Split Thread A full theory of 9/11

Craig4 said:
Could have doesn't matter. Prove that explosives were brought into the building. Show us explosive residue from the debris.
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It does matter. It is not proof that it was done but that it could have. I am making a 3D representation of the whole area and have done extensive research to get the model right, and ran across this info while making the old Staten Island Ferry Terminal building. They built an entirely new level, underground, above the old subway station. At a certain point they closed the old track while they were getting the new track ready to go online. On 911 it was an open corridor straight into the basement of the WTC.
That is one of the biggest arguments against explosives, that everyone would see them bringing the stuff in. Well no, they could have brought it in in such a way where it would have been hidden. This is stuff that is not difficult to find and a year ago most of the info was in Wikipedia. Just do a search on Manhattan subway lines and follow all the links.
I'm not subscribing to any theory because I mentioned somewhere else I saw the second plane crash into the South tower, so I know exactly what happened. What needs to be looked at is who, and I know that too. As with my other post, I know it was not 19 hijackers because they were still in Florida.
 
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Ethnikos said:
It does matter. It is not proof that it was done but that it could have. I am making a 3D representation of the whole area and have done extensive research to get the model right, and ran across this info while making the old Staten Island Ferry Terminal building. They built an entirely new level, underground, above the old subway station. At a certain point they closed the old track while they were getting the new track ready to go online. On 911 it was an open corridor straight into the basement of the WTC.
That is one of the biggest arguments against explosives, that everyone would see them bringing the stuff in. Well no, they could have brought it in in such a way where it would have been hidden. This is stiff that is not difficult to find and a year ago most of the info was in Wikipedia. Just do a search on Manhattan subway lines and follow all the links.
I'm not subscribing to any theory because I mentioned somewhere else I saw the second plane crash into the South tower, so I know exactly what happened. What needs to be looked at is who, and I know that too. As with my other post, I know it was not 19 hijackers because they were still in Florida.
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Hush,the grown ups are talking.
 
The Platypus said:
Ya sure ya do...:rolleyes: And let me guess you know this because some other CTer said so on his website on youtube video...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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No, I know it from a personal friend of mine who knew Atta, working as a bank teller where the flight school he worked for did their banking. Atta was like the courier who did the paperwork and was there five days a week to make deposits and whatever. So she knew him very well. She is no conspiracy person and never paid any attention to any of that sort of thing and was not even into talking about it to anyone. She did decide to tell me her story one night when her husband told her how I was interested in 911. She did not even realize that what she witnessed went against the evidence presented by the FBI. She never wanted to think about any of it. The bank had to spend a lot of money for therapy for all the workers in that branch who were so emotionally devastated by having someone they knew turn out to me a mass murderer.
 
Ethnikos said:
On 911 it was an open corridor straight into the basement of the WTC.
That is one of the biggest arguments against explosives, that everyone would see them bringing the stuff in. Well no, they could have brought it in in such a way where it would have been hidden.
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OK, fine. Brought in by an obscure rail line.

Now you've driven explosives into the 4th (IIRC) basement. How do you get a top down collapse from the point of the airplane impact zones from explosives in the basement again?
 
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AJM8125 said:
OK, fine. Brought in by an obscure rail line.

Now you driven explosives into the 4th (IIRC) basement. How do you get a top down collapse from the point of the airplane impact zones from explosives in the basement again?
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I'm not supporting any theories. I am like the bank teller, where something happened to me concerning 911 and what that thing was, is what is important for me to talk about, not theories.
I just thought I would toss that in about the line because it is something anyone can check, but somehow no one ever noticed.
 
Ethnikos said:
No, I know it from a personal friend of mine who knew Atta, working as a bank teller where the flight school he worked for did their banking. Atta was like the courier who did the paperwork and was there five days a week to make deposits and whatever. So she knew him very well. She is no conspiracy person and never paid any attention to any of that sort of thing and was not even into talking about it to anyone. She did decide to tell me her story one night when her husband told her how I was interested in 911. She did not even realize that what she witnessed went against the evidence presented by the FBI. She never wanted to think about any of it. The bank had to spend a lot of money for therapy for all the workers in that branch who were so emotionally devastated by having someone they knew turn out to me a mass murderer.
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If if i was to believe this bizarre story of someone you know, recalling afterwards that they may have seen Atta. Does she have any paperwork of him being there which should exist if he was in the bank that morning. What about bank video tapes. Did she see him ever again after that? Why would the bank spend money on therapy, and why are people emotionally devastated by this mass murderer if they have records and video of him being an innocent man in their bank at the time of the attacks.

There's lots of room for them to be mistaken and plenty of indication that either you or them are lying, that's why I don't believe your story. And even if i did, that doesn't even come close to proving that Atta was in Florida on 9/11, nor does it even do anything to prove that all 19 terrorists were innocent and in Florida on the morning of 9/11, as you have claimed to know "for sure".

To me that's more that one indication that your story doesn't ring true...

Your story is suspect at best and insufficient to supporting your claim at the least...
 
Ethnikos said:
No, I know it from a personal friend of mine who knew Atta, working as a bank teller where the flight school he worked for did their banking. Atta was like the courier who did the paperwork and was there five days a week to make deposits and whatever. So she knew him very well. She is no conspiracy person and never paid any attention to any of that sort of thing and was not even into talking about it to anyone. She did decide to tell me her story one night when her husband told her how I was interested in 911. She did not even realize that what she witnessed went against the evidence presented by the FBI. She never wanted to think about any of it. The bank had to spend a lot of money for therapy for all the workers in that branch who were so emotionally devastated by having someone they knew turn out to me a mass murderer.
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You are not very good at writing fiction.
 
Ethnikos said:
... What needs to be looked at is who, and I know that too. As with my other post, I know it was not 19 hijackers because they were still in Florida.
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What?
19 terrorists, they died on impact in NYC when they hit the WTC, in DC when they impacted the Pentagon, and in a PA when they got beat up by Flight 93 Passengers who figured out 911 first. Terrorists lost when the rules were figured out.

What are you talking about?
 
The Platypus said:
Your story is suspect at best and insufficient to supporting your claim at the least...
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I don't know what you find bizarre about the story. I mentioned on the earlier posts on this thread that the FBI collected the security camera tapes. She is dead certain on exactly when she saw Atta because agents came to her bank and interviewed her five times and went over the paperwork and if there is anyone who is meticulous about that sort of thing, it is banks. But to get it straight for those who may not have read the earlier post, it was 2:30 in the afternoon of the tenth, the day before 9/11. Attah came up to the drive through. I made small inserts on the map showing the building and anyone can go on Google earth and find it, using the coordinates, go on street view and see. He came up that day in the car driven by the owner of the flight school. Atta was riding in the passenger seat in the front and reached over while the driver just sat there. There were two other people who were in the back seat who she recognized as being the associates of Atta, who worked for the same business.
As for your questions, her word was counselling and therapy was my word, which I take as being the same thing. If you can't figure out why they would need that, then I can not explain it to you. That is what her husband told me, not her. She did say she was distraught over the whole thing and after that started crying.
She did not see Atta after that day, for obvious reasons. She did say to me that he was not in any way behaving out of the ordinary, that last day she saw him.
What sort of proof would you like? A paycheck stub with her name and the date and the address? I would have to ask. The reason I have not been talking about her previously is that I have been finally after I found out about the story two years ago, been given the go ahead to tell all this including her name and the address of where she worked. The address you can get by clicking on the building in google.
 
dafydd said:
You are not very good at writing fiction.
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Well it was a bit of a surprise to me and not anything I could have expected. Before this, if I brought up the topic of 911, they would just look away, indicating they were not interested in talking about it, then when they were expecting me over one night, the husband left the two of us alone in the dining room, saying, Jane has something to tell you, as he walked off into the living room to watch TV, completely ignoring us. So I did not have a note pad out, or a recorder, but I interviewed her as much as she could tolerate, to where she finally had to go to be alone in the bedroom to cry.
 
Ethnikos said:
Well it was a bit of a surprise to me and not anything I could have expected. Before this, if I brought up the topic of 911, they would just look away, indicating they were not interested in talking about it, then when they were expecting me over one night, the husband left the two of us alone in the dining room, saying, Jane has something to tell you, as he walked off into the living room to watch TV, completely ignoring us. So I did not have a note pad out, or a recorder, but I interviewed her as much as she could tolerate, to where she finally had to go to be alone in the bedroom to cry.
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Anecdotes are not evidence. The brother-in-law of one of the hijackers lives next door and swears that the alleged hijacker was visiting at the time of the attacks. He showed me a blurry photo. He broke down in tears. Do you believe me?
 
Ethnikos said:
I don't know what you find bizarre about the story. I mentioned on the earlier posts on this thread that the FBI collected the security camera tapes. She is dead certain on exactly when she saw Atta because agents came to her bank and interviewed her five times and went over the paperwork and if there is anyone who is meticulous about that sort of thing, it is banks. But to get it straight for those who may not have read the earlier post, it was 2:30 in the afternoon of the tenth, the day before 9/11. Attah came up to the drive through. I made small inserts on the map showing the building and anyone can go on Google earth and find it, using the coordinates, go on street view and see. He came up that day in the car driven by the owner of the flight school. Atta was riding in the passenger seat in the front and reached over while the driver just sat there. There were two other people who were in the back seat who she recognized as being the associates of Atta, who worked for the same business.
As for your questions, her word was counselling and therapy was my word, which I take as being the same thing. If you can't figure out why they would need that, then I can not explain it to you. That is what her husband told me, not her. She did say she was distraught over the whole thing and after that started crying.
She did not see Atta after that day, for obvious reasons. She did say to me that he was not in any way behaving out of the ordinary, that last day she saw him.
What sort of proof would you like? A paycheck stub with her name and the date and the address? I would have to ask. The reason I have not been talking about her previously is that I have been finally after I found out about the story two years ago, been given the go ahead to tell all this including her name and the address of where she worked. The address you can get by clicking on the building in google.
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Come on...:rolleyes: one of the mistakes you guys always make is you think the whole world is as gullible as you are...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Besides, you said you "knew" that all 19 where in Florida, even if i accept this ridiculous story, I don't for a sec, but even if I did, it doesn't even clear Atta. it places him and now suddenly 2 of his cronies, in florida the day before 9/11... he could have flown out that day... Bizarre how now you got the owner of the flight school driving these guys around to do their banking suddenly and how you leave out details that you hint at...

And then, what about the other 16 that you "know" where in Florida...

Face it, you don't "know" the 19 hijackers were in Florida on 911... You simply want to believe that...

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Nope, Jane's still too remote. You haven't personalized her, humanized her. Even a thumbnail literary sketch before your account goes a long way toward that.
 
Ethnikos said:
It does matter. It is not proof that it was done but that it could have. I am making a 3D representation of the whole area and have done extensive research to get the model right, and ran across this info while making the old Staten Island Ferry Terminal building. They built an entirely new level, underground, above the old subway station. At a certain point they closed the old track while they were getting the new track ready to go online. On 911 it was an open corridor straight into the basement of the WTC.
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Doesn't matter. You have 20/20 hindsight since the event already happened. Thousands of videos documented the event, and numerous engineering analyses have already provided feasible answers that don't require, nor point to the use of explosives in bringing down the buildings. Engineering analyses do not care if they were the first collapses of their kind caused by fire or impact damage; their stated purpose is to analyze what effect the damage had on the buildings and whether the damage they caused was sufficient to bring them down. In all cases, the conclusion is the same; no controlled demolition, only plane impact and fire for WTC 1 & 2, and fire for WTC 7.

"How they get things in" is a hypothetical which only becomes relevant once you've established that they were there in the first place. Why? Because with a wild enough imagination you can think up a million methods. You're discussing a cause which doesn't match the observed "effects."
 
Ethnikos said:
No, I know it from a personal friend of mine who knew Atta, working as a bank teller where the flight school he worked for did their banking. Atta was like the courier who did the paperwork and was there five days a week to make deposits and whatever. So she knew him very well. She is no conspiracy person and never paid any attention to any of that sort of thing and was not even into talking about it to anyone. She did decide to tell me her story one night when her husband told her how I was interested in 911. She did not even realize that what she witnessed went against the evidence presented by the FBI. She never wanted to think about any of it. The bank had to spend a lot of money for therapy for all the workers in that branch who were so emotionally devastated by having someone they knew turn out to me a mass murderer.
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Well I had a friend that knew her and he said she was a liar.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Doesn't matter. You have 20/20 hindsight since the event already happened. Thousands of videos documented the event, and numerous engineering analyses have already provided feasible answers that don't require, nor point to the use of explosives in bringing down the buildings. Engineering analyses do not care if they were the first collapses of their kind caused by fire or impact damage; their stated purpose is to analyze what effect the damage had on the buildings and whether the damage they caused was sufficient to bring them down. In all cases, the conclusion is the same; no controlled demolition, only plane impact and fire for WTC 1 & 2, and fire for WTC 7.

"How they get things in" is a hypothetical which only becomes relevant once you've established that they were there in the first place. Why? Because with a wild enough imagination you can think up a million methods. You're discussing a cause which doesn't match the observed "effects."
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They used their Jedi Knight Corps to teleport the explosives in. They could have ripped out the beams by mind power but that would give the game away.
 
The Platypus said:
Face it, you don't "know" the 19 hijackers were in Florida on 911... You simply want to believe that...
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I overgeneralized saying 19 but I was making a conjecture that they were going about normally as they had been, wherever they lived. I only know about three who she saw together. As for what the normal procedure was, I don't know. I basically know about her story based on one 45 minute interview. Other stuff I picked up from talking to her husband who is not emotionally involved in the story and can talk about it. He seems to have only a superficial interest in the story which would be expected from someone who never went looking into theories and would not care anything about it more than any average person. He just had this thing thrust into his life and deals with it as necessary which is in his case, not talking about it.
 
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