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[Continuation] Brexit XII

Mojo said:
20 fl oz to the pint (it's on the measuring jug I use for cooking)
2 pints to the quart
4 quarts to the gallon (hence the name, I suspect) so 8 pints to the gallon

Won't be 70 for a while yet.
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I'm in my mid 50s and know some of the imperial measures:

Ounces - Pints - Gallons
Ounces - Pounds - Stones - Hundredweight - (long) Tons
Inches - Feet - Yards - Chains - Furlongs - Miles

Dry volume measures like bushels and pecks or larger liquid measures like firkins and hogsheads I'm less sure about.

I'm not sure how many of my contemporaries would have learned and retained this information when it wasn't taught at school
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The Don said:
I'm in my mid 50s and know some of the imperial measures:

Ounces - Pints - Gallons
Ounces - Pounds - Stones - Hundredweight - (long) Tons
Inches - Feet - Yards - Chains - Furlongs - Miles

Dry volume measures like bushels and pecks or larger liquid measures like firkins and hogsheads I'm less sure about.

I'm not sure how many of my contemporaries would have learned and retained this information when it wasn't taught at school
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You are of the generation that were taught both, it was apparently the case from about 1970 to 1980 they taught both. After that it was only metric. I remember my maths O level had questions using miles as well as kms.
 
Darat said:
You are of the generation that were taught both, it was apparently the case from about 1970 to 1980 they taught both. After that it was only metric. I remember my maths O level had questions using miles as well as kms.
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I'm 52 & other than feet/inches & stone/lb for people, miles for driving & pints for drinking I don't really have a clue about Imperial.
 
Darat said:
You are of the generation that were taught both, it was apparently the case from about 1970 to 1980 they taught both. After that it was only metric. I remember my maths O level had questions using miles as well as kms.
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Don't forget the fun ones:

100 links in a chain.

10 chains in a furlong.

8 furlongs in a mile.

3 barleycorns in an inch.

40 rods (or poles) in a furlong.

3 miles in a league.

9,127 snorts in a hogshead.
 
Darat said:
You are of the generation that were taught both, it was apparently the case from about 1970 to 1980 they taught both. After that it was only metric. I remember my maths O level had questions using miles as well as kms.
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We had a year sometime in the early 70s when we worked through a maths workbook in imperial units one term and then had exactly the same exercises in metric units the following term (I could remember the first lot so found it a bit tedious the second time), but I don't remember imperial units after that.

A couple of years later I was in the last year at our school to be taught to use a slide rule.
 
novaphile said:
Don't forget the fun ones:

100 links in a chain.
10 chains in a furlong.8 furlongs in a mile.
3 barleycorns in an inch.
40 rods (or poles) in a furlong.
3 miles in a league.
9,127 snorts in a hogshead.
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A chain being the length of a cricket pitch ;)
 
Mojo said:
20 fl oz to the pint (it's on the measuring jug I use for cooking)
2 pints to the quart
4 quarts to the gallon (hence the name, I suspect) so 8 pints to the gallon

Won't be 70 for a while yet.
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A pint's a pound the world round. As long as the world consists only of the USA.
Then again, I'd guess the number of adult USAnians who know there are sixteen ounces in a (US) pint to be less than 40%.

Oh, and did you know how much one fluid ounce weighs? Well, it's not one AVDP ounce, I'll tell you that!
 
Trebuchet said:
A pint's a pound the world round. As long as the world consists only of the USA.

Then again, I'd guess the number of adult USAnians who know there are sixteen ounces in a (US) pint to be less than 40%.



Oh, and did you know how much one fluid ounce weighs? Well, it's not one AVDP ounce, I'll tell you that!
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An ounce of what?
If it's just water, that's about 30ml volume so about 30 grams. Which is, oh yeah... ~1oz. [emoji38]
(I diy my vape juice. [emoji1] )
 
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Mojo said:
Why the hell isn't Starmer at least suggesting that we should?
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Probably a combination of the following:
1) Rejoining the EU won't fix the issues most voters consider the most urgent, ie. the cost of living crisis, public services being worn down, etc.
2) Too many voters still think that even if Brexit was a disaster, the will of the majority should be respected.
3) At the moment it's just not a fight worth having.
 
KDLarsen said:
Probably a combination of the following:
1) Rejoining the EU won't fix the issues most voters consider the most urgent, ie. the cost of living crisis, public services being worn down, etc.
2) Too many voters still think that even if Brexit was a disaster, the will of the majority should be respected.
3) At the moment it's just not a fight worth having.
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Or just imagine the headlines in papers such as the Express, Mail, Andrex and such.
 
Wudang said:
Or just imagine the headlines in papers such as the Express, Mail, Andrex and such.
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True, they're already gearing up to fight Starmer tooth and nail on his record at the Crown Prosecution Office in the first place.
 
Yes, when he was a barrister he defended criminals and illegal immigrants.

He's a complete disgrace, a lefty lawyer, wasting public money on trying to get criminals off and stop deportations.
 
Trebuchet said:
A pint's a pound the world round. As long as the world consists only of the USA.
Then again, I'd guess the number of adult USAnians who know there are sixteen ounces in a (US) pint to be less than 40%.

Oh, and did you know how much one fluid ounce weighs? Well, it's not one AVDP ounce, I'll tell you that!
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Anyone work with Troy ounces?

My favourite W&M trivia is the 'ton' displacement used for ships comes from 'tun', the large wine barrel. It was an estimate how how much such a ship could carry, for duty purposes.
The tun was 252 gallons of wine (well usually: the 'standard tun' was 252, there were others, of 200 to 260 gallons). Oh and not standard gallons, that'd be far too simple. There was eight Troy pounds of wine (approximately) in a 'wine gallon'.

And finally, the 'wine gallon' of approximately 3.75 litres, was the basis for the US gallon. The US not following UKia into "standardising" Imperial units in 1826.....
 
Trebuchet said:
A pint's a pound the world round. As long as the world consists only of the USA.
Then again, I'd guess the number of adult USAnians who know there are sixteen ounces in a (US) pint to be less than 40%.

Oh, and did you know how much one fluid ounce weighs? Well, it's not one AVDP ounce, I'll tell you that!
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"A pint of water weighs a pound-and-a-quarter"!
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
I'm surprised no Ukian has brought up the indoctrination rhymes from the 70s like:
A litre of water's a pint and three quarters.
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Along with "two and a quarter pounds of jam, weighs about a kilogramme" and "a metre measures three foot three, it's longer than a yard you see".
 
According to the Telegraph this year is the

'Beginning of the end’ for EU as we know it after surge in hard-Right support.

Euro 2024 elections seen as a battle to end Brussels overreach into national sovereignty
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KDLarsen said:
Probably a combination of the following:
1) Rejoining the EU won't fix the issues most voters consider the most urgent, ie. the cost of living crisis, public services being worn down, etc.
2) Too many voters still think that even if Brexit was a disaster, the will of the majority should be respected.
3) At the moment it's just not a fight worth having.
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As long as there is an agreement struck between the UK and the EU to agree on joint immigration and travel processes, agreed currency exchange procedures, much more streamlined border management, unified health and education standards, and some form of multinational citizenship recognition, the Raving Brexiteers League of Faragists can sleep easy knowing Brexit has been a success.

:rolleyes:
 
Andy_Ross said:
Not to mention that it was the English that invented the 75cl bottle, when they owned Bordeaux.6x75cl = 1 gallon.That's why wine is still sold in cartons of 6 in France today.
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zooterkin said:
*Citation required.
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England owned Bordeaux from 1152 to 1453.

The Don said:
Here you go:)

https://bernard-magrez.com/en/actua... found a unit of,has become the European norm.
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This measure was actually chosen in the 19th century by Bordeaux growers and Bordeaux’s British wine merchant houses, at a time when the United Kingdom was the leading importer of French wines.
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The Don said:
Along with "two and a quarter pounds of jam, weighs about a kilogramme" and "a metre measures three foot three, it's longer than a yard you see".
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One that occurred to me during the Olympic rowing one year:
2ks of water's a mile and a quarter.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
I'm surprised no Ukian has brought up the indoctrination rhymes from the 70s like:
A litre of water's a pint and three quarters.
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The Don said:
Along with "two and a quarter pounds of jam, weighs about a kilogramme" and "a metre measures three foot three, it's longer than a yard you see".
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The influence of the evil EUSSR right there! ;P
 
Mojo said:
20 fl oz to the pint (it's on the measuring jug I use for cooking)
2 pints to the quart
4 quarts to the gallon (hence the name, I suspect) so 8 pints to the gallon

Won't be 70 for a while yet.
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Of course that's the difference between a UK and US gallon.

a UK gallon of water weighs 10 lbs.
 
I never heard any of those 'metrication' rhymes.
This thread is the first place I have seen them. I was at school in the 60s and 70s, they never came up anywhere.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I never heard any of those 'metrication' rhymes.
This thread is the first place I have seen them. I was at school in the 60s and 70s, they never came up anywhere.
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Completely new to me as well. I started school in January 1974. We learned imperial and metric side by side.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I never heard any of those 'metrication' rhymes.
This thread is the first place I have seen them. I was at school in the 60s and 70s, they never came up anywhere.
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Darat said:
I had never heard of them before this thread.
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malbui said:
Completely new to me as well. I started school in January 1974. We learned imperial and metric side by side.
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Interesting, they were definitely all over the school I was at in the mid 70s. At least The Don has confirmed they weren't just a figment of my imagination. :p The one I quoted and the two he added are the only ones I remember.
 
As a former academic I was delighted to see that the UK has today officially joined the Horizon and Copernicus programmes. Such a pity they were blocked from access for so long.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
Interesting, they were definitely all over the school I was at in the mid 70s. At least The Don has confirmed they weren't just a figment of my imagination. :p The one I quoted and the two he added are the only ones I remember.
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I think it's going to depend on how old you were at the time, I remember playing/learning with 1cm plastic blocks that locked together in the mid 70s (I'm 1971 vintage, a great year) but not really doing imperial, maybe a bit of feet & inches but not much beyond that. If on the other hand you were a little bit older and already familiar with metric it makes absolute sense to be learning coversions, but if you've been taught metric from the start...
 
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