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EHocking said:
Anecdotes are not evidence.
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It IS evidence, just not "scientific".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

In science, anecdotal evidence has been defined as:
"information that is not based on facts or careful study"[2][verification needed]
"non-scientific observations or studies, which do not provide proof but may assist research efforts"[3]
"reports or observations of usually unscientific observers"[4]
"casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis"[5]
"information passed along by word-of-mouth but not documented scientifically"
 
King of the Americas said:
It IS evidence, just not "scientific".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

In science, anecdotal evidence has been defined as:
"information that is not based on facts or careful study"[2][verification needed]
"non-scientific observations or studies, which do not provide proof but may assist research efforts"[3]
"reports or observations of usually unscientific observers"[4]
"casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis"[5]
"information passed along by word-of-mouth but not documented scientifically"
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I can't see where that disagrees with my statement.

Why are you arguing the point anyway?

Oh yes, this is why. You are pretending that you have presented evidence - but only if we your redefinition of evidence.
This thread asks participants to 'accept' that all the anecdotes ...are indeed true.
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If you are trying to argue that I haven't provided you enough evidence, then this thread isn't for you.
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King of the Americas said:
Whoever wrote this is WRONG:

GeeMack said:
Absolutely not. The person making the claim that aliens exist is responsible for supporting it. The OP has described some ridiculous scenarios and made some outrageous claims about an alleged -- but not demonstrated -- reality. He has offered nothing but arguments from incredulity and ignorance to support those claims. It is not up to anyone else to show why a fantasy isn't real. It is up to the person describing something that appears to be a fantasy to show that it is real. This burden of proof thing is grade school stuff. People shouldn't get past about 12 years old without understanding it. Unfortunately too many do. And plenty of them believe in aliens.
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First, "I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALIENS."
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First, by any reasonable interpretation of the term "aliens" in contemporary English, and as it has been used by you throughout this and other threads, you certainly appear to believe in aliens.

Second, 'I' am evidence that 'they' (non-human E.T. intelligent beings) exist.
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You are? Star Person, perhaps?...

VisionFromFeeling said:
This is a subject that is very personal and private to me, we are discussing the very fabric of my identity and I am not so sure I want to submit that to the JREF Forum Skeptics chopping block. As a Star Person, I relate to most of the emotions and conflicts that transgender people experience, as, in a sense, it is being a person that is not the same as what the body is. There are many parallels. One does not agree that the face and body is what one really looks like as a person, and one will want to make alterations to the body in order to look more on the outside as one does on the inside. Growing up one is told who they are, that is based on what others see when they look at you, and what they want to see, yet much of it strongly contradicts with who you are and you oppose it. The most classic aspect of this is that all my life I have insisted that I was an old person, I did not have a number for this but I used to say that I was 300 years old or 400 years old. I still feel that way, but I do not say it. :p I still can not relate to younger persons or persons my age, and all of my friends are much older than me. I am 26 and my boyfriend is 69, and "there is no age difference".

I have many times in my life wished that I wasn't this way, but it's the person I am and it is non-detachable. I can not be replaced by being someone else. There is so much more to this story but I hesitate to bring out the most intimate and precious aspects of my life here to be handled in the way that most of the topics introduced here are. :)

The "story" that goes with being a Star Person does not to me involve having any different DNA. The thought is that it involves the incarnation of a person from another world, but please let's not talk about that. Just accept that I am what you call a Star Person, and it is not a mental illness, it is me. And there have been things that suggest evidence that this is more than the artifact of a human mind.
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You probably don't really want to go there.

Rramjet has provided plenty of evidence from a variety of sources.
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That is patently false. Arguments from incredulity and ignorance are not evidence. They are logical fallacies.

There exists in EVERY form of media you can think of 'record' of non-human E.T. intelligence.
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I take it by the quote marks that you apply a different meaning to the word "record" than other people might. But using any reasonable, rational interpretation in contemporary English, that statement is simply not true.

That said this thread is NOT about arguing upon whether or not it is intelligent to ignore so much information from such a wide range of sources throughout time. I've personally created a fallacy just for folks like you. It is called the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy".
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Let's review that comment, shall we? You've personally created a logical fallacy called the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy". You personally created it? Okay, most of us will probably go along with that.

This thread asks participants to 'accept' that all the anecdotes about a non-human E.T. existence are indeed true, and asks that retorts be focused on techniques or manners of inviting 'them' to descend (again, as it were).
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Yet when people follow up on the premise "that all the anecdotes about a non-human E.T. existence are indeed true", they get ignored and insulted. So although the participants may have been asked to accept that premise, it would be a lie to suggest that you're accepting their acceptance.

I've provided another similar example about how an as of yet un-contacted tribe might flag down a plane passing over. How would or could the tribe let it be known to those in the L.W.B. to land?
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And we've asked you to tell us, in your fictional scenario of summoning the aliens, how those made up entities communicate...

GeeMack said:
I think whoever made up the scenario left out some very important points. All the responses so far have answered to the fantasy. Nobody said this, that, or the other thing was against the rules. Do these made up aliens understand English, French, Morse Code? Can they read sheet music? Are they able to perceive varying frequencies of light, radio waves, sound? Do they see everything in black and white, red and blue, a range of colors far beyond our own ability to see colors? Are they a million miles away, a thousand, hiding behind the moon, just outside our atmosphere but cloaked and invisible? Do we have to wait for them to come through a time hole or from another dimension? Can we send our request through that time hole or into that other dimension? Psychically? By smell? With shapes? Does a cake with varying thicknesses of layers mean something to these made up aliens? And that's just getting started.
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Yet those requests have been met with abject ignorance.

If you are trying to argue that I haven't provided you enough evidence, then this thread isn't for you. Go away.
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Is there an echo in here?...

 
bruto said:
We have no real evidence that calendars aren't a human invention. Why do you think the ancients were too stupid to invent a calendar by themselves?
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I've argued that some of the ancient monuments were created with a now absent advanced technology.

Building the monumental calenders we have may well have been done by other hands.
 
King of the Americas said:
Ever read this:

329 BC:
Alexander the Great, via his historians: told of 2 strange
objects in the sky that dived repeatedly at his army as they
were attempting a river crossing. (Jaxartes River). The action
so panicked his elephants, horses, and men they had to abandon
the river crossing until the following day. They were described
as great silver shields, spitting fire around the rims.
Contributed by Thon"

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If it is accurate, this is 'them' trying to deter or otherwise direct or misdirect an advancing army.
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Cool story man. Pass the bong.
 
bruto said:
We have no real evidence that calendars aren't a human invention. Why do you think the ancients were too stupid to invent a calendar by themselves?
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According to Kota all that these hidden super beings did was carve a few stones. Considering all the things that mankind has invented,we do very well without them. Of course we are still awaiting evidence of their existence.
 
King of the Americas said:
I've argued that some of the ancient monuments were created with a now absent advanced technology.

Building the monumental calenders we have may well have been done by other hands.
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You've argued the point, but not convincingly. Imagining what "may well have" happened long ago falls far below the level even of anecdotal evidence.

Astronomy is often referred to as "the first science," because it appears that studying, identifying and predicting the movements of the stars and planets is one of the first organized intellectual pursuits of many cultures. It doesn't take an influx of extraterrestrials to figure out why this is, and it would be much more of a surprise to find that at least a few ancient cultures did not develop sophisticated calendars.
 
King of the Americas said:
This thread asks participants to 'accept' that all the anecdotes about a non-human E.T. existence are indeed true, and asks that retorts be focused on techniques or manners of inviting 'them' to descend (again, as it were).

I've provided another similar example about how an as of yet un-contacted tribe might flag down a plane passing over. How would or could the tribe let it be known to those in the L.W.B. to land?
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I know that is what you have written but that is not how you have responded. I posted a number of ways after makings some basic assumptions about the nature and motivations of ‘them’. The suggestions I made diverged wildly and did not agree with any of the ones you appear to have considered. You have yet to respond to these remarks except in a dismissive way. Why are my methods of attracting ‘their’ attention any less valid than yours? At this point all we have is ‘they’ exist and have chosen to remain largely hidden from view.

In order to discern what we can do to motivate or urge another into action you have to understand something of the nature of that person or thing. What underlying assumptions are you harboring regarding these beings that you have failed to include that would render my suggestions earlier invalid in your mind.
 
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Waterman said:
I know that is what you have written but that is not how you have responded. I posted a number of ways after makings some basic assumptions about the nature and motivations of ‘them’. The suggestions I made diverged wildly and did not agree with any of the ones you appear to have considered. You have yet to respond to these remarks except in a dismissive way. Why are my methods of attracting ‘their’ attention any less valid than yours? At this point all we have is ‘they’ exist and have chosen to remain largely hidden from view.

In order to discern what we can do to motivate or urge another into action you have to understand something of the nature of that person or thing. What underlying assumptions are you harboring regarding these beings that you have failed to include that would render my suggestions earlier invalid in your mind.
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My apologies. Which 'serious' techniques or manners of invitation did you offer?
 
King of the Americas said:
I've personally created a fallacy just for folks like you. It is called the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy".
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At least you now admit that you have created it (or have you done so before?). This is a good first step, so maybe all hope is not lost. The problem still remaining is that you are exactly the one showing to be willfully ignorant.

If you are trying to argue that I haven't provided you enough evidence, then this thread isn't for you. Go away.
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Sorry, I'm not aware of a rule in the membership agreement that says that posters have to follow the wishes of the O.P., therefore I see no reason why anyone should do so.
Especially not if the opening post is such a clear attempt to try to stop any opposition, and that on a forum with the goal to support critical thinking, while not even you as the opening poster are willing to follow that made-up rule yourself.
If I'm wrong with that assumption, I ask you to consider that the F.S.M. personally told me not to try to make contact to your gods at all (remember, we shall pretend that ALL anecdotes regarding strange sky entities are true), otherwise it would get angry and destroy the whole planet within some seconds. Please pretend that to be true and react accordingly. Will you?

Of course you can always ask the mods via the Report button to give you support and delete the messages of all the meanies that do not agree with your stance.
But I'll play along one time just for the fun of it:

dafydd said:
A fever,which killed him.
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Will you please stop to mention facts in this thread? This is not what the thread is about! It's about childish fantasies!

Better, KotA?
 
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