Was 9/11 an inside job?

[MIKILLINI]

How do you explain that more than 60% of the Commissioners themselves now essentially say that the report was a fix ?

Your kitchen table judgement is showing once again.

 

[Mudcat]

Argument from personal incredulity is a logical fallacy.

Incredulity is the natural and very reasonable response to the Thermite/Explosive narrative that Truthers put forward for very obvious reasons:

Youre assuming so many people would have to be involved the thing would've been impossible to pull off..You even name (quoted) whole depts!

Someone has to design and build the device(s), plant it/them and set it/them off in coordinated manner in conjunction with the planes crashing into the buildings. And then there's the clean up, to make sure no evidence survives (a massive undertaking in itself), media lock downs (which didn't occur by the way), finding and confiscating any and all video recordings, detaining survivors who might expose it.

It would require unbelievable amount of manpower, ungodly amount of resources (money), and eternal vigilance. Starting to see why I'm so personally increduilant?

Not a logical deduction in the face of the mountain of facts that reveal pre-planted explosives.

I'll admit it right here and right now. I have never read the reports on 9-11. I haven't seen any videos on it either. Only thing I have ever seen is the news coverage the day it happened.

I am neither blind nor stupid, so I came to the conclusion that the jet-planes slammed into the building which compromised their structural stability. Jet fuel got into the building which caught on fire, which cause other unsecured flammable substances in the buildings to also catch on fire. This unchecked, raging inferno further compromised the buildings and caused them to collapse and not very neatly.

 

[atavisms]

You (or anyone else for that matter) have not shown that there was any melted steel. Molten metal does not automatically mean melted steel. Especially when there were other metals in abundance with lower melting points.

I'm assuming that there was no huge bank of UPS batteries owned by the fuji bank there as the official story states it as melted aluminum... something I already gave a reason for discrediting. first time I've heard of a bank of batteries being stored conveniently next to the open hole the airplane debris left.

There is no "Official Story". There is only a narrative of events. The only people who use the term "Official Story" are truthers.

There was in fact a huge bank of batteries there.

so? what does that have to do with molten metal?
The evidence for molten metal comes from numerous places. This makes it much more likely. When evidence is gathered from different sources that all point in one direction makes it much more conclusive.


-Documented by government scientists fema bpat app C http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

-the ELEMENTAL Iron Micorspheres RJ Lee, USGS, and a host on indie scientists. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/residues.html
These accounted for 5-6% of the tested sample in some reports. They were so prevalent in the dust that their presence was singled out as a 'signature' of WTC dust for RJ Lee because it was in every sample they tested. In other words, if it didnt have the spherules it was not WTC dust.

-WTC architect Leslie Robertson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnbfXLUyI4

-Firefighters- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM

-POURING from the NE corner of the South Tower http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE just below the spot where moments later will tear apart. -just before being shredded with explosives.

-Look at how bizarre the fires at GZ were. Nothing natural about that. Despite Millions of gallon of water and even special fire suppressants they burned for 100 days. With unnaturally hot temperatures recorded by Bechtel and NASA - you can find them online, and http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/rubblefires.html

-In various photos and videos are other people's direct witness testimony. pieces so hot that when they hit the air they burst into flames. An end of a beam red hot and dripping molten metal as it was pulled from the 'pit.'

So do some research because you sound convinced that what we have heard in the news and from government investigators is all there is..clearly that is not the case.

Thermitic reactions create molten iron as a by product (Aluminum oxide seen as white smoke it another). The theory goes that it was used to cut the steel.
Something did: the longest pieces seen at GZ were about 30 feet long. And WTC 1&2 were extremely explosive events so there were probably more than one kind of explosives used. As the beams were cut and then quickly blasted the molten metal hardened and surface tension made them into spheres.

I dont know how anyone could look at the facts of 9/11 and not be 100% they were blown up. As hard is that is to believe the evidence is more damning still. The Towers came down at approx 60% slower than freefall! and WTC7 actually went into freefall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw
What else do you need to know/? really, I mean come on. wke up!! LOOK AT THE FACTS. Not your incredulity not the mass media. Anyone can verify these facts from mainstream sources.

Remember: FREEFALL IN WTC 7 = EXPLOSIVES
-it's either that, or the laws of physics were changed for one day.
And that is not a false dichotomy but a scientific fact
peace

 

[Animal]

Remember: FREEFALL IN WTC 7 = EXPLOSIVES

repeating the same delusional fantasy over and over will not make come true.

 

[atavisms]

Ah!! I got tired. Couldn't be bothered with the rest. It's been done 100 times over. Just take any one of Ativisms' claims and put "JREF" before it in google and you'll find your answer.

So why persist silly? move on. Whats funny (and pathetic) about your statement is that you think everyone is here just for you. Just bc you've done it "100 times" does not mean everyone else has too.
kayyy?

Skip my posts - they are for people who want to discuss these issues. Who have something to contribute one way or the other. Personally. I would not care a whit if harrit was the town crackhead if what he said was true.

The bigger issue for you I think is that you should get out more

 

[MIKILLINI]

The evidence for molten metal comes from numerous places. This makes it much more likely. When evidence is gathered from different sources that all point in one direction makes it much more conclusive.

What you need to do for yourself is to understand the term molten and determine what type of metal(s) it is. Associating this condition with any explosive is doomed to failure.
A simple fact of this matter is that we're talking about "molten" metal many weeks after the WTC tower's collapse. Heat generated by explosives is very short-lived and science proves it.

-the ELEMENTAL Iron Micorspheres RJ Lee, USGS, and a host on indie scientists. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/residues.html
These accounted for 5-6% of the tested sample in some reports. They were so prevalent in the dust that their presence was singled out as a 'signature' of WTC dust for RJ Lee because it was in every sample they tested. In other words, if it didnt have the spherules it was not WTC dust.

I would bet you didn't know that human blood has iron microspheres, or printer ink, and even fly ash(which is more than likely the most common). So I can see you have limited your microspheric "evidence" to thermite...therefore limiting your investigation to failure status.

-POURING from the NE corner of the South Tower http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE just below the spot where moments later will tear apart. -just before being shredded with explosives.

What kind of metal is this atavisms? Is it even metal? How can you know?

-Look at how bizarre the fires at GZ were. Nothing natural about that. Despite Millions of gallon of water and even special fire suppressants they burned for 100 days. With unnaturally hot temperatures recorded by Bechtel and NASA - you can find them online

,

Is a smouldering fire a new concept with you? Do you not understand there are ways for oxygen to reach the fires even if it appears they are completely buried? If you keep in mind the short span time of heat generated by explosives, then how could this be smouldering weeks later?

-In various photos and videos are other people's direct witness testimony. pieces so hot that when they hit the air they burst into flames. An end of a beam red hot and dripping molten metal as it was pulled from the 'pit.'

Can you distinguish this testimony a bit clearer? Was the beam itself so hot that it was dripping? Or that there was a different type of metal on it that was dripping? Now if this beam was truly melted, there was no way possible to pull liquified molton metal out.

So do some research because you sound convinced that what we have heard in the news and from government investigators is all there is..clearly that is not the case.

There are many questions here for you, so do some more detailed research if you want to make an actual case.

Thermitic reactions create molten iron as a by product (Aluminum oxide seen as white smoke it another). The theory goes that it was used to cut the steel.

Science disputes your theory, you would discover this with more diligent research.

Something did: the longest pieces seen at GZ were about 30 feet long. And WTC 1&2 were extremely explosive events so there were probably more than one kind of explosives used. As the beams were cut and then quickly blasted the molten metal hardened and surface tension made them into spheres.

This is more of an opinion than any serious research.

I dont know how anyone could look at the facts of 9/11 and not be 100% they were blown up.

I don't see how anyone could come to this conclusion if they did some serious, hardcore research.

 

[atavisms]

Incredulity is the natural and very reasonable response to the Thermite/Explosive narrative that Truthers put forward for very obvious reasons

Truthers didnt put all those features and facts 'forward. they come from the events as observed. Because investigators obviously ignored so much well established evidence, independent researchers, many from science and academia, postulated various explanations. Even a cursory look at the facts of 9-11 show the official account cannot possibly be true. That is where this comes from. Look at my post on molten metal on this page. All that,, shouldnt be there.

very explosive? definitely. 1100 people were blasted beyond any discernible genetic trace! Most of the concrete was pulverized. No one has explained that in any satisfactory way. - whatever some here claim. Its completely counter-intuitive to even imagine gravity could account for that. I know its also counter-intuitive to imagine such thing could be carried off in secret.
But we have these facts,. study them - then apply reason. If you have any questions feel free.
http://smu.gs/jvzZxu
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/surroundings.html

It would require unbelievable amount of manpower, ungodly amount of resources (money), and eternal vigilance.

Complete control affords just that. So if you are the person in charge of security lets say. it might be easier to manipulate the system. Remember, that the events occurred are not in question. AS hard as it is to believe there it is. And in your review of the event you ignored WTC 7 - a 50 story steel reinforced skyscraper that 'fell' in manner completely consistent with controlled demolition.
How do you explain this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw

That was my reaction too. But I am not going to argue against personal incredulity./ Please just accept that its a "logical fallacy" and that's what people smarter than us consider it. ^^

Only thing I have ever seen is the news coverage the day it happened.

Then you should look at the issues first. Then the debunkers if you need to (I did) Please first find out what we are saying. *not from alex jones. The places I linked my signature are good places to begin and the journal of 911 studies is good as well. It is a very important issue. Think of how 9.11 changed the world.

I am neither blind nor stupid, so I came to the conclusion that the jet-planes slammed into the building which compromised their structural stability. Jet fuel got into the building which caught on fire, which cause other unsecured flammable substances in the buildings to also catch on fire. This unchecked, raging inferno further compromised the buildings and caused them to collapse and not very neatly.

I am sure you are neither stupid nor blind. And I can tell you are sincere in your statements. All I say is look first at the central argument at the heart of 911 truth and remember when you are researching this subject and you come across something racist or pseudo-scientific that that is not real 9/11 truth.

That is what we were told. And I thought just like you until I looked and even then I didnt believe it. But the anomalies added up, evidence from different sources added up..to make the official account of events impossible. I have a copy of the 'pre-release version' of Architect's and Engineers for 9/11 truth's EXPERTS SPEAK OUT: http://911expertsspeakout.org/ and its powerful seriously. I watched it in room with 200 people and some whom didn't know the truth until they watched it and were really shocked and upset. Its 2 hours well respected hi-rise architects, structural and chemical engineers, a demolitions experts, a physicist, a metallurgist and more. Not that you need any of that because the facts are so overwhelming.. and if youre open enough enough..will speak louder than anything or anyone else can. I have seen many come to the realization. So I know the effect this information can have on people.

-Please check out my recent 9-11 related posts. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/search.php?do=finduser&u=34917 and the study at the links Ive posted. Its contains some of the most cogent material out there. best

 

[atavisms]

The conspiracist is not merely illogical: he assaults logic.~ Pomeroo.

THE FACTS OF 9-11 as government investigators have attempted to explain them is what assaults logic in this case.

(and wise men do not speak in such general terms. Only propagandists do that./

 

[TJM]

THE FACTS OF 9-11 as government investigators have attempted to explain them is what assaults logic in this case.

(and wise men do not speak in such general terms. Only propagandists do that./

Logic and your fantasies aren't synonymous.

 

[MIKILLINI]

THE FACTS OF 9-11 as government investigators have attempted to explain them is what assaults logic in this case.

(and wise men do not speak in such general terms. Only propagandists do that./

Truthers seize on coincidences and force them into sequences they deem to be logical and significant. Their treatment of eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence is whimsical.

The conspiracists disdained the real world because they wanted to promote Bush, Cheney and the Neo-Cons to an elevated status as the Arch Demons of American history, instead of being just one more team running the American empire, a team of more than usual stupidity and incompetence.
Actually, what Bush and Cheney never demonstrated was the slightest degree of competence to pull anything like this off.

 

[atavisms]

Ok, Mr. Critical Thinker...time to start critically thinking...

So...it's all a big cover up right? The government sent in the investigators, and the investigators are lying to cover up for the government eh? Pray tell...how many people are now involved in this conspiracy? How many? An estimate will do, but be sure to include all relevant parties. Because right now you're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of being complicant in mass murder. You're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of having no conscience what so ever. Understand that?

You're accusing...

The Bush Administration
The NY Port Authority
The NYPD
The FDNY
NIST
Mayor Giuliani and Gov Pattaki and anyone that worked closely with them on that day and those that followed.
FEMA
The ASCE
The Silverstein Group
Those who supposedly developed this super secret demolition technique
Those who supposedly installed this super secret demolition technique
Those who controlled the detonators of this super secret demolition technique
Pretty much anyone who was involved in the intelligence community prior to and after 9/11
Pretty much anyone who was involved with the recovery and clean up of Ground Zero

Get the picture yet?

Not one whistleblower...not one.

All these people would have to be "in on it".

lol.. this is the most fallacy ridden argument ive ever seen anyone make.!

The events occurred! The facts are established! The anomalies as well as the actions and non-actions of investigators will speak louder than any incredulity you have if youjust become aware of it. If not, you are dismissing evidence. (Most people of this kind come to: "Im not an architect or engineer"
An absurd argument in the face so much highly anomalous evidence.

The argument from personal incredulity is logical fallacy for a reason.
"It could not have been pulled off, it was too complex" is not very compelling thing to say because it happened. And just because a thing seems highly unlikely to us is not a reason to dismiss it. Use the EVIDENCE. Look again - this time with more care.

A guide to the 911 Whistle-blowers: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17961
or you mean the perps themselves?

I can see you have not thought this out much less researched it very well.
I know its hard to believe. but facts and physics dont lie.

Just like when we see really amazing magic trick.. it is very effective. This was an illusion as well but they failed miserable IF YOU JUST LOOK W/AN OPEN MIND Carefully at all videos and photos of these events:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/surviving.html
and the facts.

The victims cry out for justice.

 

[atavisms]

Logic and your fantasies aren't synonymous.

YOU KNOW, You can make silly statements like this.
but you cannot explain the facts without explosives.

 

[atavisms]

repeating the same delusional fantasy over and over will not make come true.

imagine someone else might see it. You think? or do imagine think it's for people like you who have " seen it 100 times" ?
and still cannot find anything better to do than make foolish comments that address nothing??
To hold the positions you do must ignore a mountain of well documented and observed facts that reveal the use of explosives.

Oh right, the hi-tech thermitic red-gray chips are actually, 'just paint'
and the squibs compressed air. (absurd explanations to anyone who has looked)

and what about wtc 7's freefall?
or the 1100 MISSING HUMAN BEINGS at ground zero..??
the 2800f a week an a half later??
the 100 day fires
the pulverized concrete
evidence from molten metal from 8 different places..
etc etc etc


These were supposedly 'office fires' and 'gravity' in highly redundant structures. wake up dude

 

[atavisms]

Truthers seize on coincidences and force them into sequences they deem to be logical and significant. f.

Simple minds speak in general terms. -and while failing to address a single issue no less..
Another one who should be on another forum or just get a life. If you guys have this opinion then what are you doing here reading the same issues again and again?
"100 times" !!lol..most would call that foolish.

If I thought this was nonsense i wouldnt waste 5 minutes,, I know you could be 12yo so I'll take it easy on you, but know this: 9-11 Truth is unstoppable because its true. Not everything that represents itself as such, obviously, but the facts on the ground that make the story we have been handed utterly and completely and definitively impossible. ciao

 

[atavisms]

Remember: FREEFALL IN WTC 7 = EXPLOSIVES

repeating the same delusional fantasy over and over will not make come true.

That's a fact animal

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[atavisms]

You don't seem to realize what your doing. .. There's nothing new in your "evidence"

it is not 'my evidence' it is The Evidence -that you cannot distinguish is disturbing. The facts reveals more than just mother nature at work.
If you dont want to at least try to address facts, go elsewhere pls. dont waste our time. Meaning me and others here researching these issues.
You obviously are not doing that. if you cannot concede there are problems whit the official story and the behavior of investigators.. then why bother? Im trying to imagine myself doing what youre doing and I just cant.. I really hope youre still living at home for your sake. All of you hardcore deniers whose pathetic purpose in life is to attack people who uesiton all these disturbing facts.

. GET A LIFE

Here maybe you missed this:http://nyccan.org/index.php


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look at all that intact structure below the impact zone in the north tower:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1fires12.html
gravity did this>? http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzaerial4.html

yeah sure that makes sense.

 

[Robrob]

To hold the positions you do must ignore a mountain of well documented and observed facts that reveal the use of explosives.

In your world, are there unicorns?

Oh right, the hi-tech thermitic red-gray chips are actually, 'just paint'

"Thermetic?" LOL! You mean the traces of rust and aluminum - like that wouldn't be found in the rubble of a collapsed office complex?!

and the squibs compressed air. (absurd explanations to anyone who has looked)

Which somehow managed to follow just ahead of the collapsing building. Exactly as if they were air being pistoned out by the collapsing 30 stories above?

and what about wtc 7's freefall?

For the first few seconds of the North face's fall. The building had already begun collapsing. The North face hung for a few seconds longer before it began to fall, unsupported then it caught up to the rest of the collapsing building and fell at an expected rate.

or the 1100 MISSING HUMAN BEINGS at ground zero..??

An hour long fire and 110 stories of grinding concrete turned them into mulch and ash. Your point?

the 2800f a week an a half later??

Total unadulterated BS.

the 100 day fires

Fire burns as long as there is fuel and oxygen. Your point?

the pulverized concrete

The grinding floor by floor collapse didn't make sense to you, you have to imagine space lasers?

evidence from molten metal from 8 different places..etc etc etc

Aluminum melts in fire. Your point?

 

[MIKILLINI]

YOU KNOW, You can make silly statements like this.
but you cannot explain the facts without explosives.

You can make silly statements like this...BUT you have no evidence of explosives to claim as a fact because all you have is "what it looks like". No physics. People on this forum have studied the collapse of these structures. There are people here who have a physics background, chemistry background, scientific background, plane crash investigation background, firefighting, police experience and have researched the total evidence you do... Some even argued (Myself included) some of the truther side before more tangible, solid evidence proved our claims as wrong.
So you are only another truther arguing the same old anomolies that have never been proven even after they've been highly scrutinized again and again and again.

 

[atavisms]

In your world, are there unicorns?

Your post shows you dont know what youre talking about.
And it addresses nothing intelligently.

I think that will be as evident to any observer as the facts in these events that reveal explosives.

I quote for you (bc ur obviously incapable of doing their own research

Bechtel engineers responsible for safety at ground zero wrote in the Journal of the American Society of Safety Engineers "The debris pile at Ground Zero was always tremendously hot. Thermal measurements taken by helicopter each day showed underground temperatures ranging from 400ºF to more than 2,800ºF. The surface was so hot that standing too long in one spot softened (and even melted) the soles of our safety shoes. Steel toes would often heat up and become intolerable. This heat was also a concern for the search-and-rescue dogs used at the site. Many were not outfitted with protective booties (Photo 13). More than one suffered serious injuries and at least three died while working at Ground Zero. The underground fire burned for exactly 100 days and was finally declared “extinguished” on Dec. 19, 2001.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Your post shows you dont know what youre talking about.
And it addresses nothing intelligently.

I think that will be as evident to any observer as the facts in these events that reveal explosives.

I quote for you (bc ur obviously incapable of doing their own research

Bechtel engineers responsible for safety at ground zero wrote in the Journal of the American Society of Safety Engineers "The debris pile at Ground Zero was always tremendously hot. Thermal measurements taken by helicopter each day showed underground temperatures ranging from 400ºF to more than 2,800ºF. The surface was so hot that standing too long in one spot softened (and even melted) the soles of our safety shoes. Steel toes would often heat up and become intolerable. This heat was also a concern for the search-and-rescue dogs used at the site. Many were not outfitted with protective booties (Photo 13). More than one suffered serious injuries and at least three died while working at Ground Zero. The underground fire burned for exactly 100 days and was finally declared “extinguished” on Dec. 19, 2001.

What was burning in the rubble pile?