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[Continuation] Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II

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Musk wins the vote. What is happening to the world where there is unquestioning loyalty to people like Musk and Trump. You know already they care for nothing other than themselves and the adulation they demand.
 
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a_unique_person said:
Musk wins the vote. What is happening to the world where there is unquestioning loyalty to people like Musk and Trump. You know already they care for nothing other than themselves and the adulation they demand.
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Well now that he's held the board hostage he'll doubtless come up with the new products Tesla desperately needs.
 
a_unique_person said:
Musk wins the vote.
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I voted against. Both the compensation package and the move to Texas. But it just shows the majority of shareholders still back Musk.

I agree it’s an inordinate amount of money, especially for a company that’s facing challenges going forward. Still, it was a deal made a long time ago and Musk did, in fact, achieve what were very auspicious goals set years ago.

It appears the market liked the vote, at least so far. I was ready to lighten up on some of my shares if the stock dropped to 160, but I hope it continues its upward trend. But I’m much less enthusiastic now than I was a short time ago.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I voted against. Both the compensation package and the move to Texas. But it just shows the majority of shareholders still back Musk.

I agree it’s an inordinate amount of money, especially for a company that’s facing challenges going forward. Still, it was a deal made a long time ago and Musk did, in fact, achieve what were very auspicious goals set years ago.

It appears the market liked the vote, at least so far. I was ready to lighten up on some of my shares if the stock dropped to 160, but I hope it continues its upward trend. But I’m much less enthusiastic now than I was a short time ago.
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If I were you I would sell now. Most of it at least.

"I hope it continues its upward trend."

Is there anything to base that hope on?
 
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Well, there's the fact that "meme-stockers" are known to be willing to pump cash into a stock to inflate or keep it afloat purely for the sake of doing that, completely disconnected with the value of the actual company. Bed Bath and Beyond described this phenomenon in its final filings; its stock was massively inflated on the retail market even as it was diving into bankruptcy and dissolution.
 
Well this should be interesting

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...musk-for-diverting-carmakers-resources-to-xai

Both Tesla and xAI* ordered large quantities of the latest H100 GPUs from Nvidia. Tesla was first in the queue but its order was diverted to xAI. The idea was xAI would "pay" for them by giving Tesla GPUs from its order when it was fulfilled later.

The plaintiffs allege that Musk's actions were to the detriment of Tesla. Also xAI was poaching engineers off Tesla and using Tesla's data without compensation.

The story seems to have broken on Friday, the day after the shareholder vote. I wonder if some of the shareholders are now regretting their vote given that the CEO of Tesla who says that the future of Tesla is in AI is actively involved in a direct competitor in that market and apparently stealing resources of Tesla.

*xAI is a start up created by Elon Musk last year to do AI research.
 
- the GPUs were meant for Tesla's benefit.
- they were given a xAI instead
- xAI is going to use them to Save the World!!!
Therefore, the GPUs will be used for Tesa's benefit.

What's the problem?
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
I voted against. Both the compensation package and the move to Texas. But it just shows the majority of shareholders still back Musk.

I agree it’s an inordinate amount of money, especially for a company that’s facing challenges going forward. Still, it was a deal made a long time ago and Musk did, in fact, achieve what were very auspicious goals set years ago.

It appears the market liked the vote, at least so far. I was ready to lighten up on some of my shares if the stock dropped to 160, but I hope it continues its upward trend. But I’m much less enthusiastic now than I was a short time ago.
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Sell the meme stock before it goes even further south.
 
a_unique_person said:
Cyber**** shipping halted. Windscreen wiper breaks.
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Someone posted a video showing their Cyberflunk's wiper wiggling back and forth at highway speed. For those unaware, since there is a flat transition from the bottom of the windshield to the lid of the forward-trunk, the single enormous wiper on this $100,000 vehicle can't be parked out of the wind the way it can on any other vehicle; instead it is parked pointing straight upwards along the driver-side A-post - where, as mentioned, at a high enough driving speed the wind causes it to shudder.

Tesla responded to this by declaring that the shuddering was the wiper motor intentionally repositioning the wiper by design, in order to "increase aerodynamic efficiency".
 
maybe, it would be the most aerodynamic feature on the, well i hesitate to call it a truck but, truck
 
Checkmite said:
Tesla responded to this by declaring that the shuddering was the wiper motor intentionally repositioning the wiper by design, in order to "increase aerodynamic efficiency".
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These are speed holes. They make the car go faster.
 
at this point , the only reason why Musk insists on being closely involved with his companies is so he can get into the pants of his female employees.
 
Teething problems are to be expected in a new product with several fairly unique features - Steer By Wire, 48V architecture, etc.

But I’m still surprised at the nature of some of these defects, especially trim pieces coming detached, the throttle cover fiasco and software glitches. Much was made of the allegedly extensive testing Tesla did on pre-production prototypes, some of it in rather harsh conditions.

Still, it’s hard to get a handle on the overall failure rate. It seems there are a lot of happy CyberTruck owners out there. But I’ll stipulate the overall impression is a product rushed into production, in spite of the 4 year gap between unveiling and first delivery. I still think the CyberTruck may succeed as a niche vehicle, but these bugs and recalls will certainly give Rivian*, Ford, GM and Stellantis an opportunity to provide and sell more practical EV trucks.

*Rivian just entered into a partnership with VW and got a huge infusion of cash, with more to follow. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
Well known rocket designer and automotive engineer Elon says (refering to Boeing)

"The CEO of an aircraft company should know how to design aircraft, not spreadsheets"
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Teething problems are to be expected in a new product with several fairly unique features - Steer By Wire, 48V architecture, etc.

But I’m still surprised at the nature of some of these defects, especially trim pieces coming detached, the throttle cover fiasco and software glitches. Much was made of the allegedly extensive testing Tesla did on pre-production prototypes, some of it in rather harsh conditions.
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I think they probably concentrated on the new stuff like the steer-by-wire and the 48 volt electrics and forgot about quality control on the mundane stuff.
Still, it’s hard to get a handle on the overall failure rate. It seems there are a lot of happy CyberTruck owners out there. But I’ll stipulate the overall impression is a product rushed into production, in spite of the 4 year gap between unveiling and first delivery.
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It's interesting, but what has been delivered is not what was unveiled four years ago. It's much more expensive and has a shorter range. It's also not built using the "revolutionary" exoskeleton but using a more conventional unibody construction. I think these and the long development time are symptoms of what was unveiled actually being impossible to deliver.

These minor niggles (accepting the safety concern with the accelerator pedal) wouldn't be an issue if Tesla had delivered what it said it would in the time frame Elon Musk promised.
 
jeremyp said:
It's interesting, but what has been delivered is not what was unveiled four years ago. It's much more expensive and has a shorter range.
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I’m sure I’ve posted this before, but as a reminder…

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I remember watching the unveil and thinking if they even come close to hitting that $39,900 price point they’d sell a ton of them. That’s actually below the average new car price in the U.S. and WAY below what most ICE trucks sell for.

As an aside, if that prediction of a 500 mile range had come to fruition, we’d probably own one today. But now quite content with our Toyota Tundra and will revisit the EV truck offerings a year or two down the road.
 
It pisses me off that it's called a truck. That's not a truck. It's an SUV. If you can't fit anything bigger than a bicycle in the vehicle easily then it's definitely not a truck.

I also don't understand why anyone that would be in the market for a truck would give a hot fresh **** what the 0-60 is. It would definitely, DEFINITELY be a niche market because all the construction people I know would laugh their ass off if I asked them, "Would you buy a truck that can't fit 4-2x4s in it, but can go 0-60 in 5 seconds?"

I still don't understand the appeal. The only thing it's good for is impressing other people and getting attention, neither of which would matter to most people I know. It's the least practical vehicle I can think of.
 
plague311 said:
It pisses me off that it's called a truck.
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Seems like an odd thing to be pissed off about.

Trucks or pickups can vary enormously in size and capability. The Ford Ranchero and Chevy El Camino had their niche back in the day. And more recently Subaru had some success with its Brat and Baja, and Jeep’s Gladiator is pretty popular to this date.

So, some folks seem to like “scaled down” trucks. And the CyberTruck is also being criticized for being too large. And its bed is roughly the same size as most crew cab, short bed pickups.

So what’s to be angry about???
 
Fast Eddie B said:
So, some folks seem to like “scaled down” trucks. And the CyberTruck is also being criticized for being too large. And its bed is roughly the same size as most crew cab, short bed pickups.
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2024 Cybertruck bed dimensions: 51 W x 72.92 L

2024 Ford F-150 bed dimensions: 50.6 W x 67.1 L



So what’s to be angry about???
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Elon Musk purchased Twitter and refused to continue censoring democrats' political opposition.
 
plague311 said:
It pisses me off that it's called a truck. That's not a truck. It's an SUV. If you can't fit anything bigger than a bicycle in the vehicle easily then it's definitely not a truck.

I also don't understand why anyone that would be in the market for a truck would give a hot fresh **** what the 0-60 is. It would definitely, DEFINITELY be a niche market because all the construction people I know would laugh their ass off if I asked them, "Would you buy a truck that can't fit 4-2x4s in it, but can go 0-60 in 5 seconds?"

I still don't understand the appeal. The only thing it's good for is impressing other people and getting attention, neither of which would matter to most people I know. It's the least practical vehicle I can think of.
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All trucks are just fashion statements. In sane countries, if you are in the business of hauling building materials around, you don't ue a truck, you use a van like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1vUjaeSvXTn4GCy6

It has vastly more carrying capacity than probably any truck, the convenience of sides that can be lowered and is probably more efficient.

All trucks are basically just penis extensions, pretty much like all sports cars (I say that as an Audi S3 owner).
 
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jeremyp said:
All trucks are just fashion statements. In sane countries, if you are in the business of hauling building materials around, you don't ue a truck, you use a van like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1vUjaeSvXTn4GCy6

It has vastly more carrying capacity than probably any truck, the convenience of sides that can be lowered and is probably more efficient.

All trucks are basically just penis extensions, pretty much like all sports cars (I say that as an Audi S3 owner).
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I partly disagree, a truck "or a pickup", especially a four wheel drive one is a useful piece of machinery if you're a farmer, forestry worker or similar. I see a lot of very beaten up, quite old, pickups doing a decent job around here.

A Cybertruck would likely not be suitable for fulfilling that role.
 
theprestige said:
SUVs are just trucks that have traded cargo capacity and ease of loading for passenger comfort.
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I have a small hatchback car that is technically an SUV.

SUVs have a different standards, and different taxes or write offs depending on location. What they actually perform as, or look like, is not that important.
 
The Don said:
I partly disagree, a truck "or a pickup", especially a four wheel drive one is a useful piece of machinery if you're a farmer, forestry worker or similar. I see a lot of very beaten up, quite old, pickups doing a decent job around here.

A Cybertruck would likely not be suitable for fulfilling that role.
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4wd is great in snow and i like to have the bed available for a variety of things, particularly yard waste. i wouldn’t mind a smaller truck with better gas mileage but they simply don’t make too many of them
 
jeremyp said:
All trucks are just fashion statements. In sane countries, if you are in the business of hauling building materials around, you don't ue a truck, you use a van like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1vUjaeSvXTn4GCy6

It has vastly more carrying capacity than probably any truck, the convenience of sides that can be lowered and is probably more efficient.

All trucks are basically just penis extensions, pretty much like all sports cars (I say that as an Audi S3 owner).
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I see lots of work trucks, and ones like that are very rare (Colorado, USA).

What you do see are lots of pickups. But the catch is that many of the working trucks don't have the standard pickup beds, they have flatbeds or utility beds or beds custom built to fit this or that job.

I think the ease of replacing the bed of the truck is something really is a weakness in the Cyber truck. It'll always be just a general purpose sort of truck, with limited ability to be kitted out for specialized jobs.
 
jeremyp said:
All trucks are just fashion statements...
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I'm just about to head over to the dump/recycling in our Tundra with about 5 large garbage bags*, a large bag of plastic, and a bunch of cardboard boxes and paper to recycle. One could do this in a van, I suppose, but garbage can be pretty leaky/stinky and hauling it in an open bed makes more sense.

In any case, maybe its just me, but I don't feel like I'm doing it just to be fashionable!

*Ours plus helping out a neighbor.
 
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jeremyp said:
All trucks are just fashion statements. In sane countries, if you are in the business of hauling building materials around, you don't ue a truck, you use a van like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1vUjaeSvXTn4GCy6
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In the US a vehicle like that would be unlikely to be based off a van but would rather be based off a truck. Though in the recent remodeling I had done they brought a box truck not a pickup truck.

Flatbed vans are just not available in the US
 
theprestige said:
SUVs are just trucks that have traded cargo capacity and ease of loading for passenger comfort.
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Ok, and? We obviously have different names for them for a reason, right?

Fast Eddie B said:
Seems like an odd thing to be pissed off about.
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Thank you for your feedback. I'll file it away.

Fast Eddie B said:
Trucks or pickups can vary enormously in size and capability.
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No kidding?! Thanks for that! I had no idea.

Fast Eddie B said:
The Ford Ranchero and Chevy El Camino had their niche back in the day.
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How is that working out now? See a lot of them around? No? Guess why.

Fast Eddie B said:
And more recently Subaru had some success with its Brat and Baja, and Jeep’s Gladiator is pretty popular to this date.
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The Jeep Gladiator also has an actual bed to put **** in. I drive a Toyota Tacoma. I obviously get the point of smaller trucks. I use mine all of the ******* time when hauling stuff since I buy storage units. The majority of the cars you listed aren't even being made anymore. There's rumor of a new baja and brat, but neither have been in production for awhile. You're quite literally making my point for me.

Fast Eddie B said:
So, some folks seem to like “scaled down” trucks.
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Considering I'm one of them this isn't news to me at all.

Fast Eddie B said:
And the CyberTruck is also being criticized for being too large. And its bed is roughly the same size as most crew cab, short bed pickups.
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It's not being criticized for being too big because of the bed, is it? How many people are complaining that the cybertruck just has too much internal and bed storage capacity?

Fast Eddie B said:
So what’s to be angry about???
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I already said why, it's an SUV being called a truck.

Bogative said:
2024 Cybertruck bed dimensions: 51 W x 72.92 L

2024 Ford F-150 bed dimensions: 50.6 W x 67.1 L
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I didn't say **** about the size of the bed, did I? Reading comprehension aside, I'll throw you two a bone:

The Cybertruck has the longest bed of the bunch, but the unconventional shape of the truck's sides makes it hard to use. Some of the tie-downs are hard to reach, and the sides are hard to reach over — even for taller folks.
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In non-tech speak, they're **** to use for hauling stuff. I seriously thought that was so clear by what I said, but here we are.

Bogative said:
Elon Musk purchased Twitter and refused to continue censoring democrats' political opposition.
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If this is directed at me, you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't use Twitter so I don't give a rats ass what's on it, who uses it, or what is being censored. I do find it absolutely hilarious that it's worth a fraction (maybe 40-50%) of what it used to be worth all because of Musk's quality leadership.
 
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