Merged Their Return

[dafydd]

You're gonna try and pass off plated metals as gold? Just how hi tech are these aliens?

I did try to point that out to him earlier on.

 

[Correa Neto]

Good point.

Maybe we should just etch e-freakin'-normous sky-birds on the desert floor somewhere, so they know that we know they are up there.

I suspect that would work.

Pyramids! We should build pyramids!

Oh, no, wait, we can't. Modern technology can't build them. Lets go back to birds and monkeys.

 

[King of the Americas]

I can't force myself to wade through 11 pages of this, so sorry if this has been asked already, but...

Let's assume for a moment that this did actually happen—that we had a "moment skyward," and whaddaya know, the aliens actually did descend, and turned out to be friendly and didn't immediately begin exterminating us. This would bring an abrupt end to the Olympics, as well as to pretty much every other non-essential human endeavor on the planet except for dealing with the fact that friggin' aliens just landed. So why would the Olympic committee consider adding an activity whose only two possible outcomes would be A) to waste time and make them look silly, or B) to cancel the thing they've spent many billions of dollars and man-hours putting together?

IF they did land, I don't think anyone could successfully predict the outcome, except to say that everything would change.

 

[King of the Americas]

History hasn't done this, and your continued silence on any evidence affirms that.

You haven't ever convinced a single person of your belief in Aliens,
...

History is chalked full of tales, pictures, paintings, and even videos of 'non-human heavenly agents', that you and other skeptics refuse to interpret these as such, is YOUR deficiency.

"I' don't believe in "aliens"...for the millionth time!

 

[King of the Americas]

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Why do you think "they" will care about gold or silver plated metals?

Why do you think "they" will land if everibody looks at the sky?

Why do you think your highly questionable interpretation of bits of history, ancient art and myths is correct and will be shared by the folks in charge of the games?

'Cause they are pretty.

'Cause they need an opportunity to be seen by enough people, that no government could deny their existence.

'Cause it is the TRUTH.

 

[dafydd]

'Cause they are pretty.

'Cause they need an opportunity to be seen by enough people, that no government could deny their existence.

'Cause it is the TRUTH.

No it isn't.

 

[King of the Americas]

No it isn't.

I have been privy to evidence you have not.

You are wrong.

 

[Correa Neto]

'Cause they are pretty.

Nope. You (as well as most of mankind) PERCEIVE them as pretty for a number of reasons, most of them quite probably related to culture. No one can be sure if an alien would subscribe to the same set of aesthetic criteria and rules we do. The same is valid for ethics, etc. Not to mention I bet we can find people who would think the medals are ugly.

'Cause they need an opportunity to be seen by enough people, that no government could deny their existence.

Nonsense. All "they" would need is a mothership hovering for about one hour (probably even less) over any one of the larger cities of the world at any time. Instant global media coverage, undeniable by any government and a larger attention focus you'll ever be able to build.

'Cause it is the TRUTH.

Oh, really? So why your highly questionable interpretation is not mainstream? Why it fails to convince us, for example?

Sorry, but the "'Cause it is the TRUTH" sounds like a desperate maneauver from someone who's only able (probably barely) to convince him/herself during a debate.

 

[Nonpareil]

History is chalked full of tales, pictures, paintings, and even videos of 'non-human heavenly agents', that you and other skeptics refuse to interpret these as such, is YOUR deficiency.

All you're doing here - and in all the posts that you made afterwards - is asserting that these stories are not only about your proposed intraterrestrials but correct in their entirety.

There is no evidence supporting this. You need to prove that they are correct before you can say that they are. Otherwise you're just assuming your conclusion.

 

[King of the Americas]

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Nonsense. All "they" would need is a mothership hovering for about one hour (probably even less) over any one of the larger cities of the world at any time. Instant global media coverage, undeniable by any government and a larger attention focus you'll ever be able to build.

Oh, really? So why your highly questionable interpretation is not mainstream? Why it fails to convince us, for example?

Sorry, but the "'Cause it is the TRUTH" sounds like a desperate maneauver from someone who's only able (probably barely) to convince him/herself during a debate.

Unless the ship landed, and the non-human pilots exited the vehicle, "skeptics" would claim, there was no such ship. That it could have been a blimp, mass delusion, or a hoax of some sort. Something floating in the air isn't proof of anything...

Without a body or the actual ship, skeptics CAN'T be convinced of anything. Pictures, videos, or 10,000 reports of the same event all saying the same thing = "squat".

Being skeptical means you get to complete dismiss and or ignore evidence without verifiable proof. So, as long as the craft didn't land, so that people could touch and test it and its contents..."It didn't happen and doesn't exist."

 

[GeeMack]

Unless the ship landed, and the non-human pilots exited the vehicle, "skeptics" would claim, there was no such ship. That it could have been a blimp, mass delusion, or a hoax of some sort. Something floating in the air isn't proof of anything...

Without a body or the actual ship, skeptics CAN'T be convinced of anything. Pictures, videos, or 10,000 reports of the same event all saying the same thing = "squat".

Being skeptical means you get to complete dismiss and or ignore evidence without verifiable proof. So, as long as the craft didn't land, so that people could touch and test it and its contents..."It didn't happen and doesn't exist."

Nonsense. Constructing a strawman like that is dishonest. The skeptical position is that until there is objective evidence to suggest something exists/is true, it is reasonable to take the position that it is not. And when all the "evidence" consists of arguments from incredulity, arguments from ignorance, and anecdotes from less than credible witnesses, it is wholly irrational to expect skeptics to buy into the UFOlien fantasy.

 

[King of the Americas]

... And when all the "evidence" consists of arguments from incredulity, arguments from ignorance, and anecdotes from less than credible witnesses...

This blanket characterization of ALL evidence of U.F.O.'s is utter garbage.

Ignorance is a skeptic's best tool.

 

[RoboTimbo]

This blanket characterization of ALL evidence of U.F.O.'s is utter garbage.

Ignorance is a skeptic's best tool.

Didn't you give a blanket generalization that no aliens are involved? From where does this special knowledge derive?

 

[King of the Americas]

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You need to prove that they are correct before you can say that they are...

Not in this thread. Here we are assuming, without verifiable evidence, that all the anecdotes are correct. They exist.

If you don't wish to partake, go away.

 

[carlitos]

Ah, any good virus takes several days to a week to incubate. By the time they are suffering symptoms we'll be starting the closing ceremonies.

You seem to be claiming that you know something about alien epistemology. I'd suggest your expertise in the subject is about as thin as your understanding of canine bilateral communication.

 

[GeeMack]

Not in this thread. Here we are assuming, without verifiable evidence, that all the anecdotes are correct. They exist.

Actually it would be a lie to state that "we are assuming, without verifiable evidence, that all the anecdotes are correct". Several times people have offered reasoned replies based on some anecdote or other only to have their replies rudely and flippantly rejected as being off topic or irrelevant.

You're new, so allow me to explain how wrong you are.

That you found the need to post, but not offer a solution reeks more of laziness, than intellectualism.

Clearly you don't want to play, so get out of way.

Start your own thread! This is a 'how to get the E.T's to descend', if the anecdotes are all correct, thread.

If you don't wish to take part, you may leave.

Your wit is only exceeded by your lack of originality.

It is no longer a wonder why I had you on my ignore list...

If you don't want to take part in the actual intended discussion, excuse yourself.

As retorts go, this one is neither funny, nor informative.

"Don't retreat, reload."

Take another shot buddy, I think you've got something useful in you, we just have to figure how how to get it past your ego.

Nothing I've asked for or of you has been dishonest or hidden.

I have repeatedly asked you to either take part in the intended discussion, or GO AWAY.

If you continue with your present course, you'll go back on my ignore list.

You sound a little paranoid, dude...

...Thank you for your input, regardless of how utterly useless.

And we can add this...

If you don't wish to partake, go away.

 

[carlitos]

If all the stories are true, maybe I should have been worried for the athletes, and not the aliens.

A remarkable incident that occurred in Brazil in 1996. Opinions remain divided on whether this was a media-led hoax or genuine stuff but at the time several eye-witnesses and home movies came forward. UFO’s had been seen in the sky followed shortly by sightings of strange creatures roaming the streets. One such alien creature was shot dead by military officers and removed in a sack, while another was spotted by three young girls. They described it as “1.6 metres (5 ft), with a large head and very thin body, with V-shaped feet, brown skin, and large red eyes. It seemed to be wobbly or unsteady, and the girls assumed it was injured or sick. The creature was said to have a strong, unpleasant odor”. The corpse of a strange creature was found two days later. n autopsy is believed to have been carried out in a secure laboratory at Sao Paulo University before both creatures were flown to the U.S in an unmarked airplane. A soldier who was involved in the capture of one of the creatures then died weeks later of an unknown bacterial infection.

 

[King of the Americas]

You seem to be claiming that you know something about alien epistemology. I'd suggest your expertise in the subject is about as thin as your understanding of canine bilateral communication.

I don't believe in aliens!!!

 

[carlitos]

all the anecdotes are true?

So, lets pretend for a moment that all the anecdotes ARE accurate,

I don't believe in aliens!!!

A quick google search gives me a few alien explanations:

Then even further beyond our reports of beings from Andromeda Galaxy who are light-energy bodies who teleport or project anywhere in galaxies and can manifest physically as anything from a humanoid being to a goddess to a tree or a symbolic animal. There are also beings found in crashed flying saucers who are so ugly by military standards that they have disguised their true looks with a super-tight fitting very real looking organic suit that resembles a better looking alien than they themselves really are ..... or they surround themselves with laser holographs that look so real that witnesses believe these aliens look like humans rather than monsters or little demons. According to decades of pain-taking research by scientists like Jackes Vallee and researchers like John Keel, many of the ells, trolls, fairies, menehunies, and other so-called mythological creatures of old were really aliens using these disguises to manipulate the cultures of those times in a form more easily relevant in those centuries. There were also monster flying dragons and serpents and other monsters spitting fires who were the creations of aliens using laser holograms to fool primitive societies. And there are also reports of part human part animal/fish/bird/reptiles creatures that are actually bizarre genetic creations of bizarre real life forms... real scary creatures of the night.


However, apart from very EARLY Earthly interaction from Vega and the Lyra realms, the dominant replaying MAJOR alien interaction on our planet for the last 100,000 years involves the Sirians, Pleideans, Orions, Zetas, Centaurians (since 15,000 BC only), and last but not least a race we have not yet covered .... the Nibirians- If you are not familiar with these other races please read Volume 3 of this series about interplanetary colonization's about the History of the Golden Ages and how there is no shortage of ancient writings to prove this story really happened.

Sitchin reports the Nibrians are from an ancient 12th planet in our solar system called Nibiru, and that they landed on Earth in prehistoric times hundreds of thousands of years ago and mined the Earth for gold and other minerals, established a spaceport in what today is the Iraq-Iran area, and lived in a kind of idealistic society as a small colony. They returned when Earth was more populated and genetically interfered in our indigenous DNA to create a slave-race to work their mines, farms, and other enterprises in Sumeria, which was the so-called Cradle of Civilization in out-dated pre-1980s school history texts. Later on the Nibirians also used behind-the-scenes power-plays to manipulate the Egyptians and certain other empires along with the Sirians. They played gods too and played a heavy ruling hand in Babylonia, Persia, Mesoamerica, and other lands, using their advanced technology to make primitive peoples believe they were gods.


All of our 218 visiting races come from nearby in our galaxy, most from our own arm Orion, and just a few from the neighboring two arms. But there is an endless amount of intelligent life throughout all of the universes.


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I'm starting to suspect that your original post was not what it seemed to be.

 

[King of the Americas]

Didn't you give a blanket generalization that no aliens are involved? From where does this special knowledge derive?

No.

I have merely argued that there is no need to REQUIRE that 'they' be alien or have traveled interstellar distances to arrive here.