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Split Thread A full theory of 9/11

000063 said:
Nope, Jane's still too remote. You haven't personalized her, humanized her. Even a thumbnail literary sketch before your account goes a long way toward that.
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I don't want to talk about any more than there is interest in. I am talking about a real person who may be a little concerned about what I say.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
"How they get things in" is a hypothetical which only becomes relevant once you've established that they were there in the first place. Why? Because with a wild enough imagination you can think up a million methods. You're discussing a cause which doesn't match the observed "effects."
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I don't concern myself with that since I have a lot of stuff to be concerned about already.
I haven't even gotten into my experience on 911.
My thing about the tracks is that I am making this model of how everything was on that day. That is very tricky when it comes to the Staten Island Ferry Terminal building because what stands there today is not the same building that was there on 911. So to get a good model. I had to do a lot of study. In the precess of that study I found info on the track being closed and how the lines were re-routed because of that. I am just passing on that information so others can make use of it, something I have no particular interest in.
 
Ethnikos said:
I overgeneralized saying 19 but I was making a conjecture that they were going about normally as they had been, wherever they lived. I only know about three who she saw together. As for what the normal procedure was, I don't know. I basically know about her story based on one 45 minute interview. Other stuff I picked up from talking to her husband who is not emotionally involved in the story and can talk about it. He seems to have only a superficial interest in the story which would be expected from someone who never went looking into theories and would not care anything about it more than any average person. He just had this thing thrust into his life and deals with it as necessary which is in his case, not talking about it.
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Well it seems to me, either your lying or your friends are lying, because the fact is, Atta wasn't there on Sept 10th, and even in some delusion, if he was, it still doesn't mean him and 18 others didn't commit the tragedy of 911 the next day. So your claim of "knowing" they were in Florida and couldn't have done it is pure BS...

Do you expect people to dismiss facts and records and such, and throw all reality out the window because some anonymous guy on the internet, like you, says they have some friend that told them some other story... Seriously...

I may not be an expert in 911, but I'm far too old to be that gullible.
 
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Ethnikos said:
I don't concern myself with that since I have a lot of stuff to be concerned about already.
I haven't even gotten into my experience on 911.
My thing about the tracks is that I am making this model of how everything was on that day. That is very tricky when it comes to the Staten Island Ferry Terminal building because what stands there today is not the same building that was there on 911. So to get a good model. I had to do a lot of study. In the precess of that study I found info on the track being closed and how the lines were re-routed because of that. I am just passing on that information so others can make use of it, something I have no particular interest in.
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It should concern you if you plan on getting into a discussion about what you think happened to the buildings. I don't know the details of what exactly you're doing, but if it concerns the line of events, including how the towers collapsed, you're ultimately going to need to show that whatever you believe happened, took place the way you argue before can discuss the method. This is what the engineering reports on the buildings already do. If you don't explain the cause well, then explaining the method isn't going to serve much; you won't be able to hilight any loopholes or vulnerabilities that allowed it to happen
 
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AJM8125 said:
Ah. A no-claimer. I won't be wasting any more time, yours or mine, with this.
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I went for a walk with my dog and was thinking and I do have a theory. I normally don't think of it as a theory but technically it is. That has to do with this thing picked up on live TV filmed by a news chopper above Washington Square, headed south towards the towers. Sometimes it is called the orb and sometimes the UFO and sometimes the ball. I believe that there was a sort of adjustment made so that later it looked like an ordinary airliner. That's my theory, based on my observation of the actual airliner that hit the building which I had been watching since it came up over the horizon at the area of the Verrazano Bridge that spans the Narrows between Brooklyn/Queens and Staten Island. So the plane that hit the South tower was not dive-bombing but flying relatively level and straight, south to north. The angle of view being from Manhattan, south of the towers of the World Trade Center. So whatever got picked up by the chopper-cam was not that plane because I followed it all the way into the building.
 
The Platypus said:
Do you expect people to dismiss facts and records and such, and throw all reality out the window because some anonymous guy on the internet, like you, says they have some friend that told them some other story... Seriously...
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If someone wanted to investigate, they could find out if there are people working there still who were there in 2001, and find out if they went to post-traumatic counseling. I already gave the address. Check it out, don't just believe me. What I really want is someone to check it, and start a FOIA process to gain information on the account there of the Flight school and for documents with Atta's signature and then to ask for the security camera tapes.This is all stuff that can be checked and verified if someone actually cared, I am not an investigator or a lawyer who would know how to do a FOIA lawsuit.
 
Is there a twoofer contest this month on who can post the most insane ****
 
beachnut said:
You use Wiki to verify stuff?
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It's subway line information. Once you find the pertinent info there, you can proceed into further research to verify what Wikipedia says.
Just for someone who would find that useful to support their own theory. My interest is mostly in where the plane came form that hit the south tower.
Now I have a certain interest in what my friend told me.
You can also check the eyewitness reports of the people on the Police chopper who had the plane fly right under them. I have chatted with Carmen Taylor online and he saw practically the same thing, but she did not track it all the way. She caught something moving out of the corner of her eye, turned to look very briefly and then decided to wait for it to come close as she was getting her camera ready instead of looking at it.
 
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Ethnikos said:
It's subway line information. Once you find the pertinent info there, you can proceed into further research to verify what Wikipedia says.
Just for someone who would find that useful to support their own theory. My interest is mostly in where the plane came form that hit the south tower
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the sky
 
000063 said:
the sky
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Go to the site, New York Archetcture, and browse to the page for Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. Quote: "On the morning of September 11, 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was hijacked and flown directly over the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge en route to the World Trade Center."
 
Ethnikos said:
It does matter. It is not proof that it was done but that it could have. I am making a 3D representation of the whole area and have done extensive research to get the model right, and ran across this info while making the old Staten Island Ferry Terminal building. They built an entirely new level, underground, above the old subway station. At a certain point they closed the old track while they were getting the new track ready to go online. On 911 it was an open corridor straight into the basement of the WTC.
That is one of the biggest arguments against explosives, that everyone would see them bringing the stuff in. Well no, they could have brought it in in such a way where it would have been hidden. This is stuff that is not difficult to find and a year ago most of the info was in Wikipedia. Just do a search on Manhattan subway lines and follow all the links.
I'm not subscribing to any theory because I mentioned somewhere else I saw the second plane crash into the South tower, so I know exactly what happened. What needs to be looked at is who, and I know that too. As with my other post, I know it was not 19 hijackers because they were still in Florida.
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Prove the hijackers were still in Florida.
 
Ethnikos said:
If someone wanted to investigate, they could find out if there are people working there still who were there in 2001, and find out if they went to post-traumatic counseling. I already gave the address. Check it out, don't just believe me. What I really want is someone to check it, and start a FOIA process to gain information on the account there of the Flight school and for documents with Atta's signature and then to ask for the security camera tapes.This is all stuff that can be checked and verified if someone actually cared, I am not an investigator or a lawyer who would know how to do a FOIA lawsuit.
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Neither am I, nor most of the people here, so this is where you come for that... Gee... :rolleyes::rolleyes: Come on now. Why not go to a forum for lawyers and investigators and others would know how to do such things then... I wonder... *cough*bs*cough*

Besides it doesn't take a lawyer or an investigator to see that your just spewing crap. I could tell right off the bat, and then upon doing a little investigation, it took minutes to find out the real facts which verified it.

Do you think some actual lawyers and investigators would be easier to fool? I think not... I bet they would see your con coming a mile away.
 
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