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[Continuation] Brexit XII

KDLarsen said:
Northern Ireland will no longer have to automatically follow future EU legislation, as part of an agreement between the DUP and the UK government, that will see the DUP end their boycott of the Northern Ireland assembly. As per usual, this will also see the UK government throw money at Northern Ireland, in this case £3,3 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ower-sharing-restart-northern-island-dup-deal

No word yet from the EU on what their take on this is.
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As ever a Tory PM is willing to openly bribe the DUP with promises it can't keep.
 
KDLarsen;14249842[HILITE said:
]Northern Ireland will no longer have to automatically follow future EU legislation[/HILITE], as part of an agreement between the DUP and the UK government, that will see the DUP end their boycott of the Northern Ireland assembly. As per usual, this will also see the UK government throw money at Northern Ireland, in this case £3,3 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ower-sharing-restart-northern-island-dup-deal

No word yet from the EU on what their take on this is.
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Won't that have a significant effect on the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland if there's a significant risk that Northern Irish goods and produce don't adhere to EU legislation ?

Looks like the "£350m a week" will have to stretch a little further too. :rolleyes:
 
KDLarsen said:
Northern Ireland will no longer have to automatically follow future EU legislation, as part of an agreement between the DUP and the UK government, that will see the DUP end their boycott of the Northern Ireland assembly. As per usual, this will also see the UK government throw money at Northern Ireland, in this case £3,3 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ower-sharing-restart-northern-island-dup-deal

No word yet from the EU on what their take on this is.
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If the NSDUP are right about their side deal with the English government there will be two immediate results 1) the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU is dead and 2) no sane party will return to Stormont because the government of England has signalled that it is not willing to uphold the GFA.
 
The Don said:
Won't that have a significant effect on the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland if there's a significant risk that Northern Irish goods and produce don't adhere to EU legislation ?

Looks like the "£350m a week" will have to stretch a little further too. :rolleyes:
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It means that the UK is in open breach of international law, because the English government has repudiated the GFA.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
If the NSDUP are right about their side deal with the English government there will be two immediate results 1) the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU is dead and 2) no sane party will return to Stormont because the government of England has signalled that it is not willing to uphold the GFA.
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Gulliver Foyle said:
It means that the UK is in open breach of international law, because the English government has repudiated the GFA.
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Or no one will give an arse because NI is still going to follow future EU legislation, it just won't be "automatic", and they'll wait until the Tories are out to see what will really happen.

This is nothing but electioneering from the Tories and the DUP, granted stupid and dangerous electioneering but that's par for the course these days.
 
Darat said:
Or no one will give an arse because NI is still going to follow future EU legislation, it just won't be "automatic", and they'll wait until the Tories are out to see what will really happen.

This is nothing but electioneering from the Tories and the DUP, granted stupid and dangerous electioneering but that's par for the course these days.
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The EU will care very much because allowing the UK to ignore the WA will leave them open to challenges from other countries under MFA rules.

If the announcement tomorrow confirms today's nosing about, expect the EU to have some sharp replies.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The EU will care very much because allowing the UK to ignore the WA will leave them open to challenges from other countries under MFA rules.

If the announcement tomorrow confirms today's nosing about, expect the EU to have some sharp replies.
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But nothing has actually changed. The UK government has not said it will alter or ignore its current agreement with the EU regarding NI.

This is a face saving move for the DUP nothing more, nothing less.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
If that is true then Wee Jeffrey is lying.
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From the BBC live stream:

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Sure we know the spin. Chris Heaton-Harris, the Northern Ireland secretary, said "significant changes" had been made after he’d listened to the DUP’s concerns.

He talked about measures to "secure Northern Ireland’s place in the UK’s internal market" and it’s "place in the union".

But that’s quite far from saying he's actually agreed changes to the fundamental arrangements that have been put in place since Brexit, arrangements which some unionists find so objectionable.

The DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson said the deal would mean "zero checks and zero custom paperwork" for goods going from England, Scotland and Wales into Northern Ireland and remaining there.

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Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar had a good call with UK PM Rishi Sunak today about the restoration of the power-sharing institutions in Northern Ireland.

The pair welcomed the developments overnight, and both leaders said they hoped this paved the way for the early restoration of the Northern Ireland Executive and the Assembly and that North-South ministerial meetings would resume again.

They agreed to keep in touch over the coming period.
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Darat said:
Or no one will give an arse because NI is still going to follow future EU legislation, it just won't be "automatic", and they'll wait until the Tories are out to see what will really happen.

This is nothing but electioneering from the Tories and the DUP, granted stupid and dangerous electioneering but that's par for the course these days.
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This.
 
Donaldson is saying they are making actual changes - so the 5% checks are going to zero. I don't know the Windsor agreement in detail to know if the rest of what he is claiming are actual changes to it. Obviously, the UK can't unilaterally make changes to the Windsor agreement - or rather we can but we'd be in breach.

I'm still of the opinion it is mainly spin and face saving - especially given the Irish Taoiseach's reaction. The DUP popularity took another drubbing when they acted like kids a few weeks back and prevented the assembly to sit, people in NI know who is to blame for the lack of governance so they had to get back to power sharing, they needed a way to be seemingly not backing down from their idiocy.

(I really, really hope this isn't part of plan to have a dispute with the EU to try and shore up Tory votes in this year's GE. Sadly I can well imagine they would make such a plan.)
 
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Darat said:
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(I really, really hope this isn't part of plan to have a dispute with the EU to try and shore up Tory votes in this year's GE. Sadly I can well imagine they would make such a plan.)
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With the Middle East kerfuffle being Rishi's Falklands?
 
Darat said:
From the BBC live stream:
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I wouldn't believe a word out of Leo, he's not much more trustworthy than BoJo, albeit a lot more competent.

The EU's reaction is "we'll take a look at this agreement between the DUP and the UK government when it's revealed and go from there", which is an obvious indication of "we'll wait and see if it's as stupid as Wee Jeffrey is crowing it is before deciding".
 
catsmate said:
Brexit checks ‘price you pay for being a sovereign state again’
UK health minister and ardant Brexiter Andrea Leadsom said UK firms should “adapt” to the change in trade rules after new checks were brought in on food, drink and some agricultural products – suggesting they should not buy goods from Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again
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Makes sense, cut off relations with our closest, largest and wealthiest trading partner. :rolleyes:

Of course the impediments of importing fresh flowers into the UK from a non-EU country probably make those of importing from The Netherlands pale into insignificance. :mad:
 
I'm usually just following this thread and shaking my head quietly to myself but I wonder, "What exactly do UK citizens think about Brexit now?"

So I Googled and found this:

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.
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(The Guardian warns "This article is more than 1 month old". ;) )

Is it possible to undo Brexit?

What the Hell is the future for the UK if things continue as they are?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
I'm usually just following this thread and shaking my head quietly to myself but I wonder, "What exactly do UK citizens think about Brexit now?"

So I Googled and found this:

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll



(The Guardian warns "This article is more than 1 month old". ;) )

Is it possible to undo Brexit?

What the Hell is the future for the UK if things continue as they are?
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No, it is not possible to undo Brexit.

Even if the UK were to join the EU again it would be on much less favourable terms.

It may be also be possible to mitigate some of the worst effects of Brexit by agreeing to follow EU rules but that would still leave the UK in a much worse position because we wouldn't be in a position to make those rules.

The UK economy will continue to grow a a significantly slower rate than before Brexit, our environmental and human rights will be rapidly eroded, the quality of our food will decrease and inequality will soar - pretty much everything the architects of Brexit wanted, the opportunity to get even richer at the expense of the British people.
 
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Perfidious Albion strikes agan:

114. The Government recognises that one of the key concerns for unionists in Northern Ireland within the 2017 UK-EU Joint Report is related to the promotion of the political concept of the ‘all-island economy.’ Whilst access to the EU market has broad support amongst business and consumers, the creation of a new political construct of the ‘all-island economy’ is clearly more divisive in nature and has been rejected by the current Government. The Windsor Framework decisively moved away from this concept, and indeed envisages growing divergence across the international land border, with labelling and market surveillance used to seek to avoid products being placed illegally on the market in Ireland.

115. However, the Government accepts that there are concerns we have not yet gone far enough to decisively remove all the legal ramifications of the acceptance in 2017 by the then UK Government of the need to protect the ‘all-island economy’ in relation to goods. Specifically we agree that it is unacceptable that Ministers still have a legal duty to have regard to protecting the ‘all-island economy.’ This applies to all Statutory Instruments relating to the Windsor Framework and therefore could continue to have a long-term distorting legal effect that detracts from our actual priority to protect Northern Ireland’s place in the UK internal market and customs territory.

116. The Government therefore commits to repealing section 10(1)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. We will legislate separately to ensure this important change comes into effect. This will mean a full and complete repeal of all statutory duties relating to the ‘all-island economy’ that apply to Ministers or competent authorities. We will ensure that statutory guidance issued under the UK Internal Market Act 2020 – as set out in this paper – fully reflects this.
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That's a direct quote from the dirty deal with the NSDUP, by the way.

Every deal you do with every English government will be broken.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Perfidious Albion strikes agan:







That's a direct quote from the dirty deal with the NSDUP, by the way.



Every deal you do with every English government will be broken.
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UK government.

With the government we've had for the last 14 years I do have to agree with you. I wouldn't trust the UK at all.
 
catsmate said:
Brexit checks ‘price you pay for being a sovereign state again’
UK health minister and ardant Brexiter Andrea Leadsom said UK firms should “adapt” to the change in trade rules after new checks were brought in on food, drink and some agricultural products – suggesting they should not buy goods from Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again
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Ghastly woman, and a liar. This is what she said in 2018:
She added that she was confident Britain could continue to trade tariff-free with EU countries after Brexit.

"I genuinely believe on trade with the EU ... there are very strong reasons both financial and for reasons of links we will continue to trade tariff-free."
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Darat said:
UK government.

With the government we've had for the last 14 years I do have to agree with you. I wouldn't trust the UK at all.
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An English government for an English nation, Scots, Welsh and Irish are only there to be used for the needs of London and the Home Counties.

There never has been a trustworthy government in England.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
An English government for an English nation, Scots, Welsh and Irish are only there to be used for the needs of London and the Home Counties.

There never has been a trustworthy government in England.
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It is a UK government - no idea why you think it is an English government.
 
Darat said:
It is a UK government - no idea why you think it is an English government.
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I don't know why anyone would think it's a government for anyone but their donors, the 1% and, to a lesser extent (where their interests align almost by accident) their <200k party members. Admittedly the English voter does seem to have greater difficulty recognising this.
 
GlennB said:
Nah, the Danes. They have excellent bacon.
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They don’t. They have cheap bacon because they keep to the worse possible animal welfare they can get away with. When we banned practices like gestation crates they continued with them for as long as they could. We - that is the British consumer - didn’t want to pay the higher prices better pig welfare required (well that’s what the supermarkets said) so we beyond decimated our own high quality pig farming with its higher welfare costs to import more cheaper bacon from Denmark with its worse i.e. cheaper animal welfare standards.
 
The best bacon around here is Irish bacon from Lidl (yes, Lidl are everywhere!).

Be grateful that Sunak is steadfastly on watch guarding the country and ready to throw his body valiantly in front of the wheels of [imaginary] EU legislation designed to [in theory] force through 'meat tax' and seven bins.
 
catsmate said:
Brexit checks ‘price you pay for being a sovereign state again’
UK health minister and ardant Brexiter Andrea Leadsom said UK firms should “adapt” to the change in trade rules after new checks were brought in on food, drink and some agricultural products – suggesting they should not buy goods from Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again
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A follow up by a YouTuber on this:

Brexit Anniversary Lies Debunked

"Happy anniversary of shooting yourself in the foot day".
 
Second born found a 2nd hand copy of 9 Lessons in Brexit by Ivan Rogers yesterday. A short but scathing book.
She saw it only because I used to carve"STOP BREXIT" in the pumpkins at Halloween, and so pointed out to me.
Book was published in 2019, so it's all a bit in hindsight.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Even if we take as read that the government was obligated to shoot ourselves in the foot, an RPG was a poor choice of firearm for the job.
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If I may notpick, the fuze of an RPG is generally too insensitive to detonate against a mere human. People have survived, if wearing body armour.
 
catsmate said:
If I may notpick, the fuze of an RPG is generally too insensitive to detonate against a mere human. People have survived, if wearing body armour.
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I think the ground under our collective foot would probably do the job if our squishy flesh wasn't up to it.
 
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