.
 
Kind of an aside the "incredible feat" of catching the booster is so incredible that it was demonstrated back in the 90's, the only difference then being that the earlier demonstration was one of a command module landing directly and upright on the launchpad it took off from.
Yes but catching the booster using a massive tower and massive arms means you don't have to put extendable legs on it. That may or may not be quite important.

All Galaxy Brain managed to demonstrate on his last test flight was that a) GPS is accurate and b) his command module still can't survive reentry (the hull was burned straight through in places).
His "command module" which is the Dragon capsule works fine but it reenters the atmosphere and lands in a conventional way - it has a heat shield and parachutes.

Starship is his Space Shuttle. It will be much more impressive when he orbits one of those and retrieves it for reuse than anything he's done with the first stage booster. When he's done that, all he needs to do is use it to carry cargo and astronauts and bring them back and it will be just as good as a Space Shuttle from the 1970's.
 
Be fair - it also showed that he can run SpaceX whilst playing a tier 150 pit dungeon in Diablo IV, and that's no mean feat, I'm struggling with a tier 100 playthrough.

Seriously you would hope that his own uploaded video would give people pause for thought - he literally couldn't stop playing a Diablo IV run through whilst he got a status update on SpaceX.

I dunno. We've seen what happens when he does get involved in these companies. Maybe it's better if he sticks to his games.
 
why they were ordered early is best explained by lead times and uncertainty imo.

Bogative's argument was that "Tesla" didn't want the GPUs sitting around collecting dust in a warehouse and that's why they got sent to X. That reason is bull ◊◊◊◊. That was my point. Also, GPUs don't expire, they don't "go bad" sitting in a warehouse for an extra month, which as Bogative clearly laid out, was how long the original cards would sit there before the replacement cards arrived.

Musk's new shiny toy is this "xAI" project (that's a few years behind the curve) and so he used his influence to help his new shiny toy. If Tesla ordered early to avoid lead times and uncertainty then why would they send the cards to X before being certain when the new ones would arrive?
 
full disclosure, i don't care what bogotive is talking about.

i agree that elon musk wanted them at xai instead so he discarded his responsibility to tesla and sent the cards to his other company to suit his personal agenda. why tesla had them ordered before they were needed and were "sitting around" is because of lead times and uncertainty, knowing they'd want them in stock for an upcoming project but didn't have an immediate use for them. not uncommon
 
full disclosure, i don't care what bogotive is talking about.

i agree that elon musk wanted them at xai instead so he discarded his responsibility to tesla and sent the cards to his other company to suit his personal agenda. why tesla had them ordered before they were needed and were "sitting around" is because of lead times and uncertainty, knowing they'd want them in stock for an upcoming project but didn't have an immediate use for them. not uncommon

Ok, not really relevant to the back and forth we were having, but not entirely wrong I suppose.
 
Bogative's argument was that "Tesla" didn't want the GPUs sitting around collecting dust in a warehouse and that's why they got sent to X. That reason is bull ****. That was my point. Also, GPUs don't expire, they don't "go bad" sitting in a warehouse for an extra month, which as Bogative clearly laid out, was how long the original cards would sit there before the replacement cards arrived.
You are completely full of ****.

My argument is that Musk didn't screw Tesla and it's shareholders out of money by diverting GPUs to X.

It doesn't matter if the GPUs set at Tesla for years without being used. What matters is Tesla had GPUs when the Tesla factory was ready for them, whether they were originally allocated for X or Tesla.
 
The problems of going all in one private company. Musk is a serious security risk but there is now no alternative to SpaceX. I can't see him getting a security clearance. Boeing has, in the meantime, methodically destroyed itself with no solution in sight.
 
You are completely full of ****.

My argument is that Musk didn't screw Tesla and it's shareholders out of money by diverting GPUs to X.

It doesn't matter if the GPUs set at Tesla for years without being used. What matters is Tesla had GPUs when the Tesla factory was ready for them, whether they were originally allocated for X or Tesla.
I'll try that line next time I rob a bank. "You had plenty of cash there and I was able spend it all the next day on something I thought was more important."
 
Be fair - it also showed that he can run SpaceX whilst playing a tier 150 pit dungeon in Diablo IV, and that's no mean feat, I'm struggling with a tier 100 playthrough.

Seriously you would hope that his own uploaded video would give people pause for thought - he literally couldn't stop playing a Diablo IV run through whilst he got a status update on SpaceX.
On the "can't stop playing for important meeting" trick SBF pulled that same nonsense shortly before FTX's fraud was discovered.

On his ability to play D4, didn't Galaxy Brain post a "l33t tier" set up a few months ago that turned out to be mostly garbage tier flashy equipment?
 
full disclosure, i don't care what bogotive is talking about.

i agree that elon musk wanted them at xai instead so he discarded his responsibility to tesla and sent the cards to his other company to suit his personal agenda. why tesla had them ordered before they were needed and were "sitting around" is because of lead times and uncertainty, knowing they'd want them in stock for an upcoming project but didn't have an immediate use for them. not uncommon
It's quite uncommon actually, few company bosses will so openly and so brazenly thieve stock from a company they run but don't own to stoxk one they do own but which has no prospect of ever being profitable.
 
i meant the part about ordering stock for upcoming projects you're not immediately able to use due to uncertainty and lead times isn't uncommon
 
If they were both private companies owned by him then what he did is up to him, however Tesla is not his company, this was a clear conflict of interest. Tesla should have got something out of the deal, i.e. a mark-up on the cost, like all good capitalist companies should do for their owners, not to do so was a dereliction of duty by whichever directors allowed it to happen.
 
Actually, the weird looking van looked to me to be the most interesting product. If they can make it work (I'm not optimistic on that) it will be nearly as good as a bus.
We already have some driverless buses making the rounds in downtown Orlando. The buses will later operate in a new planned community near the airport.
 
You are completely full of ****.

My argument is that Musk didn't screw Tesla and it's shareholders out of money by diverting GPUs to X.

Your argument is wrong. The GPUs were an asset owned by Tesla. They were given to xAI in exchange for an equal number of GPUs a month or two later. However, the GPUs were in short supply so Tesla's place in thew order queue was worth something. xAI should have paid for the right to effectively jump the queue.

It doesn't matter if the GPUs set at Tesla for years without being used. What matters is Tesla had GPUs when the Tesla factory was ready for them, whether they were originally allocated for X or Tesla.
What matters is that Musk screwed Tesla shareholders out of money.
 
Just found this YouTube video. The best segment IMO is the one about installing a light bar at the top of your windscreen. It turns out it is illegal to do that, so when Tesla installs it, they cover it with a piece of black tape and don't connect it up but give you some wires and the name of somebody else who can complete the installation.

 
Your argument is wrong. The GPUs were an asset owned by Tesla. They were given to xAI in exchange for an equal number of GPUs a month or two later. However, the GPUs were in short supply so Tesla's place in thew order queue was worth something. xAI should have paid for the right to effectively jump the queue.


What matters is that Musk screwed Tesla shareholders out of money.
i would argue there's no guarantee tesla would even be willing to do that at all if they weren't under the same ownership. gpus are in incredible demand now and even more at that time, the kind of capital project that kind of money is being spent on isn't something that they'd necessarily want to risk and i doubt nvidia would do that alone either.
 
If they were both private companies owned by him then what he did is up to him, however Tesla is not his company, this was a clear conflict of interest. Tesla should have got something out of the deal, i.e. a mark-up on the cost, like all good capitalist companies should do for their owners, not to do so was a dereliction of duty by whichever directors allowed it to happen.
It's a theft. Even if both companies were privately owned, unless there was a clear agreement between the two to share resources on demand the transfer of goods without consideration would still be legally shaky.
 
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