Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[tmd2_1]

Sorry, didn't see anything there that talked about a 757/767 being modified with the CTS technology. Can you point it out for me?

Also, did this technology exist in 2001? I can't find out from looking at the company's web site.

Listen see the above posts....right now most of you are just surprised I didn't say something like....well yeah it could be on auto-pilot. It's unbelievable just because they existrd doesn't mean they were used...that's all you have to say. It is that hard to let go...of one of your beliefs? I mean really.

 

[Oystein]

Listen see the above posts....right now most of you are just surprised I didn't say something like....well yeah it could be on auto-pilot. It's unbelievable just because they existrd doesn't mean they were used...that's all you have to say. It is that hard to let go...of one of your beliefs? I mean really.

Strawman. That is not at all what we say.

We say: They did NOT exist - in 757s and 767s. Therefore they were not used.
Get it?
And if you install such a system (that must first be designed, built, tested... adding hundreds of co-conspirators and folks in the know), it would be VERY obvious to maintencance and flight crews, making their use impoossible, unless you include all these crews in the list of co-conspirators, too.

 

[tmd2_1]

Strawman. That is not at all what we say.

We say: They did NOT exist - in 757s and 767s. Therefore they were not used.
Get it?
And if you install such a system (that must first be designed, built, tested... adding hundreds of co-conspirators and folks in the know), it would be VERY obvious to maintencance and flight crews, making their use impoossible, unless you include all these crews in the list of co-conspirators, too.

*sigh* the articles all but spelled out how to do it. Pretty much said they were in existence...I am sorry that is how I should have phrased it before. Thank you for pointing that out to me (truly no sarcasm) You have Boeing saying they can't comment because of national security concern. You do the math.

Again I do apologize for coming on too strong about that they were in existence...you are right there's not 100% proof they were in existence...but when you put it all together...it still doesn't look good.

 

[WildCat]

There is more then enough evidence, that given a fair trial and truly impartial jury,to create reasonable doubt. I mean there's so much evidence...no prosecutor would even bring it to trial.

Except there already has been one trial, and the only hijacker unable to carry out his mission was found guilty. Odd, he never even tried to claim it was remote control airplanes, dancing Jews, thermite, or whatever flavor of "truth" you subscribe to.

Since your statement above has been proven wrong, do you retract it?

 

[tmd2_1]

Except there already has been one trial, and the only hijacker unable to carry out his mission was found guilty. Odd, he never even tried to claim it was remote control airplanes, dancing Jews, thermite, or whatever flavor of "truth" you subscribe to.

Since your statement above has been proven wrong, do you retract it?

No I said a fair trial and impartial jury and I'll add someone that is not mentally ill.

 

[beachnut]

Wow just wow. You asked if I have taken a a chemistry class, and question my research skills. Well I have to question your reading skills. I was quoting an e-mail from Mark Loizeaux about pictures and video. As far as actual video..see the links I provided about John Gross. This may be hard for seeing as you had trouble finding the word Sulfur, but you can try.
Yes Hani was a poor pilot hence why what happened at the pentagon is hard to believe he flew it. I just read the entire UBL interview from CNN (before as I said I was just going by memory.)

Here is a quote from the interview, asked if he would attack American civilian in Saudi Arabia or soldiers, he only mentions attacking soldiers.

Q) Do you think there will be more bombing attacks on American troops in Saudi Arabia? or attacks on American civilians in Saudi Arabia? or will there be assassination attempts on the Saudi Arabian ruling family?

BIN LADIN: It is known that every action has its reaction. If the American presence continues, and that is an action, then it is natural for reactions to continue against this presence. In other words, explosions and killings of the American soldiers would continue. These are the troops who left their country and their families and came here with all arrogance to steal our oil and disgrace us, and attack our religion. As for what was mentioned about the ruling (Saudi) family those in charge, do bear the full responsibility of everything that may happen. They are the shadow of the American presence. The people and the young men are concentrating their efforts on the sponsor and not on the sponsored. The concentration at this point of Jihad is against the American occupiers.

As far as cell phone calls go, I'm not sure what is "substantial" or not. But Ceecee lyles who is one of the few recorded calls, came from her cell phone, her husband has stated so.

I really believe this may be my last response to you.

UBL said he would kill women and kids, Americans. He made an exception just for America. You don't do research, you do fantasy.

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

Hani was a poor pilot but crashing into the Pentagon was not indicative of having any flying skills past first time in a real jet. Nothing hard about flying jets, I have flown people in the seat in a large jet who have never flown and they were able to fly. I have taken kids into large jet simulators and they were able to his smaller targets in a plane that is tougher to fly than a 757/767. You were fooled into thinking the terrorists flew some fantastic maneuvers. You might be gullible as you continue to repeat lies from 911 truth unabated, faster than free-fall. You are gullible, and can't show me a maneuver done by the terrorist pilots on 911 that required skill past entry level.

Now you push lies about aircraft, aircraft tracked by RADAR from take off to the murder of all on board. You need to use reality based evidence no opinions you form from liars in 911 truth.

Show us the photos of melted steel bucketed out of the WTC, and the video please, or is this another problem of you being gullible and repeating false information freely and without reservation.

 

[DGM]

Again I do apologize for coming on too strong about that they were in existence...you are right there's not 100% proof they were in existence...but when you put it all together...it still doesn't look good.

You're almost coming around (although I suspect you don't realize it). Now all you have to do is convinse us there's a reason to suspect the planes were "remote controled".

 

[tmd2_1]

UBL said he would kill women and kids, Americans. He made an exception just for America. You don't do research, you do fantasy.



Hani was a poor pilot but crashing into the Pentagon was not indicative of having any flying skills past first time in a real jet. Nothing hard about flying jets, I have flown people in the seat in a large jet who have never flown and they were able to fly. I have taken kids into large jet simulators and they were able to his smaller targets in a plane that is tougher to fly than a 757/767. You were fooled into thinking the terrorists flew some fantastic maneuvers. You might be gullible as you continue to repeat lies from 911 truth unabated, faster than free-fall. You are gullible, and can't show me a maneuver done by the terrorist pilots on 911 that required skill past entry level.

Now you push lies about aircraft, aircraft tracked by RADAR from take off to the murder of all on board. You need to use reality based evidence no opinions you form from liars in 911 truth.

Show us the photos of melted steel bucketed out of the WTC, and the video please, or is this another problem of you being gullible and repeating false information freely and without reservation.

*sigh* What lie did I promote about A/C did you see my last post...I said I was wrong and got carried away with saying they were in existence...I should have said something like the articles state they are pretty much in existence. Gives a blue print on how to do it. A lot of circumstantial evidence such as the comptroller having access to the planes. Boeing not commenting citing national security concerns....you do the math.

 

[WildCat]

*sigh* the articles all but spelled out how to do it. Pretty much said they were in existence...I am sorry that is how I should have phrased it before. Thank you for pointing that out to me (truly no sarcasm) You have Boeing saying they can't comment because of national security concern. You do the math.

Again I do apologize for coming on too strong about that they were in existence...you are right there's not 100% proof they were in existence...but when you put it all together...it still doesn't look good.

Can you quote the part of your link that says a 757/767 can be remote controlled?

I'm guessing the answer is "no". Not that this will bother you. You'll cling to your beliefs as if it were your religion, which it may well be.

 

[WildCat]

No I said a fair trial and impartial jury and I'll add someone that is not mentally ill.

What were the flaws of the trial? Have you informed his defense attorneys? You think you're a legal expert now also?

 

[tmd2_1]

You're almost coming around (although I suspect you don't realize it). Now all you have to do is convinse us there's a reason to suspect the planes were "remote controled".

Top notch flying skills, by bad pilots for one. How can I possibly prove that they were remote controlled? I gave a hell of a case that it could be done in fact pretty much was done. Showed a likely perp had access to the planes and remote control technology. Also showed the manufacturer of the planes won't give a response, citing national security concerns. As I said like it would be such a national security concern to say yeah that's a regular jet. No..I believe you are the one who is coming around, really look within yourself...try to let go of the dogma you believe. That doesn't mean saying the official story is false, just be open to alternative theories. If you notice I have never said the official story is false, just that I believe the evidence points to something else. Is it that hard to be open to alternative theories.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

All you have to do is PROVE explosives can survive the impact of the aircraft and subsequent fire.
One should be careful playing games like this. I'm a Mech Eng and this is merely a technical problem and one that would be likely be easy enough to solve.


One could for example simply encase the explosives in a thick steel case lined with a very good insulator, like that of the shuttle tiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system

some would get destroyed by the impact but most would not and all they would have to do is survive 1 hour of fire (in the case of WTC1 and 2.)

Even setting them off wouldn't really be a problem as they could simply have synchronized multiple timing devices. each charge has say four timers and a circuit that won't set of the charge unless 3 of the four timers agree.

so having charges that survive the impact and fire is a mere technical problem and one that any half competent engineer could solve given time and money. The engineer might not even need to know what the application is, just the design requirements.

However that would not solve the problem as to how they would install all these hundreds of charges, all without anyone noticing AND leaving no signs afterwards that the beams were cut and no signs of the charges and their enclosures and timing devices. THEN ensuring the dozens (hundreds?) of people that would necessarily be involved in just that phase alone, all keep quiet and stay quiet.

Anyone presented with such a plan would simply say "wouldn't it be simpler to just con 19 religious nuts to fly planes into the towers etc and let the uncontrolled fires take them down? I mean didn't the hard fought Meridian fire nearly take down that tower? and worst case even if they stay up we still have a terrorist attack that is more than enough excuse to invade some desert place that doesn't have any oil?


Twoofers like the CD idea just because it is so complex, this is just a symptom of their affliction not a requirement in a real mega evil NWO, shape shifting lizard, Illuminati or Wombles plot.

 

[tmd2_1]

Can you quote the part of your link that says a 757/767 can be remote controlled?

I'm guessing the answer is "no". Not that this will bother you. You'll cling to your beliefs as if it were your religion, which it may well be.

I never said I could provide that quote. See my other posts...the article all but says it could be done and how to do it. A likely perp had access, and Boeing won't comment citing national security concern. You do the math.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Listen see the above posts....right now most of you are just surprised I didn't say something like....well yeah it could be on auto-pilot. It's unbelievable just because they existrd doesn't mean they were used...that's all you have to say. It is that hard to let go...of one of your beliefs? I mean really.

Well, I've been aware that old Air Force jets could be flown on remote control well before 2001, but I assume they took massive modifications to make that possible (they were used to tow targets for gunnery practice). So you haven't suprised me that it's possible.

I think you should just drop this remote control aspect, since you seem to admit that just because the tech existed, doesn't mean that it's a reasonable scenario for 9/11.

In fact, you seem rather confused about a lot of aspects of what happened on 9/11. Like someone else said, you keep throwing things out hoping something will stick.

Hate to tell you, but you haven't presented one single new idea that hasn't been heard before at the JREF forum. Few of those ideas have held up against scrutiny. Those that have seem to have not had any importance regarding the overall conclusions of the "official story".

 

[DGM]

Top notch flying skills, by bad pilots for one.

Why don't you start here? Show how AA77 final 270 deg. turn was "top notch". It was poor at best. Do you need the radar (or FDR tack) info?

 

[BStrong]

Top notch flying skills, by bad pilots for one. How can I possibly prove that they were remote controlled? I gave a hell of a case that it could be done in fact pretty much was done. Showed a likely perp had access to the planes. Also showed the manufacturer of the planes won't give a response, citing national security concerns. As I said like it would be such a national security concern to say yeah that's a regular jet. No..I believe you are the one who is coming around, really look within yourself...try to let go of the dogma you believe. That doesn't mean saying the official story is false, just be open to alternative theories. If you notice I have never said the official story is false, just that I believe the evidence points to something else. Is it that hard to be open to alternative theories.

I don't know about your criteria, but my definition of "top notch" flying skills would involve landing well.

 

[bill smith]

All you have to do is PROVE explosives can survive the impact of the aircraft and subsequent fire.
One should be careful playing games like this. I'm a Mech Eng and this is merely a technical problem and one that would be likely be easy enough to solve.


One could for example simply encase the explosives in a thick steel case lined with a very good insulator, like that of the shuttle tiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system

some would get destroyed by the impact but most would not and all they would have to do is survive 1 hour of fire (in the case of WTC1 and 2.)

Even setting them off wouldn't really be a problem as they could simply have synchronized multiple timing devices. each charge has say four timers and a circuit that won't set of the charge unless 3 of the four timers agree.

so having charges that survive the impact and fire is a mere technical problem and one that any half competent engineer could solve given time and money. The engineer might not even need to know what the application is, just the design requirements.

However that would not solve the problem as to how they would install all these hundreds of charges, all without anyone noticing AND leaving no signs afterwards that the beams were cut and no signs of the charges and their enclosures and timing devices. THEN ensuring the dozens (hundreds?) of people that would necessarily be involved in just that phase alone, all keep quiet and stay quiet.

Anyone presented with such a plan would simply say "wouldn't it be simpler to just con 19 religious nuts to fly planes into the towers etc and let the uncontrolled fires take them down? I mean didn't the hard fought Meridian fire nearly take down that tower? and worst case even if they stay up we still have a terrorist attack that is more than enough excuse to invade some desert place that doesn't have any oil?


Twoofers like the CD idea just because it is so complex, this is just a symptom of their affliction not a requirement in a real mega evil NWO, shape shifting lizard, Illuminati or Wombles plot.

You definately sound like somebody who needs to know how the thermite was planted unseen whether all the office workers were there or not. Maybe a hundred tons of it. Quick and easy.
Would you like me to post how it was done ?

 

[beachnut]

*sigh* What lie did I promote about A/C did you see my last post...I said I was wrong and got carried away with saying they were in existence...I should have said something like the articles state they are pretty much in existence. Gives a blue print on how to do it. A lot of circumstantial evidence such as the comptroller having access to the planes. Boeing not commenting citing national security concerns....you do the math.

You did not retract your delusional claptrap. Access to the planes?

You missed UBL declaring war on women and children, you thought the pilots flew fancy maneuvers, you think sulfur was "on" the steel, you think there was melted steel but can't post photos, what is next on the 911 truth worse claims review?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

If you notice I have never said the official story is false, just that I believe the evidence points to something else. Is it that hard to be open to alternative theories.

But thats where you are wrong, there is zero credible evidence that points to anything else. You finding it credible is irrelevant as the overwhelming number experts or even half competent practitioners in the field do not agree. For example A&E911 so called 1500 experts is less than 0.1% of those in the field and since about 1% of Americans are schizophrenic is not surprising that some experts are also nuts......in fact you are 10X more likely to be insane than agree with A&E911!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I never said I could provide that quote. See my other posts...the article all but says it could be done and how to do it. A likely perp had access, and Boeing won't comment citing national security concern. You do the math.

So you think Boeing are helping coverup the murder of 3000 Americans?