Heliport tower ATC Sean Boger: ultimate validation of the north side approach

[dtugg]

I believe that TLB was previously suspended for this same reason but let back in
I would think that for a JREF mod to again suspend him for the same reason they must now have found out more info.
Good for them!
I hope that it is revealed that TLB is Craig.

There is nothing in the Public Notices section about a previous suspension.

I am surprised that it took the mod team so long to do something. I must admit though, I probably could have convinced them, but chose not to because I think he is hilarious.

 

[Baylor]

If the mods have uncovered "new info" that "info" was given to them deliberately.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

I liked having Craig around. It was 100% pure entertainment for me. How long until a Balsamo sock pops up?

 

[Bobert]

if the mods have uncovered "new info" that "info" was given to them deliberately.

exactly!
:d

 

[dtugg]

I liked having Craig around. It was 100% pure entertainment for me. How long until a Balsamo sock pops up?

Or another Craig sock.

 

[jaydeehess]

Sean Boger is obviously a critical expert witness due to his location and clear unobstructed view of the approach from his elevated position in the tower.

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/northside%20flyover/sboger.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/northside%20flyover/heliportcircled.jpg[/qimg]

Here is a look at his approximate point of view of the citgo and Navy Annex:
[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/bogerpov.jpg[/qimg]

"approximate" pov, so you cannot actually show that he had both the plane and the citgo station in view or that he was instead surmising the location of the station.

Although Sean has also claimed that he watched the plane go into the building we know this is impossible since he saw it on the north side.

Not sure how him saying that he saw it to the north of the citgo would preclude him from seeing the plane hit the building.

He says he hit the deck so logic would dictate that he did this as the plane hit and deduced the impact considering all other witnesses corroborate his north side claim.

Those two points are not mutually exclusive nor does logic dictate that in ducking as the plane impacted the building that he would then only be deducing an impact. In fact if he says he saw it hit then logic would dictate that absent evidence to the contrary that is exactly what he did,,, see the aircraft hit.

Sean's clear unobstructed view of the approach, extremely critical vantage point, opposite perspective of all the other witnesses, and expert status as an air traffic controller make him one of the best witnesses possible to report on the exact location of the plane as it headed toward the Pentagon.

Except you still have not shown that he had a perfect and clear view of the location of the citgo. What we do know is that he had a perfect and unobstructed, close view of the impact location.

The notion that he too would make such a wild and drastic mistake concerning north or south of the gas station simultaneously with 12 other witnesses in this critical area while no first-hand account exists that directly refutes them all is a practical impossibility.

If by "first hand" you refer to an interview done by the CiT then why will the CiT not interview people who are on record with others as describing the path of the aircraft that would refute the so called NoC path? I thought the CiT were looking for the truth, not just that which supports the 'truth' they want.


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[beachnut]

I was just listening to Craig's phone call to Howard Stern's wrap up show. How crazy he sounds aside, I notice that he said he interviewed dozens of witnesses. Really? How many are included in their "evidence"? Could they have left a bunch of them out for some reason?

It is amazing that Craig actually posted that on youtube. Is he delusional enough to think that made him look good?

Craig leaves out the witnesses who clearly refute Craig's delusions; but with Craig’s failed abilities as researcher he leaves in Boger who watched 77 impact the Pentagon and then spew the delusion that impacting the Pentagon proves his north path Craig has never published. He is unable mentally to see his own witnesses pointing to the south path. Craig has to lie and say the RADAR data is false, lie about the FDR, and lie about DNA.

He is so arrogant or stupid he leaves in Boger as his witness who watched Flight 77 impact the Pentagon. Craig could not talk Boger out of seeing the impact, but Craig is dumb enough to use Boger to support his delusion.

I went to school and trained as an aircraft accident investigator for the USAF, we did not have a lot of aircraft with FDR, save the new systems with computers, and some KC-10s. The USAF has to have trained specialists to take witness statements in the field. I watched Craig screw up his interviews and mess up the interpretations beyond recognition.

Craig’s delusion is complete. I am waiting for Craig to publish the North Flight Path! With all those witnesses confirming the North Flight Path, where is the North Flight Path they confirm? Only in Craig’s delusional mind filled with failed investigation techniques to bring us comedy of Craig’s witnesses pointing to the South.

After people pointed out the paths drawn by witnesses were impossible due to aerodynamics, p4t Balsamo 11.2 G failed physics expert, and Craig super delusional investigator, applied math to a fictional flight path and came up with a 57 degree banked turn that no one saw on 911. The hard evidence in the FDR show banks less than 10 degrees. BUSTED and TLB gives up Boger to prove Craig is not able to comprehend anything.


Craig’s perverted video is pure hearsay just Craig saying Boger support’s the north flight path. FRAUD, Craig is pure stupid, and this video you published for Craig here shows two idiots spewing hearsay and their ideas and they ignore Boger statement of 77 hitting the Pentagon.

Craig and CIT are spewing left and right as Boger says the CITGO is to his right, and Flight 77 went to the left of the CITGO facing the CITGO, the south path. Oh as the idiots step on Boger speaking they just insert their own ideas and come up with poop. That was 15 minutes of stupid.

I love the fisheye distorted lens, which actually shows what Boger said, and then Boger says he thinks 77 hit about at the 2/3 Floor junction, only one floor, about 10 feet off the real impact! Good job!

Boger is smart; he stopped talking to idiots who twist his words. TLB supports idiots who make up lies.

 

[Bell]

Oh well. We all have seen this before and know how it goes. Truther is suspended. Truther sends some abusive PM's to the mods. Truther is banned.

I'll be waiting here.

Bye bye TLB! We hardly knew thee.

 

[1337m4n]

uh oh looks like tlb's been suspended

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[Bell]

Yep. Apparantly something suspicious with his account information. I guess North of Citgo is not a valid location.

 

[Baylor]

I don't believe Craig is "mentally unstable", although he may sound that way when he gets all exited about his theories on the radio, etc. Obviously there is some motivation he has for what he does.

Possible Motivations:

Justice - No, his evidence has never seen the light of a court room
Money - If this is his motivation, he's failing miserably
Popularity/Significance - Craig's actions on various message boards certainly seem to point this direction. I think he wants to be who Dylan Avery was in 2006.

In order to explain their motivations, one has to understand the truther subculture. What was the whole point of going out all the way out to Arlington and pestering witnesses? To profit from another crappy woo video? It's already been proven that most truthers make < $25,000 annually. And the videos are free on the Internet anyway? So what was the point? I highly doubt that "thepentacon" turned out to be a money making enterprise.

As I said in my other thread, the common factor that ties all truthers together is that they have a grudge against people who weren't dumb enough to buy 9/11 truth. We ruined their fantasies of them starting a revolution and the truthers coming out victorous and them all riding off into the sunset. So these two obnoxious asshats set out to manufacture a conspiracy that "couldn't be debunked." Being able to manufacture a conspiracy out of witness testimonies given to them gave them what they considered the logical highground.

Once Ranke finally articulated his own bizarre standards, I explained to him that his entire conspiracy theory was based on information he told us to throw out--"not verifiable" and "government information". He was too dumb to realize that his own "logic" worked against him. After all that work, Ranke & Co. still have nothing on the "official story". That's what happens when, in a crazy little subculture, Russel Pickering is the "voice of reason."

 

[uruk]

Personaly I think it's because of the notoriety. The idea that you've done something significant with your life. Not to mention a cult following. It is usually narcissitic people who think that way.

Craig et. al. are not doing anything to bring thier "investigation to a conclusion. They want the game to go on.

If they get thier new investigation and it comes up bupkis then thier following will peeter out. That's something they do not want to happen.


Lee Harvey Oswald had delusions of grandure and narcississm. He wound up shooting Kennedy. That is unless you believe the conspiracy theories.

 

[Seymour Butz]

None of the twoofers have done anything to get their "evidence" in a court except a handful like Judy Wood. Are they all faking?

Hmmmmm.

Since Judy is CLEARLY insane, wouldn't this point to Craig's sanity?

He hasn't and never will take this to any court...

 

[ref]

The NOC/ONA flight path was first discovered by the Center for Military History in November 2001.

Dick Eastman corroborated their findings in 2003.

National Geographic corroborated the flight path in 2004.

And CIT first corroborated the findings by going to Arlington and recording first-hand accounts in 2006.

Can anyone point to me, what he means by saying that Center for Military History, or National Geographic confirm the NOC flight path?

 

[funk de fino]

Can anyone point to me, what he means by saying that Center for Military History, or National Geographic confirm the NOC flight path?

The CMH is because there are interviews in their files that the clowns have cherrypicked and misinterpreted to come up with a NOC claim. They think this means that the CMH corroborate the NOC claim.

I believe the Nationa Geo is because they printed a pic which had a representation of a NOC path on it. This apperently also means that NG corroborate the NOC path.

 

[Baylor]

Can anyone point to me, what he means by saying that Center for Military History, or National Geographic confirm the NOC flight path?

He started a crap thread about it a while back. You might find what you're looking for here. I don't know for sure, I didn't read the OP.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126393

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

I guess no need to hold my breath getting quotes from the convo they (must have) had with National Geographic then. Figures.

 

[ref]

Thanks Fun & Rebel.

So, in reality this:

The NOC/ONA flight path was first discovered by the Center for Military History in November 2001.

Dick Eastman corroborated their findings in 2003.

National Geographic corroborated the flight path in 2004.

And CIT first corroborated the findings by going to Arlington and recording first-hand accounts in 2006.

Actually means this:

Center for Military History material was released via a FOIA request in 2008, which led CIT to a conclusion that some of this material corroborated the NOC flight path.

Anti-Semitic Dick Eastman did his own "research" back in 2003.

National Geographic released some animation or photos in 2004, which in 2008 led CIT to conclude that they had confirmed the NOC flight path already 4 years earlier.

In 2006 CIT did their first interviews.

So not-exciting.

 

[Mangoose]

If I remember correctly, the same National Geographic episode ("Seconds From Disaster") had a cockpit-view simulation of the attack which basically had the airplane drop down rapidly from a high angle over the ANC itself. Such an approach is not "ONA" and it is so "NOC" that it would have the "ANC witnesses" point in the complete wrong direction. So the NatGeo graphics people who worked on the episode did not use data to create their simulations but *gasp* guessed. However I would have to dig out my tape of the episode out of my towers of unlabeled tapes to be sure.

 

[dtugg]

So TLB got unsuspended. That's fine with me! Having a proven stalker who doesn't know how to multiply percentages as the Complete Idiot Team's towel boy on this forum is hilarious if you ask me. Even if he isn't Craig, it doesn't matter because either way, they have the same brain.