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[Merged]Play-by-Play: Debate between Kevin Ryan and Michael Shermer

About ready to begin on the Thom Hartmann Show, a nationally carried liberal/progressive radio talk show in the USA. Part of the Air America network. I'm listening in Los Angeles on KTLK, 1150 AM.

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!

Please do not think that only little ME can make comments while this is ensuing. Everyone: HAVE AT IT!
 
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Ryan leads with the "official story is a conspiracy theory". He also tries to straddle the fence between LIHOP and MIHOP.
 
Here we go!

Hartmann asking What Actually Happened on 9/11?

Hartmann starting on his book Ultimate Sacrifice, 17 years in the writing, 840 page book: He actually thinks he figured out the JFK assassination! The MOB did it, naturally. So, we know Hartmann is no stranger to CTism.

Shermer just introduced.

Ryan introduced.

Ryan to talk first. Trying to redefine "conspiracy" theory, because 9/11 wasn't done by one person. Sheez. Really didn't say much. Dancing. Talking about an "initial coverup".

Shermer response. Good points that Al Qaeda did it. Had precedence in 1993, plus they claimed responsibility. Talking about how it is much more believable of 19 perps, rather than thousands (what we say all the time to twoofers). Talking about how no one spilled the beans. Shermer sounding GOOD! Go Mike!

Hartmann brings up Occam's Razor.

Ryan calls the hijackers "alleged". Says Al Qaeda is product of CIA from Afghanistan ops. Ryan sounds nervous, unsure of himself. This could be a turkey shoot. His voice is shaking. Says Pakistan's ISI is involved in 9/11. Concedes that THE USA MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED!!!

Shermer surprised at Ryan's easy concession.

Hartmann says Why Should People Be Skeptical of 9/11 Commission Report? Then ducks in, Or Why Not?

* COMMERCIAL BREAK * more to come.
 
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Only misstep by Michael so far is failing to mention the USS Cole in prior attacks. Looks like my expectation that Ryan would turn out to be a poor debater is proving correct.
 
Hartmann helps out with a blizzard of "woo", followed by Ryan's own blizzard. Shermer would need an hour to go through all this crappola.
 
And now back to the show...

Hartmann wants to get to the meat and potatoes. Yes, we want that. Ryan to talk.

Says 9/11 Commission left out a bunch of facts. Brings up Bush's relatives being in charge of security. Oh lordy. Ryan sounds NERVOUS!!! Voice still shaking. Says evidence shows government agencies involved, including ROVE!!! Says everyone "conveniently" out to lunch while attacks going on, everybody incompetent. Brings up My Pet Goat.

Shermer talks about 2200 videos available on collapses of buildings. From bottom UP. Not top DOWN, as in WTCs. Really ripping the CD stuff, go MIKE!!!

Ryan dancing AGAIN! Not really saying anything! Ryan defending that there are examples of buildings being demolished from the top down!!! Oh, of course!

* COMMERCIAL BREAK * more to come
 
Excellent, Shermer hits the "impact down" versus bottom down. Ryan ducks the "how many people it would take?" question.

Taking phone calls? Cripes, there's not enough time!
 
One suggestion for Michael; why not highlight all the "imcompetence" arguments that Ryan has made, and ask the Air America audience and Hartmann if they find incompetence such an unbelievable notion. (Know which arguments will sway your audience!)
 
Agggh! Not a good idea to talk about the 8/6/01 PDB, the Air America audience wants to believe that Bush had solid warnings.
 
Kevin Ryan is just repeating old crap. He has nothing to offer the debate.
 
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