Split Thread A full theory of 9/11

[Ethnikos]

Contrary to popular opinion seçretrs can be kept by thousands of insiders...for decades. That's without the FBI imposing gag orders of which they applied over 200,000 in America between 2003 and 2006. The figures are unavailable for 2001-20002

Manufactured evidence at the Moussaoui trial of the whereabouts of Atta.
I know this from a friend of mine who knew him in a business capacity, on a daily basis in Venice Florida, who dealt with him on the afternoon at 2:30 on September 10, 2001. This was recorded on surveillance video which the FBI collected and my friend was interviewed five different times about anything she knew about him.
Then they presented evidence in the trial saying he had not been in Venice for at least a month and a half before 911.

 

[Ethnikos]

*snip*
secretly transporting it huge distances to the towers and secreting it deep within the building. A vast army of workers, a huge secret industrial complex and then the thousands working in the towers oblivious to the reality of their fate.
*snip*

Very easily done.
Check the records and you find out the subway line from the Staten Island Ferry Terminal to the Twin Towers was closed for renovation, leaving an open corridor for bringing tons of stuff into the basement.

 

[Ethnikos]

I made a image from Google Earth as a visual aid to show the relationship of where Atta worked, to where my friend worked.

 

[bill smith]

Death Dart wrote
...........The worse thing that could happen is that one of the buildings wasn't hit by a plane at all. It is still wired for explosives, which will be certainly found.

Too much risk, not enough gain.

bill smith wrote
It could be that the biowarfare exercise 'Tripod 2' that took position at the Twin Towers the evening before 9/11 was there to cover for that very eventuality.
If the plane had missed the Tower (a very real possibilty) and piled into the ground the biowarfare people could have moved in and found that Anthrax or another biological agent had been released in the building.Full quarantine and evacuation of the immediate area would have protected any secrets that the building might have.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144954&page=271 thread

 

[DC]

spray on thermite? any evidence that this exists and works?

 

[scissorhands]

Death Dart wrote
...........The worse thing that could happen is that one of the buildings wasn't hit by a plane at all. It is still wired for explosives, which will be certainly found.

Too much risk, not enough gain.

bill smith wrote
It could be that the biowarfare exercise 'Tripod 2' that took position at the Twin Towers the evening before 9/11 was there to cover for that very eventuality.
If the plane had missed the Tower (a very real possibilty) and piled into the ground the biowarfare people could have moved in and found that Anthrax or another biological agent had been released in the building.Full quarantine and evacuation of the immediate area would have protected any secrets that the building might have.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144954&page=271 thread

Baby Jesus is crying, because you are lying.

 

[Oz1976]

Contrary to popular opinion seçretrs can be kept by thousands of insiders...for decades. That's without the FBI imposing gag orders of which they applied over 200,000 in America between 2003 and 2006. The figures are unavailable for 2001-20002

WWWWWhat? Please provide a link to the source of your 200,000 gag orders imposed "by the FBI" (since the FBI has no such power). And no, secrets can not be kept by thousands of "insiders"...

Some reading for you:

Watergate
Whitewater
Iran-Contra
Abu Grabe
The Cum Stained Dress of Monika Lewinsky
The Tuskegee Experiment
Project MKULTRA
Forced Sterilization in the US
Testimony of Nayirah

Those should keep you busy for a bit. Sorry Billy Boy but our government can't keep any secrets, and the scope of the conspiracy you've described makes it near impossible that it wouldn't have been discovered, especially 10 years later. This is reality, not the movies.

 

[dafydd]

spray on thermite? any evidence that this exists and works?

Well,you have spray on cheese over there so why not spray on thermite?

 

[bill smith]

WWWWWhat? Please provide a link to the source of your 200,000 gag orders imposed "by the FBI" (since the FBI has no such power). And no, secrets can not be kept by thousands of "insiders"...

Some reading for you:

Watergate
Whitewater
Iran-Contra
Abu Grabe
The Cum Stained Dress of Monika Lewinsky
The Tuskegee Experiment
Project MKULTRA
Forced Sterilization in the US
Testimony of Nayirah

Those should keep you busy for a bit. Sorry Billy Boy but our government can't keep any secrets, and the scope of the conspiracy you've described makes it near impossible that it wouldn't have been discovered, especially 10 years later. This is reality, not the movies.

Daniel Ellsberg, Governmant insider and whistleblower extraordinaire of the Pentagon papers. Privy to top level government secrets for many years Says:-

''It is a commonplace that "you can't keep secrets in Washington" or "in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you're likely to read it the next day in the New York Times." These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn't in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.'

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Court_sides_with_ACLU_strikes_down_1216.html Gag Orders

 

[BStrong]

Contrary to popular opinion seçretrs can be kept by thousands of insiders...for decades. That's without the FBI imposing gag orders of which they applied over 200,000 in America between 2003 and 2006. The figures are unavailable for 2001-20002

In a Hollywood movie.

In the real world, here's how it works:

"Hey Mike! over here! or are ya gonna make a liar out of the old lady?"

(first hand - code word secret - the wives were told by the husbands before deployment)

In my experience, everybody talks sooner or later, and if you believe any number of individuals could keep their mouths shut about something on the scale of 9/11 human cost wise, you're out of it too far to ever come back.

 

[BStrong]

Daniel Ellsberg, Governmant insider and whistleblower extraordinaire of the Pentagon papers. Privy to top level government secrets for many years Says:-

''It is a commonplace that "you can't keep secrets in Washington" or "in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you're likely to read it the next day in the New York Times." These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn't in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.'

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Court_sides_with_ACLU_strikes_down_1216.html Gag Orders

Let's see...

Ellsberg, who leaked large and wide, asserts that leaks don't happen...other than himself, of course.

 

[Dash80]

Well that was an anti-climax. Kind of like taking a super hot girl home, getting her knickers off, and realising she has a penis.s

Of course that might be a bonus... if you swing both ways

 

[Myriad]

Of course that might be a bonus... if you swing both ways

True.

A better simile for every claimed "full theory" offered by Truthers is that they are like taking a super hot girl home, getting her knickers off, and then realizing she is completely imaginary.

Any positive expectations you might have had, at this point, are entirely your own fault.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[sadhatter]

I will start wherever you want and follow that in the subsequent posts making a whole contiguous story. Well ?

See the problem with that is it avoids answering the questions we want you to.

If you post your full theory and you miss an important bit, we can say " Oh, it seems you missed that bit, so this may be why you believe X".

Now if we go with your story method, we are not finding out what you know, but rather how quick you can google, or prisonplanet search each question we give you.

What people want is your theory, from soup to nuts, in a post from you. It will show what areas you are lacking in your information, but you don't want to show that, hence why you want to go with the.... **** it, i am just calling it as it is. You want to just write a story, because a story, you can change at your whim with each question, using google to make yourself look like a genius. While if you post your theory in its entirety, we now know what questions you didn't ask and what things you don't find important.

 

[Craig4]

Very easily done.
Check the records and you find out the subway line from the Staten Island Ferry Terminal to the Twin Towers was closed for renovation, leaving an open corridor for bringing tons of stuff into the basement.

Could have doesn't matter. Prove that explosives were brought into the building. Show us explosive residue from the debris.

 

[sadhatter]

Complete nonsense in the bolded portion.

Any such arrangement would be public knowledge, and there would be proof everywhere from the original planning process to the insurance policies themselves.

Bill - you should save this stuff for a screenplay - that's where it belongs.

as a semi pro writer, your last part of your post rings very true with me.

I find myself flabberghasted at what people think "figuring it out" is, essentially every time i hear a ct'er go on, they are just writing, albeit in an impromptu manner, they are just making the story interesting and cohesive using a few points found in real life, no different from when i want to write a flick about some kind of creature, and i set it in an oil refinery, lets say. I find out a bunch of stuff about oil refineries and how they work, the people who work in them, and work that into a plot that is otherwise quite fantastical.

And these people always, when mentioned say " well i am no writer!", i just feel like i saw someone take out a 7 foot man with a well placed hip throw then hear them say " well i am not a martial artist!", no one is arguing that, but you have shown you can use a hip throw to great effect.

 

[Craig4]

Daniel Ellsberg, Governmant insider and whistleblower extraordinaire of the Pentagon papers. Privy to top level government secrets for many years Says:-

''It is a commonplace that "you can't keep secrets in Washington" or "in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you're likely to read it the next day in the New York Times." These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn't in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.'

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Court_sides_with_ACLU_strikes_down_1216.html Gag Orders

Don't care. Prove a conspiracy. Prove anyone besides Al Qaida and their supporters was responsible for planning and executing the attacks.

 

[bill smith]

See the problem with that is it avoids answering the questions we want you to.

If you post your full theory and you miss an important bit, we can say " Oh, it seems you missed that bit, so this may be why you believe X".

Now if we go with your story method, we are not finding out what you know, but rather how quick you can google, or prisonplanet search each question we give you.

What people want is your theory, from soup to nuts, in a post from you. It will show what areas you are lacking in your information, but you don't want to show that, hence why you want to go with the.... **** it, i am just calling it as it is. You want to just write a story, because a story, you can change at your whim with each question, using google to make yourself look like a genius. While if you post your theory in its entirety, we now know what questions you didn't ask and what things you don't find important.

I suggest that Readers start at page 1 of this thread and read my posts until early on page 2. IThere can't be more than a dozen relatively short and quite readable posts. By then they will have a fair idea of how 9/11 was pulled off.

 

[TJM]

Conspirator 2: We've developed a sweet little system especially for this, See these core columns coloured red on this plan ? Well we're poing to pump this stuff right INSIDE those selected hollow columns. Thev've all been sealed...no holes anymore. We may have to even fill them section by section right up as far as the 88th floor or so.

Conspirator 1: At night ?

Conspirator 2: Mostly I guess, but we could do it in the day too if we want, You just have to have those paint tanks on wheels full of the stuff. You wear overalls like maintenance guys and if anybody asks what uou're doing you just tell them it's to do with the fireproofing or painting or cleaning or something. It's only a matter of inserting a tube into a specially drilled hole and get pumping. Nobody will notice a thing.

Later that evening:

Security officer 1: I'm sorry, but I don't have any work scheduled for this evening, but I can call the property manager at home and see if it's just a mistake. Now what company are you guys with and what's the scope of the work to be performed?

Conspiracy defeated.

 

[The Platypus]

I suggest that Readers start at page 1 of this thread and read my posts until early on page 2. IThere can't be more than a dozen relatively short and quite readable posts. By then they will have a fair idea of how 9/11 was pulled off.

Quite far short of a full theory...