Split Thread A full theory of 9/11

[Ethnikos]

Prove the hijackers were still in Florida.

Three were spotted at Suntrust Bank in South Venice at 2:30 PM.
That is just what I was told by someone I know and someone who has no reason to lie about it.
I'm putting out what someone could investigate, based on this information as a place to start. I feel obligated to do that much. I don't feel obligated to prove it to the world because I can not. I outlined how I think someone could. If someone did want to investigate I could hook them up on further info and documents.

 

[Craig4]

Three were spotted at Suntrust Bank in South Venice at 2:30 PM.
That is just what I was told by someone I know and someone who has no reason to lie about it.
I'm putting out what someone could investigate, based on this information as a place to start. I feel obligated to do that much. I don't feel obligated to prove it to the world because I can not. I outlined how I think someone could. If someone did want to investigate I could hook them up on further info and documents.

Not good enough. Not good enough by a long shot.

 

[000063]

Go to the site, New York Archetcture, and browse to the page for Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. Quote: "On the morning of September 11, 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was hijacked and flown directly over the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge en route to the World Trade Center."

which is where they keep the sky

 

[The Platypus]

That is just what I was told by someone I know and someone who has no reason to lie about it.

Why do 911 kooks always use this pathetic old canard as if it was fool proof?

Fact is that humans lie for all sorts of reasons, and sometimes they even lie when they have no reason. I have no reason to believe you or your "friend" and many reasons i shouldn't.

Besides, evidence shows that Atta was not in Florida when you claim, he was in Maine and your lie doesn't even come close to proving your claim that all 19 hijackers were in Florida on the morning of 9/11 nor does it cast any doubt on the real facts of the situation.

 

[Ethnikos]

Why not go to a forum for lawyers and investigators and others would know how to do such things then... I wonder... *cough*bs*cough*

I just happen to be posting on jrandi so it is convenient. The idea is to just say what I know. It is not my concern what you do with it. I posted on this thread because the question was brought up if the government was capable of keeping secrets. My answer is, yes, based on this example. Download the PDF file of the evidence admitted in the Moussaoui trial. The whereabouts of Atta is mostly ATM card use. All electronic data, no real sightings that I could see, as in photos that should have been taken whenever he used an ATM machine.

 

[Ethnikos]

Besides, evidence shows that Atta was not in Florida when you claim, he was in Maine and your lie doesn't cover your claim that all 19 hijackers were in Florida on the morning of 9/11.

Which is a credit card that anyone could have been using, and a fuzzy camera shot of a monitor playing a security camera tape, at the ticket counter, which is not someone who looks like Atta to me.

 

[TexasJack]

I just happen to be posting on jrandi so it is convenient. The idea is to just say what I know. It is not my concern what you do with it. I posted on this thread because the question was brought up if the government was capable of keeping secrets. My answer is, yes, based on this example. Download the PDF file of the evidence admitted in the Moussaoui trial. The whereabouts of Atta is mostly ATM card use. All electronic data, no real sightings that I could see, as in photos that should have been taken whenever he used an ATM machine.

You mean like the picture of Atta at the airport on 9/11?

 

[Ethnikos]

Not good enough. Not good enough by a long shot.

No, that by itself is no proof. It works for me, but not for anyone else if they never follow up on it.

 

[Ethnikos]

You mean like the picture of Atta at the airport on 9/11?

Moussaoui was on trial and they just needed to establish some connection to the hijacking. If Atta was on trial they would have needed better evidence. What they had was mostly circumstantial.

 

[TexasJack]

Moussaoui was on trial and they just needed to establish some connection to the hijacking. If Atta was on trial they would have needed better evidence. What they had was mostly circumstantial.

The evidence they had on Atta would convict him 10 times over.

So a picture of Atta ready to board a connecting flight to Logan Flight 11 doesn't convince you of him not being in Florida on 9/11? And that he indeed was on that flight?

 

[The Platypus]

Three were spotted at Suntrust Bank in South Venice at 2:30 PM.
That is just what I was told by someone I know and someone who has no reason to lie about it.
I'm putting out what someone could investigate, based on this information as a place to start. I feel obligated to do that much. I don't feel obligated to prove it to the world because I can not. I outlined how I think someone could. If someone did want to investigate I could hook them up on further info and documents.

And for some reason in 10 years you haven't found anyone to spend the time to investigate this so you come to a little skeptics forum... Yeah right

There is nothing to investigate, your story is not true.

 

[The Platypus]

No, that by itself is no proof. It works for me, but not for anyone else if they never follow up on it.

I did follow up on it... I looked up the facts about Atta's movements, and i read your account of this friend. And there is no doubt that your story isn't true.

Besides, you used a lie to back up a lie, and doesn't even do a good job at that.

You claimed all 19 were in Florida on 9/11 and couldn't have done and that you "know" this. Meanwhile your story to prove this, is that your friend supposedly saw Atta, and 2 others, with a flight school owner driving them (bizarre), at the bank the day before 911...

 

[Ethnikos]

The evidence they had on Atta would convict him 10 times over.

So a picture of Atta ready to board a connecting flight to Logan Flight 11 doesn't convince you of him not being in Florida on 9/11? And that he indeed was on that flight?

I downloaded what was presented as evidence. If it was a trial of Atta, and I was on the jury, and that was the only evidence, I would vote to acquit.

 

[Craig4]

No, that by itself is no proof. It works for me, but not for anyone else if they never follow up on it.

It's not important if it works for you or not. If you want to say they were in Florida provide evidence to put them there.

 

[Craig4]

I downloaded what was presented as evidence. If it was a trial of Atta, and I was on the jury, and that was the only evidence, I would vote to acquit.

Well it's a good thing we have jury selection in the US. Weeds out the cranks.

 

[Ethnikos]

And for some reason in 10 years you haven't found anyone to spend the time to investigate this so you come to a little skeptics forum... Yeah right

There is nothing to investigate, your story is not true.

I only found out about it probably two and a half years ago. I know I said two years earlier so don't say you caught me. It takes a while to think about this because I am not in the habit of talking about this too much. I have and small amounts at a time, what I was allowed to. Now I have the OK to divulge more info so this is something that happened in the last two days.
From my experience over the last six months, talking to various people, there is a small interest but not someone who is willing or have the time to do a full investigation themselves. So I don't have high hopes for general acceptance, so skeptics are as good as anyone to talk about it.

 

[beachnut]

.... My interest is mostly in where the plane came form that hit the south tower.
Now I have a certain interest in what my friend told me.
You can also check the eyewitness reports of the people on the Police chopper who had the plane fly right under them. I have chatted with Carmen Taylor online and he saw practically the same thing, but she did not track it all the way. She caught something moving out of the corner of her eye, turned to look very briefly and then decided to wait for it to come close as she was getting her camera ready instead of looking at it.

I know where all the planes came from. Flt 11, 175, 77 and 93. We have their RADAR data, multiple RADAR sites tracking all 4 planes while airborne, from take off to impacts.

 

[Ethnikos]

I know where all the planes came from. Flt 11, 175, 77 and 93. We have their RADAR data, multiple RADAR sites tracking all 4 planes while airborne, from take off to impacts.

Flight 175 is the one of interest to me. There is also info on all the helicopters in the area. Some of these people in choppers saw the one that ran into the south tower, and they consistently describe it as coming from the south, flying low and level. This is at variance to the dive-bomber plane that supposedly performed a corkscrew maneuver in order to barely hit the south facing wall of the tower.

 

[beachnut]

Flight 175 is the one of interest to me. There is also info on all the helicopters in the area. Some of these people in choppers saw the one that ran into the south tower, and they consistently describe it as coming from the south, flying low and level. This is at variance to the dive-bomber plane that supposedly performed a corkscrew maneuver in order to barely hit the south facing wall of the tower.

What angle was the dive? What corkscrew maneuver. The RADAR data shows the terrorists pilot lining up 40 miles out over New Jersey, he saw the WTC towers from 40 miles, they are the biggest targets in the NYC sky that day, you can see them on the ground from 20 miles away, what are you making up?


Are you this gullible all the time, repeating false junk with no real parameter, just a term, "corkscrew", this case a 40 miles straight in approach done by a murderer on his first flight and last flight, ended by crashing. Crashing... the easiest maneuver to end a flight ever invented.

 

[Ethnikos]

What angle was the dive? What corkscrew maneuver. The RADAR data shows the terrorists pilot lining up 40 miles out over New Jersey, he saw the WTC towers from 40 miles, they are the biggest targets in the NYC sky that day, you can see them on the ground from 20 miles away, what are you making up?


Are you this gullible all the time, repeating false junk with no real parameter, just a term, "corkscrew", this case a 40 miles straight in approach done by a murderer on his first flight and last flight, ended by crashing. Crashing... the easiest maneuver to end a flight ever invented.

I find it interesting that you would say that. You agree with my basic premise, which is that a terrorist would not attempt a difficult maneuver and would try to do it in way that had the best chance for success. I disagree on the New jersey thing, though, and that the "official" version places it over Staten Island which technically is New York. I agree with the Staten Island part and that is how I saw it and not "directly" over the bridge at the narrows but probably a quarter to a half mile into the island from Verrazano. That would line up with a line drawn perpendicular to the south wall of the south tower.
ETA: You may find some people disagreeing with you on this tomorrow.