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dafydd said:
What happened to the passengers? They were real people,did they volunteer to disappear or were they taken care of?
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They would still be on the plane that flew into the buildings. I mean it's remote control hijacked, what does this have to do with anything?
 
tmd2_1 said:
Maybe because hitting those targets was hard.
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It wasn't. Much easier than your standard landing. The Towers were two 110-story buildings in the heart of Manhattan. It would've been harder to miss them.

Those planes were maxed out speed wise, and under trained pilots were able to hit those building that square? For the pentagon it's hard to keep it off the ground while still being lower then the roof.
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Texas sharpshooter. They didn't have to hit them in any particular place. Just hit them, period.

Are all three of these possible, yes from I read it would have been very difficult for experienced pilots to do, let alone under trained, and by all reports of the one at the pentagon...a bad pilot.
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Well, that's strange. From what I've read, from pilots on JREF, it's very easy. I could probably fire up Flight Sim and do it right now.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Let me make this as clear as possible
Here is a copy of the e-mail I'll hi lite the important part.


I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy.
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What you've made clear is you can't comprehend what's been written in that paragraph. So will you be contacting Tully Construction with your inquiry, like I've suggested for the third time now?

tmd2_1 said:
Believe what you want about the time of the collapse.
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Small progress, there may be hope yet.

tmd2_1 said:
Watch the videos I provided of Gross lying, as I said there's a black mass that looks like an awful lot like molten steel, besides the two guys saying it was molten steel.

Those guys weren't lying, Gross was simple as that.
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Again, by what process did they determine this "meteorite" contains molten steel? Show me proof.
 
tmd2_1 said:
You... . I've proved everything I have said...have said no lies... ...

Then you have the FBI that say we have no hard evidence against Bin Laden. By implication that would mean the tapes are forgeries....but that's all ok, and I'm the delusional one. Unbelievable really.
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You have not proved anything.

It is a lie that the flying was done top notch, it was not.

Now you make up another lie saying the tape was a forgery, when UBL freely admits it was him, it was his buddies. FBI wanted UBL for worldwide terrorist acts. Is NYC part of worldwide? yes

UBL said...
On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."
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Why do you make up lies for UBL?
 
tmd2_1 said:
It would only take a few security agents at the airport. They could have done in the night before, and we are talking about software may have gone un-noticed. Or maybe some maintenance folks were in on it as well. I don't know how it was done, I do know if the security at it's highest levels was in on it, it could have been done. Can I prove the security was in on it no, but security at all 3 air ports was run by the same company ICTS. Coincidence? you be the judge.
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I highlighted all the points of yours that are conjecture or innuendo. Just to help.
 
tmd2_1 said:
My God it's right here...."I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]

The implication is that what happened at the pentagon took some degree of skill...which he evidently did not have. It's from the New york times...take it up with them.
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So, shut us up and show the "precision flight path". What was so damn good about it? The records are there, what's so hard about what was done. Easy thing to do. He was flapping around and changing altitude like a rank amateur.

I can show you this.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I never said I could provide that quote. See my other posts...the article all but says it could be done and how to do it. A likely perp had access, and Boeing won't comment citing national security concern. You do the math.
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So in other words you have no evidence at all that any 756/767 was rigged for remote control, nor can you explain how this could be done to an airliner without the airline knowing about it.

Tell me again why, when confronted with "The Official StoryTM vs. The TruthTM, you picked the side with no evidence whatsoever? :rolleyes:
 
AJM8125 said:
What you've made clear is you can't comprehend what's been written in that paragraph. So will you be contacting Tully Construction with your inquiry, like I've suggested for the third time now?



Small progress, there may be hope yet.



Again, by what process did they determine this "meteorite" contains molten steel? Show me proof.
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You sound like somebody who needs to know how the 'meteorites' came to be AJ. Would you like me to post the answer ?
 
000063 said:
Yes, because people who are being accused of failing to protect the country would voluntarily keep silent about the part of the attacks when they actually managed to protect the country.

The OS directly involves less than two-dozen perps. Any CT requires the direct involvement of dozens, if not hundreds. The OS is simpler.

It did.

Just what I was thinking.

Or you could, y'know, link to all three of those. Actually present evidence.
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Let's say the official story is true (for what I'm about to say it doesn't really matter) with the exception that 93 was shot down. You don't think people would be a little upset it took them that long to respond? You don't think they would want to keep that secret, by giving some BS about why they couldn't respond at all. If you believe in the theory I presented you would even want to keep it a secret more, because the pentagon would be a total Bush administration idea. If you can't see this we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
tmd2_1 said:
You people are amazing really, I one person have to prove beyond all doubt...below a level that it can't be proven any further. I've proved everything I have said...have said no lies...I apologized for coming on to strong about the remote control planes. But painted a very good picture that they almost certainly could be made (the website lays out the blue print) the comptroller had access to the planes, Boeing gave a interesting statement of not commenting because of national security reasons. All of this means nothing you still want more. John Gross flat out lies, but that's ok.


Then you have the FBI that say we have no hard evidence against Bin Laden. By implication that would mean the tapes are forgeries....but that's all ok, and I'm the delusional one. Unbelievable really.
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tmd2_1 you seem like a fairly nice guy, but what you have presented so far is a bunch of little dots that may (or may not) be factual. However, you can't tie them together in a way that makes sense. If you make claims, you have to back them up. Factoids don't constitute a workable theory unless you can link them into something believable

Once again, we've heard it all before here. You've brought nothing new to the table, IMHO.
 
DGM said:
So, shut us up and show the "precision flight path". What was so damn good about it? The records are there, what's so hard about what was done. Easy thing to do. He was flapping around and changing altitude like a rank amateur.

I can show you this.
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Did you even read the website I showed you?

Right here along with many other descriptions of what he did.

Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]

Ask the Washington Post for who their experts were and then ask them.
 
WildCat said:
I'm sorry, I don't read "wall of text"-type posts.

Try hitting your "enter" key every now and then, hopefully prior to the start of another coherent thought.
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Well, in his defense, he did. Hence, the lack of breaks in that paragraph.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Did you even read the website I showed you?

Right here along with many other descriptions of what he did.

Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]

Ask the Washington Post for who their experts were and then ask them.
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You believe the MSM? LOL, the terrorists pilots had poor flying skills, there was NO extrodinary skill show on 911 from the terrorist pilots, to say otherwise exposes your lack of knowledge, lack of research, failure to look at the FDR, and ignorance on flying. You are using hearsay to back up your fantasy. The Post is hearsay, the experts did not study the data. You made a mistake.

Turning off the transponder? LOL, the terrorist had manuals for the 757/767. There goes that failed claim.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Did you even read the website I showed you?

Right here along with many other descriptions of what he did.

Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]

Ask the Washington Post for who their experts were and then ask them.
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You do realize that the hijackers were trained pilots, don't you? :rolleyes:
But they were still poorly flown.
 
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