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[Merged]Play-by-Play: Debate between Kevin Ryan and Michael Shermer

Quote of the day from Ryan:

"No building has ever collapsed from fire before or after 9/11".
 
Wow. Listening to American radio is annoying - it's about half and half content and ads or promo spots for other stupid-sounding radio shows. I don't know how you guys stand it.
 
WTC-7: Probability nonsense. 6.5 seconds, own footprint. "They needed people to be in front of the TV."
 
Ryan repeats false antenna drop on WTC1.

What a moron.
 
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"The hijackers got lucky at every single turn."

Ryan falls into the CT trap of thinking that everything that happened was supposed to happen, apparently forgetting about Flight 93.

Standdown--how about mentioning how many people would have to be in on that?
 
There is no restricted airspace over the Pentagon! Ack, where do these people come up with this crap?
 
Okie doke, back to the show...

Shermer on collapses. Talks about hindsight, brings up Pearl Harbor conspiracies. Talks about August 6 memo, how it really is not significant. Yep, that's right on! Point being, easy to make connections AFTER the fact.

Ryan on Building 7, collapsed in 6.5 seconds, into its own footprint. Oh brother. Same old crap. No building ever collapsed due to fire. Probablility of 3 buildings all collapsing due to fire on same day. Chrissakes.

Hartmann asks, why put in explosives? Planes are enough.

Ryan bringing up DRG. False flag event, psychological event. Needed people to be in front of TV, finally gets to "rigged for demolition". He's sounding like a LOON! Ahahahaha! Bouncing all over. Apparently, had to get all Americans glued to TV, to TERRORIZE THEM with the CDs. Loon!!! Idiot!!!

Shermer says can criticize Bush Admin, why do we need 9/11 CTism?

Hartmann says Security Stood Down.

Ryan saying buildings did not collapse at impact zone. Saying buildings collapsed all over.

Shermer asks: Why are "they", who did this??? Brings up Val Plame writing book, where are the 9/11 "I Did It" books? Shermer says: NO EVIDENCE OF CD.

Ryan talks about Landmark Hotel. Says 1300 pounds of explosives could have done it.

Shermer says, where evidence?

Ryan says evidence is HOW they collapsed, dontcha SEE??? That's all that is needed, nothing else!

Shermer says Bldg 7 started collapse at debris damage point.

Ryan says 7 collapsed "perfectly", straight down. What a fool. No - it didn't!

Hartmann positing why WTCs did not go horizontal, to kill more people?

Ryan doesn't know, says nothing needs to be proven!!! What a blithering idiot! Just ask questions!!!

P56B project name, says Ryan. B.S. about most heavily defended area at Pentagon. Makes stupid claims about Pentagon, then saved by the bell.

* COMMERCIAL BREAK * more to come
 
I want home delivery of the New York Times.

Ryan is not good at this. He brushes off the 'why did they collapse from the impact point' question with 'it doesn't matter, they were rigged for demolition', which makes no sense.
 
Hartmann claims that Osama is not on the most wanted list. Wrong! The claim is that there's no mention of 9-11 on Osama's wanted list poster.
 
Poor response on the Put Options. That should be a slam dunk for anybody, cite that the Put Options on United were bought by somebody who simultaneously bought American Airlines stock.

Ryan blows it by saying that everybody should accept the CT. Big mistake, he should have closed with "need a new investigation". That sounds much more reasonable.
 
Well, final segment, apparently...

Hartmann asks Shermer why Osama not on FBI list?

Shermer handles well.

Hartmann bringing up Afghanistan pipeline, see? Woo. Hartmann is a woo, but cautious. Now asks Ryan, how FEW could have pulled off this conspiracy? Oh, this should be good. C'mon, Kev!

Ryan says "relatively" small group. Then does NOT answer! Brings up whistleblowers! Brings up Sibel Edmonds! What?!? Who cares about her? So many whistleblowers, says Krazy Kev. Bush Admin of course ignored them ALL. Right, Kev.

Hartmann, you can tell, thinks Bush did this to do the Iraq War. Sheez.

Ryan whining about "conspiracy theory" being derogatory. Poor baby. Whine on.

Ryan says evidence on hand requires us to accept "alternative" theory.

Shermer says Al Qaeda did it.

WELL!

Show's over! Lively. Hartmann conducted a good show, kept it interesting.

SHERMER WINS! Ryan was a bit less nervous as the show progressed, but he was never able to avoid sounding like a desperate man trying to land SOME kind of punch. He bounced all over, avoided answering point blank questions.

Michael Shermer prevailed. And I think we do have to thank Thom Hartmann for conducting a well-structured debate. Hartmann did well to let the two guys have at it, in a relatively calm, measured manner. Good for you, Thom!
 
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