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tmd2_1 said:
As I said before in my estimation the most likely scenario is that the pentagon was planned by the upper echelons of the Bush administration, while other much more evil people planned the WTC taking advantage of the confusion because of war games etc.... Mossad agents likely planted the explosives in the buildings. Do not get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for Jewish people, if it were Mossad agents, they were just a tool brain washed into thinking that this needed to happen to secure the future of Israel. The real planners would have been people of all races, I'll just call them elites...looking to start endless war, and bring in a Police state. No one can argue our civil liberties have greatly diminished since that day. Let me try to address some of what was in that post. Voice morphing software was available at that time. See this article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

Israel has attacked the US before (it cleverly states on U.S. but it makes no difference where the attack happened)...again don't get me wrong...these were brainwashed people. See these two articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lavon_Affair and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident From what I read all survivors don't think this was an accident.

I may post more later...about this...getting physically tired right now.
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You're not answering the question. Is the hypothetical Noah presented any more likely than the official story?
 
bill smith said:
sheeplesnshills said:
You definately sound like somebody who needs to know how the thermite was planted unseen whether all the office workers were there or not. Maybe a hundred tons of it. Quick and easy.
Would you like me to post how it was done ?
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Absolutely:D

and then you can tell us how all the enclosures, triggering devices and cut beams vanished as well:rolleyes:

and then how and why the 1000 plus people involved were kept quiet..:rolleyes:
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tmd2_1 said:
Top notch flying skills, by bad pilots for one. How can I possibly prove that they were remote controlled? I gave a hell of a case that it could be done in fact pretty much was done. Showed a likely perp had access to the planes and remote control technology. Also showed the manufacturer of the planes won't give a response, citing national security concerns. As I said like it would be such a national security concern to say yeah that's a regular jet. No..I believe you are the one who is coming around, really look within yourself...try to let go of the dogma you believe. That doesn't mean saying the official story is false, just be open to alternative theories. If you notice I have never said the official story is false, just that I believe the evidence points to something else. Is it that hard to be open to alternative theories.
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Time to get off the pot. Show us the "top notch" flight track data.

My quess is someone told you this and you bought it sight un-seen.

Prove me wrong.
 
BStrong said:
bill smith said:
Your fantasy construct will do fine.
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My wish is your command.



Conspirator 1: There must be a hundred tons of that nanothermite paint stuff on those pallets of barrels. How are we supposed to plant that in the Trade Centres without being seen ?

Conspirator 2: We've developed a sweet little system especially for this, See these core columns cooloured red on this plan ? Well we're poing to pump this stuff in right INSIDE those selected hollow columns. Thev've all been sealed...no holes anymore. We may have to even fill them right up as far as the 88th floor or so.

Conspirator 1: At night I suppose ?

Conspirator 2: Mostly I guess, but we could do it in the day too if we want, You just have to have those paint tanks on wheels full of the stuff. You wear overalls like maintenance guys and if anybody asks what uou're doing you just tell them it's to do with the fireproofing or painting or cleaning or something. It's only a matter of inserting a tube into a specially drilled hole and get pumping. Nobody will notice a thing.

Conspirator 1: How will they spark it off then.

Conspirator 2: programmable Electronic detonators and redundant relays all over the place. No sweat.

Conspirator 1: Speak for yourself boss. Me and the boys will be the ones dragging these things around.
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carlitos said:
Checking in from my truth sabbatical ... I saw my first real world evidence of the so-called truth movement. A billboard on I40 near the AZ / NM border says, quoting in full: ae911truth.com. Yay truth movement. Also apparently Alex Jones is on satellite radio.

That is all.
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I just want to add to this. Having now driven 2,000 miles across America I can add a "9/11 was an inside job" bumper sticker on a stop sign in rural Oklahoma. As ever, it appears that the irrelevance is a feature, not a bug.

The only general discussion I'd appreciate from the resident truthers here is their thoughts on their movement / belief system's complete absence from the real world. Shouldn't they either be frustrated or working to change things?
 
sheeplesnshills said:
So you think Boeing are helping coverup the murder of 3000 Americans?:eek:[/QUOTE

In a previous post I said Boeing would not be involved....I just don't think it's in Boeing's best business interest to say something like yeah there's something strange about that Jet.
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tmd2_1 said:
Top notch flying skills, by bad pilots for one. How can I possibly prove that they were remote controlled? I gave a hell of a case that it could be done in fact pretty much was done. Showed a likely perp had access to the planes and remote control technology. Also showed the manufacturer of the planes won't give a response, citing national security concerns. As I said like it would be such a national security concern to say yeah that's a regular jet. No..I believe you are the one who is coming around, really look within yourself...try to let go of the dogma you believe. That doesn't mean saying the official story is false, just be open to alternative theories. If you notice I have never said the official story is false, just that I believe the evidence points to something else. Is it that hard to be open to alternative theories.
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What a load of BS. There were no top notch flying skills on 911. Zero. This is a lie based on ignorance.
The planes were not remote controlled, the FDR show 77 and 93 were flown into the ground from inputs from the pilot. You don't do research, save the lies you dredged up from the delusional world of 911 truth.

Cell phones can work in flight - the call you specified, she made one from the seat back and one on her cell. I know cell phones work in flight, I am a pilot and have used one in flight. 911 truth truthers have videos of them using cell phones to prove they don't work and showed video of the calls connected. oops
Which 911 truth lies will you not be repeating today?
 
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tmd2_1 said:
sheeplesnshills said:
So you think Boeing are helping coverup the murder of 3000 Americans?:eek:[/QUOTE

In a previous post I said Boeing would not be involved....I just don't think it's in Boeing's best business interest to say something like yeah there's something strange about that Jet.
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Why? Would it be to protect the airlines? Maybe the pilots? You really are just fishing for a fit to your belief.

Got that evidence of "precision flying" yet"

:rolleyes:.
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tmd2_1 said:
Amazing you don't need to prove anything, yet I've been asked to prove things numerous times, have done that..or at least offered evidence for it. But you just say it is this way, and that's fine. As I said come back when you have your video.
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It's called Moving the Goalposts. You just keep demanding evidence, and when your opposition gives up or wises up, you can say they don't provide evidence. The advantage of this fallacy is that you never have to actually provide your own evidence, ever, or admit you're wrong about anything.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
That site quotes Pilots for 9/11 truth. I quit reading at that point.

Again, tmd2_1. You've presented nothing new. I'm willing to bet every single point in that article has already been discuss on this forum.

Please use the search function.
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What's worse. The story shows it was not flown with "precision".
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Well, I've been aware that old Air Force jets could be flown on remote control well before 2001, but I assume they took massive modifications to make that possible (they were used to tow targets for gunnery practice). So you haven't suprised me that it's possible.

I think you should just drop this remote control aspect, since you seem to admit that just because the tech existed, doesn't mean that it's a reasonable scenario for 9/11.

In fact, you seem rather confused about a lot of aspects of what happened on 9/11. Like someone else said, you keep throwing things out hoping something will stick.

Hate to tell you, but you haven't presented one single new idea that hasn't been heard before at the JREF forum. Few of those ideas have held up against scrutiny. Those that have seem to have not had any importance regarding the overall conclusions of the "official story".
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DGM said:
Why don't you start here? Show how AA77 final 270 deg. turn was "top notch". It was poor at best. Do you need the radar (or FDR tack) info?
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BStrong said:
I don't know about your criteria, but my definition of "top notch" flying skills would involve landing well.
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000063 said:
You're not answering the question. Is the hypothetical Noah presented any more likely than the official story?
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You people are amazing really, I one person have to prove beyond all doubt...below a level that it can't be proven any further. I've proved everything I have said...have said no lies...I apologized for coming on to strong about the remote control planes. But painted a very good picture that they almost certainly could be made (the website lays out the blue print) the comptroller had access to the planes, Boeing gave a interesting statement of not commenting because of national security reasons. All of this means nothing you still want more. John Gross flat out lies, but that's ok.


Then you have the FBI that say we have no hard evidence against Bin Laden. By implication that would mean the tapes are forgeries....but that's all ok, and I'm the delusional one. Unbelievable really.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I never said I could provide that quote. See my other posts...the article all but says it could be done and how to do it. A likely perp had access, and Boeing won't comment citing national security concern. You do the math.
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What happened to the passengers? They were real people,did they volunteer to disappear or were they taken care of?
 
tmd2_1 said:
I just said remote control. Why would they stay silent...well maybe because they would be asked why they didn't prevent the others especially the pentagon.
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Yes, because people who are being accused of failing to protect the country would voluntarily keep silent about the part of the attacks when they actually managed to protect the country.

Other planes did show up..listen to witness accounts. Listen read my example I make the "official" plot sound much difficult then you have it, mostly because it really is.
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The OS directly involves less than two-dozen perps. Any CT requires the direct involvement of dozens, if not hundreds. The OS is simpler.

In terms of the pentagon...I doubt the official version. Some jet air-liner could have crashed into it,
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It did.

but I don't know.
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Just what I was thinking.

Look at lloyde england's testimony and that doofus in the tv studio with a piece of the plane. While a photo taken by an official military photographer places him else where at the time.
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Or you could, y'know, link to all three of those. Actually present evidence.
 
tmd2_1 said:
You people are amazing really, I one person have to prove beyond all doubt...below a level that it can't be proven any further. I've proved everything I have said...have said no lies...I apologized for coming on to strong about the remote control planes. But painted a very good picture that they almost certainly could be made (the website lays out the blue print) the comptroller had access to the planes, Boeing gave a interesting statement of not commenting because of national security reasons. All of this means nothing you still want more. John Gross flat out lies, but that's ok.


Then you have the FBI that say we have no hard evidence against Bin Laden. By implication that would mean the tapes are forgeries....but that's all ok, and I'm the delusional one. Unbelievable really.
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Funny how you have to say this to nearly everyone you meet. Huh?

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DGM said:
What's worse. The story shows it was not flown with "precision".
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My God it's right here...."I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]

The implication is that what happened at the pentagon took some degree of skill...which he evidently did not have. It's from the New york times...take it up with them.
 
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