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[Continuation] Brexit XII

The Don said:
No, it is not possible to undo Brexit.

Even if the UK were to join the EU again it would be on much less favourable terms.

It may be also be possible to mitigate some of the worst effects of Brexit by agreeing to follow EU rules but that would still leave the UK in a much worse position because we wouldn't be in a position to make those rules.

The UK economy will continue to grow a a significantly slower rate than before Brexit, our environmental and human rights will be rapidly eroded, the quality of our food will decrease and inequality will soar - pretty much everything the architects of Brexit wanted, the opportunity to get even richer at the expense of the British people.
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Apparently, 39% of the UK electorate now would be willing to join the euro if it was a requirement to re-join the EU, in a recent poll. This compares to just 11% around four years ago. The trend is there and growing, and so even if we don't get the same deal as before, it is not necessarily a barrier in terms of public approval to re-join, say in Labour's second term in government.
 
That assumes the EU would want us back, of course. Given what a pain in the arse we were throughout our membership, as well as when leaving, I wouldn't blame them for telling us to **** off.
 
Pixel42 said:
That assumes the EU would want us back, of course. Given what a pain in the arse we were throughout our membership, as well as when leaving, I wouldn't blame them for telling us to **** off.
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They stated many times that they would.
 
wobs said:
They stated many times that they would.
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Yes and what a feather in their cap this would be. An ex-member returning to the fold knowing they couldn't live without them. A strong message to send to other member states that might be considering leaving.
 
I've said from the start that the biggest contribution the UK could end up making to the success of the EU is demonstrating, by leaving it, what a bloody stupid thing that is to do. There were other EU countries who had their own leave movements in 2016, most of whom have gone very quiet since. So yes, it's possible that the coup of us returning with our tail between our legs begging to be allowed back in might well be enough to make up for previously being more trouble than we worth.
 
Pixel42 said:
I've said from the start that the biggest contribution the UK could end up making to the success of the EU is demonstrating, by leaving it, what a bloody stupid thing that is to do. There were other EU countries who had their own leave movements in 2016, most of whom have gone very quiet since. So yes, it's possible that the coup of us returning with our tail between our legs begging to be allowed back in might well be enough to make up for previously being more trouble than we worth.
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To be fair we're a still a significant economy (despite our government's attempts to run everything into the ground & sell it off cheap) still have some residual international standing which makes us more attractive. Our location puts us in "better inside the tent" territory, and I'm sure there's hope that a returned Britain would be more appreciative of the benefits of membership, one would hope so although the level of disinformation atm make me less than convinced.
 
And let's not forget that every country in the EU causes trouble for the EU - the UK was hardly unique in that regard.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I think the ground under our collective foot would probably do the job if our squishy flesh wasn't up to it.
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I don't think it would have had time to forgotten Weapons has a good video on the RPG somewhere.
 
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jeremyp said:
Which they will, because the UK is still a large market and economy.
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Sorry to but in, but you are overestimating your importance. And don't expect even remotely similar treatment as you got long ago. We are already fed up with Hungary, do you think we are eager to add another perpetual uncooperative complainers?
 
Klimax said:
Sorry to but in, but you are overestimating your importance. And don't expect even remotely similar treatment as you got long ago. We are already fed up with Hungary, do you think we are eager to add another perpetual uncooperative complainers?
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Oh, almost without doubt any return would come with absolutely none of the special treatment the UK received prior to it's storming off in a huff. This would include becoming part of Schengen and accepting the Euro. Probably a bundle of other stuff too.

I'd be more than happy with that, to be fair.
 
Klimax said:
Sorry to but in, but you are overestimating your importance.
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No I'm not. I just stated facts.

And don't expect even remotely similar treatment as you got long ago.
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No of course not. We had really good terms before. We won't get them back again, but it would still be worth us rejoining.

We are already fed up with Hungary, do you think we are eager to add another perpetual uncooperative complainers?
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Everybody in the EU is an uncooperative complainer in some respect.

Bear in mind that the UK's GDP is an order of magnitude larger than that of Hungary.
 
3point14 said:
Oh, almost without doubt any return would come with absolutely none of the special treatment the UK received prior to it's storming off in a huff. This would include becoming part of Schengen and accepting the Euro. Probably a bundle of other stuff too.

I'd be more than happy with that, to be fair.
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So would I, but we wouldn't haver to accept the Euro. Well, in principle we would, but in practice we can delay it indefinitely.
 
jeremyp said:
So would I, but we wouldn't haver to accept the Euro. Well, in principle we would, but in practice we can delay it indefinitely.
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I would imagine that a firm commitment to join the Euro at an appropriate economic juncture would satisfy both sides without anybody being under any illusions about what was meant.
 
Seton Council in Devon is planning to remove swings from children's playgrounds to protect the council from legal action in case of injury.

They are blaming EU regulations.

Hasn't anyone told them?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Seton Council in Devon is planning to remove swings from children's playgrounds to protect the council from legal action in case of injury.

They are blaming EU regulations.

Hasn't anyone told them?
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I think they do know, but they're banking on the local residents not knowing so that they can blame the EU for anything and everything they do that's unpopular.
 
I thought that sounded a bit too daft, so I went googling, and this is what came up:
“At Beer, there is a pirate themed area with a slide and a ship climbing frame – although it wasn’t possible to include a swing (due to the space required, through the European Standards), we’ve selected the designs that provide the most play value, and that reduce environmental impact through recycled materials. We are confident local children and visitors alike will love the new facilities .”
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Midweek Herald: Play parks in Budleigh, Beer, Honiton and Exmouth set for upgrade

The regulations in questions are the British and European Standard for playground equipment and surfacing.
 
Given how dangerous parks were when I was a kid, from surfaces being concrete and pavement slabs, to the rides themselves with exposed areas for fingers to be trapped, or in the case of the umbrella/witches hat arms to be trapped it's amazing any of us made it past childhood!
 
KDLarsen said:
I thought that sounded a bit too daft, so I went googling, and this is what came up:

Midweek Herald: Play parks in Budleigh, Beer, Honiton and Exmouth set for upgrade

The regulations in questions are the British and European Standard for playground equipment and surfacing.
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Those bloody Europeans, insisting insisting our children have space not to get a good British swing to the side of the head while playing! No wonder the younger generation are so Woke! (Continued on Daily Mail Letters Page)
 
Darat said:
Given how dangerous parks were when I was a kid, from surfaces being concrete and pavement slabs, to the rides themselves with exposed areas for fingers to be trapped, or in the case of the umbrella/witches hat arms to be trapped it's amazing any of us made it past childhood!
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As the saying goes "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.. Then it's ******* hilarious!"
 
Eight years after the Brexit vote and more than three years after the UK was "free" of the EU, the UK has finally got around to implementing border checks.

Of course the price for "freedom" will fall on the UK's companies and hence onto the UK consumer.

New checks brought in under the UK's Brexit trade agreement will cost one business up to £225,000 a year, its co-owner has said.

Meat and dairy products, plants and seeds are among the goods now subject to physical checks when imported to Britain from the European Union from Tuesday.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pz0vjd57o

Of course the UK could become entirely self-sufficient but in the real world this will simply be another inflationary pressure on the UK electorate.

Those sunlit uplands seem as elusive as ever. :rolleyes:
 
The Don said:
Eight years after the Brexit vote and more than three years after the UK was "free" of the EU, the UK has finally got around to implementing border checks.

Of course the price for "freedom" will fall on the UK's companies and hence onto the UK consumer.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pz0vjd57o

Of course the UK could become entirely self-sufficient but in the real world this will simply be another inflationary pressure on the UK electorate.

Those sunlit uplands seem as elusive as ever. :rolleyes:
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Of course the checks aren't being carried out, just charged for..... :rolleyes:
 
As I posted in the UK politics thread

“Hello. I’m calling from Border Control. We’re going to charge you £145 to check each pallet of French cheese on your lorries, and the best thing is, we’re not actually going to check it. We’ll just wave it through and collect your £145."

Bring whatever you want.
 
Those Brexit benefits keep on accumulating. We must be in the sunlit uplands by now.:rolleyes:

Brexit red tape on British businesses has caused UK-EU goods trade to slump and the problem is getting worse, economists have warned.
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The value of UK goods exports to the EU sank 27% and import goods 32%, according to the report, compared with what it models would have happened without Brexit.]
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd988p00z1no
 
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