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[Merged]Play-by-Play: Debate between Kevin Ryan and Michael Shermer

Brainster said:
If you want to see a really pathetic attempt to rebunk one of Shermer's solid arguments, check out this ridiculous post at 9-11 Blogger. George Washington (real name: Alex Floum) is something of a fathead, but this is doltish even for him. Talking about Top-Down (really Impact Point Down) versus Bottom Down:



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Wow!

So, if we redefine the "bottom" of the building to mean the place where the collapse initiated, then the collapse initiated at the bottom.
 
Sounds like Kevin Ryan just showed everyone why he's terrified of Mark Roberts.
 
I think we've also settled the question of whether it's worth going on Thom Hartmann's show... his conduct in the telephone session afterward was hardly fair.

It's his perogative -- he's an entertainer, not an educator, scientist, or even someone interested in learning. That's fine. However, there's no reason we need to provide them with entertainment.

The next time someone complains that we're too "chicken" to appear on radio shows, remind them that they are too "chicken" to appear at engineering conferences. That's where science gets done.

My compliments to Shermer, both for taking one for the team and for doing so in enemy territory. He acquitted himself well.
 
R.Mackey said:
The next time someone complains that we're too "chicken" to appear on radio shows, remind them that they are too "chicken" to appear at engineering conferences. That's where science gets done.
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Not to mention too chicken to submit their work for peer-review and too chicken to debate people who they know are well prepared.
 
Brainster said:
Only misstep by Michael so far is failing to mention the USS Cole in prior attacks.
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Of course... because that would prove the official story about 9/11 is true... whatever...

Looks like my expectation that Ryan would turn out to be a poor debater is proving correct.
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If you can't objectively discuss something as simple as a debate, it is little wonder why you don't understand 9/11.
 
Brainster said:
Excellent, Shermer hits the "impact down" versus bottom down.
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Oh right... the WTC twin towers couldn't have been demotioned... they went top down not bottum up... for God's sake...

This has got to be the stupidest "debunking" argument in the dumb as a doornail "debunking" bag of crap.
 
bofors said:
Oh right... the WTC twin towers couldn't have been demotioned... they went top down not bottum up... for God's sake...

This has got to be the stupidest "debunking" argument in the dumb as a doornail "debunking" bag of crap.
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Still waiting for that demolition expert, bofors...
 
Mancman said:
Kevin Ryan is just repeating old crap.
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... and you still don't get it.
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bofors said:
... and you still don't get it. [qimg]http://forum.insanelymac.com/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif[/qimg]
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Nice reply, of course some evidence backing up your position would have been better, but that would make you have to think for yourself and do actual research. Not just cut and paste what others tell you is "scientific," and expect those with a background in science to accept it without question.

You're right, I don't get how anyone could still believe the BS that the "Twoof" movement expects reasonable people to swallow.
 
CptColumbo said:
You're right, I don't get how anyone could still believe the BS that the "Twoof" movement expects reasonable people to swallow.
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I think your problem is with the assumption that they expect "reasonable" people to swallow their BS. Do you really think DRG and the others think they can fool anybody other than the dregs of the intellectual barrel?
 
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AZCat said:
I think your problem is with the assumption that they expect "reasonable" people to swallow their BS. Do you really think DRG and the others think they can fool anybody other than the dregs of the intellectual barrel?
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You're right, I was assuming that they wanted to actually spread the "twoof." They want to create a cult and make money off the less intelligent. But I am also refering to people like bofors, who think that reasonable people should accept the "twoof" without question, because they have. And they couldn't possibly be fooled that easily, could they?
 
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CptColumbo said:
You're right, I was assuming that they wanted to actually spread the "twoof." They want to create a cult and make money off the less intelligent. But I am also refering to people like bofors, who think that reasonable people should accept the "twoof" without question, because they have. And they couldn't possibly be fooled that easily, could they?
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bofors assuming we should swallow the same trash he has accepted without question is like a goat assuming we should swallow the same trash he eats.
 
bofors said:
Alright, point conceded... I heard Ryan say that too and obviously he misspoke.
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Did he? It is not the first time a troofer has made that claim, and it certainly won't be the last. Ryan is not only not qualified in any field related to structural engineering, he is not even an academic, even though be pretends to be an editor of a journal. Half of this board has more education than he does.
 
BenBurch said:
Audio here; http://server6.whiterosesociety.org/content/freehartmann/HartmannShow-(8-11-2007).mp3
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Can you possibly post the discussion between Shermer and Ryan without all of the prelude, without all of the commercials, and without all of the irrelevant stuff that seems to comprise the entire first 40 percent or more of the audio posted?

(I hate wasting my time wading through a ton of crap to get to the discussion - and although I've finally fast forwarded through the first 40% of prelude crap, it's annoying to have to do so.)
 
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