Was 9/11 an inside job?

[The Platypus]

Relax grows tired of people telling him there are no explosions when he can clearly hear explosions.

Referring to yourself in third person is a classic symptom of narcissism.

 

[Sabrina]

Again, Relax, I must point out the dichotomy in your theory:

You claim thermite was used to demolish the towers and that you heard explosions (setting aside your obvious hearing issues, I'll grant you that one for the purposes of this question). Yet thermite is an incendiary. It other words; it starts fires, it doesn't go BOOM like high explosives do. So either you are lying about hearing explosions or you are lying about being certain thermite was used. It cannot be both; which is it?

Before you ask, I have often heard things go BOOM; I'm a captain in the Army Reserves with almost ten years in service, and the first four years were in Air Defense Artillery dealing with a weapon system that regularly makes things go BOOM, plus I have had the opportunity to fire field artillery systems as well as use hand grenades and numerous other guns (M-249, M-9, M-16A2, and .60 caliber guns). I have heard a LOT of things go boom over the years, including the types of booms that occur during a controlled demolition. NOTHING in the video filmed by the Naudet brothers has anything that sounds at all like the numerous sharp booms that herald a demolition cutter charge going off.

 

[djlunacee]

So I don't get very many chances to post on this site, and I went back about 5 or 6 pages looking for a poll but I didn't find one. So WAS 9/11 an inside job? I can honestly say without a reasonable doubt that yes, it was an inside job. They not only had knowledge of what was going to happen that day, but they planned it out.

World Trade Center 7 vs an Orange

Thermite COULD have done it. and that guy who made that video is just a regular construction worker from what I hear... not the so called 'experts' hired by the government.

William Cooper predicts an event like 9/11 would happen and that it would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden This video also contains the towers 'collapsing' and the visible clouds of smoke before the 'collapse' ever reach them. Also shows white flashes inside the WTC which are claimed by many of the Thermite theory to be the ignitions. Also has photographs of the plane.

Don't believe that there were explosions? In this video, the only surviving video that I know of, you can actually HEAR the explosions FOR YOURSELVES at around 3:43-4:05 Another thing I find suspicious about that is... how in god's name is jet fuel supposed to shoot out 78 stories below? Also don't even try to say those explosions are exploding cars.

This is an orange, and these are buildings being demolished, not an apple.

I would also like to recently point out that I came to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job just recently. And now I go to work looking like this

If its an orange, then with this video, I made Orange Juice.

http://video.nationalgeographic.com...ering-911/ngc-911-science-and-conspiracy.html


Sorry champ, watch your heros squirm, as they know they have been exposed as frauds, They are all there, Griffin, Gage, Avery, Jones, destroyed in front of the whole world.

 

[A W Smith]

Oranges can be so annoying

THIS! is an orange.

 

[MIKILLINI]

THIS! is an orange.

That's an orange colored lemon[truther logic

 

[MIKILLINI]

If this was an inside job, and if there were explosives used to level the twin towers, and there were people investigating for evidence of explosives sent by the government.... the same government that just destroyed those same towers with explosives... do you really think they'd report anything? Or do you think more than likely they'd be sent to destroy evidence? I didn't even know the government conducted 'investigations' for explosives at ground zero. Certainly... you don't think there would be a need for one given how they're supposed to have collapsed due to the planes hitting them. And if that was plausible enough to bring them down. Why in the hell were they worried about evidence for the use of explosives?

'hint'

Here's a hint..It's been 10 years and you are asking questions that have been asked here hundreds of times; The same freaking questions!! We keep answering them or present links for you to check out, but you have closed your mind and won't acknowledge common sense here.
Why can't you see proof of the obvious?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This is an Orange:



Congratulations truthers on ten years of going nowhere, getting nothing done, being powerless and impotent and constantly losing the meager strength you enjoyed 5 years ago.

Don't take it too hard?

 

[alienentity]

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I would also like to recently point out that I came to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job just recently. And now I go to work looking like this

I'm sorry you've fallen under the spell of these urban myths. No wonder you feel lousy. The solution is to take a step back and realize that lots of people get sucked into these tall tales, but they can come back out into reality.

You can get better anytime you want to. The choice is yours. The info is out there if you want it.

ps here's just one video showing how showers of hot material can emanate from fires, but do not prove the presence of thermite in any way.


And another which shows how a steel beam can indeed fail quickly due to a jet fuel fire:

 

[Oz1976]

Was skimming through and noticed this. You realize that office fires burn much much hotter then jet fuel correct? The jet fuel burned off rather quickly in the initial impacts and served mainly to ignite the office fires. Then in the debris pile, when you factor in insulation and unlimited amounts of fuel for the fires to burn, those fires were capable of melting all sorts of alloys.

I am curious, what do you suppose the firefighters in this photo are looking at?
[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/Zaitsev72/171106fireWTC.jpg[/qimg]

Awe come on now, he's only been a twoofer for 4 days...this is sucha loaded question

Seriously though...that answer to oysteins question boggled my mind...FOUR DAYS? Really? Where have you been the last ten years Relax, a cave in Tora Bora?

 

[Poison Oak]

For years, the only problem I had was the way the towers fell. It simply didn't look right. Didn't "feel" right. No way they could have fallen via gravity alone. I could understand how the planes were taken and everything else.

So I went to numerous websites. On both sides of the issue. Looked at hours and hours of video. I read through (sometimes) years of older posts. The questions I had were cussed and discussed over and over and over. I was cursed and insulted by both sides. Neither side believed I was sincere. And I watched more videos. Links were freely provided that gave a "for" and "against" view of a controlled demolition. And "for" and "against" things I didn't even have an issue with.

Bottom line is that I cannot find anything that realistically refutes the 911 Commission Report. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

 

[Oz1976]

I stated earlier that I didn't think that explosives were planted where the planes would hit though they may have been planted below or above them. Certainly Below them, though maybe or maybe not above them.

So...let me get this straight...

From this comment we see you believe the planes hit the towers...ok that's a good start. However you also say that explosives were to be planted above and below the plane impact points....so...how could the people who planted the explosives be sure of where the planes were going to hit? I mean, both planes hit each tower in distinctly different locations.

Now...these people that planted these fantastical explosives...they weren't afraid that, ya know, the impacts and explosions of the planes would set the explosives off? You do realize that explosives, no matter which type you use, that are strong enough to sever steel columns are HIGHLY volatile right? And yet, the plane hitting the buildings didn't set a single one of them off...not one.

Starting to see the error of your ways yet? I find it hard to believe that after ten years of this nonsense from Truthers, you're just now beginning to believe in the "inside job" nonsense. I mean hell, even die hard truthers are starting to recant their beliefs...Dylan Avery recently has stated he's less sure of his "Loose Change" series of events and Charlie Vietch, who was leader of the UK Truther group "The Love Police" has recanted completely his views of 911. Where the heck have you been?

You claim to come here asking questions, and when you are answered with sound, logical evidence, you've done nothing but hand wave it away or outright ignore it. You're spouting off crap that's been debunked for YEARS.

If you're as critical a thinker as you claim to be, start, ya know...THINKING about what you're saying and what we're presenting to you. More and more people are NOT waking up to the "fact" that 911 was an inside job, they're waking up to the fact that they've been DUPED for the last 10 years by fear mongering scam artists and profiteers like Alex Jones, Dick Gage, David Ray Griffin, et al.

ETA:

Relax grows tired of people telling him there are no explosions when he can clearly hear explosions. I don't know what you consider to be an 'explosion' but I do know what I consider to be an explosion, and I do question all the other circumstantial evidence/coincidences. As should you.

So...explosion means explosives? Think long and hard about that one before you answer.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

As for the corner twisting, I think it's obvious that if there were explosives on that floor they already exploded during the impact. I stated earlier that I didn't think that explosives were planted where the planes would hit though they may have been planted below or above them. Certainly Below them, though maybe or maybe not above them.

No. If we're talking floors immediately above or below the impact area, then the state of the steel recovered from those floors already contradicts that notion. It can be demonstrated that there were no explosives used in the collapse initiation zones. That demonstration is the steel remains depicted in NCSTAR 1-3C.

There were no explosives in the collapse initiation zones. This is known.

 

[Oz1976]

If this was an inside job, and if there were explosives used to level the twin towers, and there were people investigating for evidence of explosives sent by the government.... the same government that just destroyed those same towers with explosives... do you really think they'd report anything? Or do you think more than likely they'd be sent to destroy evidence? I didn't even know the government conducted 'investigations' for explosives at ground zero. Certainly... you don't think there would be a need for one given how they're supposed to have collapsed due to the planes hitting them. And if that was plausible enough to bring them down. Why in the hell were they worried about evidence for the use of explosives?

'hint'

Ok, Mr. Critical Thinker...time to start critically thinking...

So...it's all a big cover up right? The government sent in the investigators, and the investigators are lying to cover up for the government eh? Pray tell...how many people are now involved in this conspiracy? How many? An estimate will do, but be sure to include all relevant parties. Because right now you're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of being complicant in mass murder. You're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of having no conscience what so ever. Understand that?

You're accusing...

The Bush Administration
The NY Port Authority
The NYPD
The FDNY
NIST
Mayor Giuliani and Gov Pattaki and anyone that worked closely with them on that day and those that followed.
FEMA
The ASCE
The Silverstein Group
Those who supposedly developed this super secret demolition technique
Those who supposedly installed this super secret demolition technique
Those who controlled the detonators of this super secret demolition technique
Pretty much anyone who was involved in the intelligence community prior to and after 9/11
Pretty much anyone who was involved with the recovery and clean up of Ground Zero

Get the picture yet?

Not one whistleblower...not one.

All these people would have to be "in on it".

 

[dtugg]

Twoofers are the stupidest people in the world.

 

[Animal]

Ok, Mr. Critical Thinker...time to start critically thinking...

So...it's all a big cover up right? The government sent in the investigators, and the investigators are lying to cover up for the government eh? Pray tell...how many people are now involved in this conspiracy? How many? An estimate will do, but be sure to include all relevant parties. Because right now you're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of being complicant in mass murder. You're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of having no conscience what so ever. Understand that?

You're accusing...

The Bush Administration
The NY Port Authority
The NYPD
The FDNY
NIST
Mayor Giuliani and Gov Pattaki and anyone that worked closely with them on that day and those that followed.
FEMA
The ASCE
The Silverstein Group
Those who supposedly developed this super secret demolition technique
Those who supposedly installed this super secret demolition technique
Those who controlled the detonators of this super secret demolition technique
Pretty much anyone who was involved in the intelligence community prior to and after 9/11
Pretty much anyone who was involved with the recovery and clean up of Ground Zero

Get the picture yet?

Not one whistleblower...not one.

All these people would have to be "in on it".

Also

Teamsters

IUEC

UNITED BROTHERHOOD OF CARPENTERS AND JOINERS OF AMERICA

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS

INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS

LABORERS INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA

UNITED ASSOCIATION OF JOURNEYMEN AND APPRENTICES IN THE PLUMBING AND PIPEFITTING INDUSTRY

SHEET METAL WORKERS INTERNATIONAL UNION

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF BRIDGE, ORNAMENTAL AND STRUCTURAL IRONWORKERS

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PAINTERS AND ALLIED TRADES

AFL-CIO

 

[Quad4_72]

Awe come on now, he's only been a twoofer for 4 days...this is sucha loaded question

Seriously though...that answer to oysteins question boggled my mind...FOUR DAYS? Really? Where have you been the last ten years Relax, a cave in Tora Bora?

Obviously Relax is lying. He was a twoofer well before he came to this forum. Just another high school kid coming here to try and bring us evil jrefers to the twoof.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I guess this is something like their version of the rapture... the day when the holy god of the truth movement returns to earth to bring the "JREF'ers" to the truth movement's version of heaven. As I recall... believers of the rapture pretty much bankrupted eachother in anticipation of the revolution that never was. I'm for one content with watching the hysteria unfold into a thunderous "poof".

 

[MIKILLINI]

For years, the only problem I had was the way the towers fell. It simply didn't look right. Didn't "feel" right. No way they could have fallen via gravity alone. I could understand how the planes were taken and everything else.

So I went to numerous websites. On both sides of the issue. Looked at hours and hours of video. I read through (sometimes) years of older posts. The questions I had were cussed and discussed over and over and over. I was cursed and insulted by both sides. Neither side believed I was sincere. And I watched more videos. Links were freely provided that gave a "for" and "against" view of a controlled demolition. And "for" and "against" things I didn't even have an issue with.

Bottom line is that I cannot find anything that realistically refutes the 911 Commission Report. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

Welcome to the forum Poison.. At least you have done some research on both sides of the issue without going down the rabbit hole as Relax and tmd2 are here. I once made many these same "conspiracy" arguments, but all those here who argued against me provided much more solid, compelling evidence that changed my perspective. In other words, truthers are disregarding the obvious and clinging onto the anomolies.

 

[triforcharity]

Relax,

Why is it that you completly ignored my wall of different posts, where I addressed many of your "points" on page one?

Here they are

here
here
here
here
and here

Why did you ignore every single one of them?

 

[Oz1976]

Poll count is now 110 against an inside job, to only 4 for there being an inside job. Using truther logic from polls that means less than 3% of American's now believe the government is lying or somehow involved in 911.

And Relax has gone MIA. Guess you were right Quad, a sockpuppet or hardened twoofer who just came to troll with the same old nonsense.