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Nightline Debate: Does Satan Exist?

six7s said:
And HOW do you, kurious_kathy, accept that we are born into a fallen world?

You create an intricate fantasy world that so thoroughly obscures and distorts reality that you actually forget that the rest of us can't see, touch, taste, hear or smell your delusions...

No

Of course not

God is a myth, remember? You fashioned him in your own image from smoke and twisting, turning, infinitely looping mirrors
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No siz7's God is certainly no myth and one day you will have to stand before him and give an answer to why you denied his gift of grace. Jesus died to save us all!

And how I know sin is real is because I see where sin led me before Christ. He saved me from a fate worse than the first death. All I deserve is hell but somehow in the midst of my pain 4+ years ago Jesus intervened in my life , showed me mercy, and turned my life back around to follow him and his truth. He is the only way anyone can come to God!
 
kurious_kathy said:
No siz7's God is certainly no myth and one day you will have to stand before him and give an answer to why you denied his gift of grace. Jesus died to save us all!

And how I know sin is real is because I see where sin led me before Christ. He saved me from a fate worse than the first death. All I deserve is hell but somehow in the midst of my pain 4+ years ago Jesus intervened in my life , showed me mercy, and turned my life back around to follow him and his truth. He is the only way anyone can come to God!
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So after a recent conversion you began proselytizing here. I'd say that shows you were wholly unprepared, and still are.
 
kurious_kathy said:
No siz7's God is certainly no myth
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Really?

It seems to me that you simply believe it...

If you actually knew that your god is NOT a myth, you would be able to prove it

But you can't, can you?

Until you can and do dispense with your delusions and begin to think, you will remain a self-deluding liar
 
kurious_kathy said:
No siz7's God is certainly no myth and one day you will have to stand before him and give an answer to why you denied his gift of grace. Jesus died to save us all!
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As often is the case, Ambrose Bierce is the authority on the subject.

Ambrose Bierce said:
MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from the true accounts which it invents later.
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Kathy, I'm still waitingfor your response to my question on spiritual warfare and Ephesians 6.
 
Lucian said:
Comparing talking to a dog to trying to have meaningful communication on Rapture Ready is a horrific insult to dogs. First of all, you can tell by the way they tilt their heads and gaze earnestly at you that dogs are really trying to understand what you're saying. And obviously, dogs are much more kindhearted and forgiving.
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Interesting point.

Has anyone seen a dog with a starry-eyed look? I would sure recognize the look if I would see a dog having it.
 
TimCallahan said:
Okay, the obvious question is: How do you know this is the word of God? One would assume that might involve it being true, among other things. Leaving out the internal contradictions ofthe New Testament, historical inaccuracies found particularly in Acts and the often word-for-word quoting of miracle stories from the Septuagint; lets just deal with demons and Satan.

I am assuming that part of the truth you believe in is the description of spiritual warfare in Ephesians 6:10 - 16. Let us just consider verses 11 and 12 for a start:

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So, do you believe that you are actually day-to-day locked in spiritual warfare with demons? Do you believe that the "world rulers of this present darkness" refers to actual national leaders of today, and, if so, which ones? Finally, if you do believe at least in the gist of the verses above, what is your evidence of spiritual warfare and demonic atttack? Hopefully, it's something better that the testemony of Nightline's brain-fried ex-hooker. (Actually, given her streaked, peroxided hair and rather sexy affect, I wonder how much "ex" she really is.)
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Sorry Tim I did not see this. Yes I believe we are in a spiritual battle against evil and the power behind it which is Satan and his demons. Everyone outside of Christ cannot see this battle, but we who are in Christ do.

And I like Paul have a thorn in my flesh which is a constant reminder of this battle. Paul was knocked off his horse, I lived through being handed over (to the evil one) to help me cry out to the Lord and repent which seems a bit like the hookers story but just a little different. I had to confront my demons (like she did) but I was not raped by them. Demons cannot indwell a true believer but they will try.

Do you know what Paul's thorn in the flesh was?
 
Since Paul doesn't tell us what his thorn in the flesh was, nobody really has any idea what it might have been. I will assume it was a physical symptom. Beyond that I won't speculate.

Let's take this back to Ephesians 6:12 where Paul says that the believers of his day were contending against the "world rulers of this present darkness." The present darkness he was speaking of was in the 1st. century. We are now living in the 21st. How do you square spiritual warfare today with what paul was talking about 20 centuries ago? This is particularly a problem when you consider that Paul alludes several times to the end of the world taking place in his generation, as Jesus does in his apocalyptic pronouncements in the gospels. The imminence of the apocalypse is in fact a constant theme throughout the New Testament.

If you think the present darkness extends to today, who are the world rulers who you think support it?

Finally, since you claim to see, or at leas experience some way, the demonic hosts we unbleivers cannot, what, other than personal testimonies - which are notoriously subjective and virtually impossible to prove - do you have as evidence of demonic attack?
 
TimCallahan said:
Since Paul doesn't tell us what his thorn in the flesh was, nobody really has any idea what it might have been. I will assume it was a physical symptom. Beyond that I won't speculate.

Let's take this back to Ephesians 6:12 where Paul says that the believers of his day were contending against the "world rulers of this present darkness." The present darkness he was speaking of was in the 1st. century. We are now living in the 21st. How do you square spiritual warfare today with what paul was talking about 20 centuries ago? This is particularly a problem when you consider that Paul alludes several times to the end of the world taking place in his generation, as Jesus does in his apocalyptic pronouncements in the gospels. The imminence of the apocalypse is in fact a constant theme throughout the New Testament.

If you think the present darkness extends to today, who are the world rulers who you think support it?

Finally, since you claim to see, or at leas experience some way, the demonic hosts we unbleivers cannot, what, other than personal testimonies - which are notoriously subjective and virtually impossible to prove - do you have as evidence of demonic attack?
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Tim the first part of your questions are difficult to go into in depth since Satan still has power to deceive this world and he has booby trapped it everywhere. Governemt is a big concern since we see how power is misusde by power hungry men. False relgion is another huge problem since there is so much that is not true. And the list goes on and on.

Have you happened to read "Epicenter" by Joel Rosenberg? Also look at what's going on with the EU. Sure looks like we are headed for a one world currency and government just as scripture predicts. Also when this one world government is in place this world leader will deceive many to think he's wonderful, but he is evil and called the anti-Christ. It's God's story and history unfolding right before our eyes. The good news in the end all who chose Christ will be on the winning team as Jesus is sure to come back and rule and reign forever.

As for my personal testimony my husband can testify to it a bit since he was on the outside watching me go through this supernatural experience a bit that weekend. The Lord actually told him to come over to my house(while we were still seperated going through a divorce) while he did not see the other side of things I shared with him and he saw God intervening and turning my life around.

And I am not the only one testifying to Christ setting them free from their demons. The fact that I never met this ex-hooker but had a simliar experience as she did should make many of you think. There are others who had these types of experiences but unless it is your own experience I guess the on lookers just need to see since there are indeed many like us who have had these types of supernatural experiences it is something to take heed to. We are not making it up or lying. Jesus does what he has to to reach the lost. I know my redeemer lives!
 
kurious_kathy said:
We are not making it up or lying.
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Maybe not consciously

However, if you could - just for a moment - look at your faith and belief system objectively, you may well see that it is highly probable that you, like countless billions of others throughout the ages, are simply accepting and creating one of many, many worldviews that are easy but nevertheless fundamentally flawed in terms of how they 'mesh' with reality

If you can't - even for a moment - look at your faith and belief system objectively then you are thoroughly brainwashed

If you think believe that you already have looked at your faith and belief system objectively then you are fooling only yourself
 
kurious_kathy said:
Tim the first part of your questions are difficult to go into in depth since Satan still has power to deceive this world and he has booby trapped it everywhere.
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So I should avoid reading the rest of your post, as it is clearly a Satanic booby trap.
I see clearly now. You must be a priestess of satan. No wonder why speak such evils like claiming little babies are guilty of sin, that mental illness isn't real and that you would find pleasure in others suffering.
 
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