Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[kitakaze]

MOTS, just a suggestion but you should consider using the quote feature when addressing separate points. It would be a good step towards making coherent posts.

Chased, not pusued.

It doesn't matter how many times you say you were chased, it's not in your own account. There is, of course, no point in asking for you to clarify. You simply can't.

I didn't grow up in 'mommys' lap.

I'm not going to bother trying to decipher that. If it means what I think it means, I'll address it in a post below.

The adults went back with us and investigated. We found the footprint.
We compared tree damage to what the adults were capable of doing with the axe. Does that sound like they were trying to tell us otherwise?

1) First it was buddy's uncle bringing an axe to compare bigfoot damage. Then it was buddy's uncle bringing an axe to assure you and/or get you to practice choppping wood. It was adults comparing chops to bigfoot damage and now it's you kids watching adults chop and comparing.

2) Does it sound like the adults were telling you you weren't chased by bigfoot? Hell yeah. Here it is in your words:

One important sidenote to this story of mine. When we went back the next day and found the one clear footprint at the edge of the dirt road, I noticed a large toe print sticking out to the side like a chimpanzees'. It was quickly dismissed as a stick that was pressed down by our families (skeptics and scoffers). Funny that they were so quick to dismiss the side toe as a feature, but then to later dismiss the whole event. The print was big though, and wide.

Dismissed.

'It wasn't' a visual identification. 'It was' an audible identification. That means that I "heard" what the creature was.

Young child hears sound, ID's bigfoot, runs. Got it.

I CAN NOT SPEAK FOR OTHERS. GET IT?

"Didn't any of you hear those terrible screams?"

Said nothing like that or tried in any way to confirm others hearing the multiple 10-second bursts as loud as a jet plane. Got it.

We went back the next day. After that, we just left it alone. I talked to my dad's friend, the ex-sheriff later. That's it. Our fishing encounter was just that, also. We fished briefly, then left.

Yes, both instances no adults thought bigfoot. Oh, and you talked to an ex-sheriff who told you about shooting up Bonnie and Clyde. Progress.

I've never obsessed over this. Never read any bigfoot books. Never watched that Boggy Creek thing. I didn't even know that there were research organizations out looking for bigfoot. Didn't care.

Yeah, here's the funny thing- You claim to have at least two experiences as a child that you immediately at the time attributed to bigfoot. Who's got bigfoot on the brain?

Now, if anybody wants to act presumptious, and tell me what happened to me, I will surely straighten that out.

How? With more cryptic, evasive responses and repeating 'I was chased."?

This is what I meant by presumptious.

How you read presumptuous into a request for clarification about anything you did to verify the sounds you heard is beyond me. You are being consistent in your vagueness, though.

In that instance, it was my father, my brother and me. That was one of my father's fishing spots.

It must have been the same creature. Or do You think it was different?

If it was an orangutan, and it threw a stick and attacked, it would have suffered mightily.

Again, why does a kid who thought he was chased terrifyingly by a steam train bigfoot, laying waste to all in its path, and believing he's looking at the same creature, decide to chuck a stick at it? It would be nice if you wouldn't evade that one again.

I posted my story, figuring others would have had similar encounters (at least in the past 30 years) of an apelike creature. This was bigfoot central. Boy, was I wrong.

Let me just say that I was attacked (questioned and mocked) much more vigorously there than here.

But, basically the same M.O.

Where was that? It certainly wasn't your scary story thread.

That was a rather short story. NW posted it.
That is what spoiled the day. The reason that I threw the stick was to find out exactly what that face was. It was just eyes, all the rest hidden. They weren't burning. They stood out because they were like wolf's or malamutes' eyes. Yellowish or orangish. It still didn't noticably stand out when it shifted when I threw the stick. Let me say that I am kind of a 'deadeye'.
Always was.

So you didn't think it was a bigfoot?

 

[kitakaze]

I am not looking for anything. Just got my story out. But, please continue.

Correa just gave you about as good a summation as you're going to get. If you can't consider these things sincerely, then there's really not much hope. The woo self-desription becomes an understatement.

 

[kitakaze]

That's the point. One of our follies must have triggered its anger.

Luckily for the environment and everyone's health, it's oddly selective rage subsided, and it never returned again... Except for the time I saw it again and chucked a stick at it. You know, just to be sure. No harm, no foul.

 

[William Parcher]

Yeah, here's the funny thing- You claim to have at least two experiences as a child that you immediately at the time attributed to bigfoot. Who's got bigfoot on the brain?

He wanted the Mt. Hood tragedy to have been caused by Bigfoot too. MOTS wants his Bigfoots to be mean and nasty guys.

 

[Drewbot]

Bigfoot runs bipedally, therefore it must have an Achilles Tendon. Blockfoot does not show an achilles tendon. Gorillas, Orangutans, and Chimps do not have Achilles tendons...

Early human beings might have been walking upright 3.5 million years ago, but even the most athletic individuals would have struggled to keep up with a modern couch potato in a running race, research has suggested.

Ancient human relatives such as the famous fossil Lucy, a member of the species Australopithecus afarensis, would have found running almost impossible because they probably lacked Achilles tendons, scientists said yesterday. With the exception of gibbons, all humanity’s closest animal relatives – the chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans – have no Achilles tendons, and it is highly likely that early hominins such as Lucy did not have them either.

A new computer gait simulation of both Homo sapiens and A. afarensis has revealed that Achilles tendons are critical to fast running speeds. If Lucy lacked such tendons, she could still have walked almost as fast as modern humans, but her top running speed would have been half as quick.

The findings, which were presented to the BA Festival of Science in York, suggest that the evolution of Achilles tendons was critical to our species’ development, allowing us to become hunters. “It opens all sorts of options,” Bill Sellers, of the University of Manchester, said. “If you’re a runner, all of a sudden the idea of hunting becomes possible. Without Achilles tendons, you are rubbish at running. You can’t go very fast, and you use an awful lot of food to get from A to B. Humans and, strangely, gibbons, have great big fat Achilles tendons.

“Pursuit hunting pretty much relies on running. If Lucy had no Achilles tendon, she’d be far too inefficient to have been any kind of pursuer. It wouldn’t have stopped her from scavenging, but she would not have been much of a hunter.”

Evidence for the evolution of Achilles tendons is sparse because few hominin fossils have intact feet. The shape of other bones suggests that the features did not evolve until perhaps two million years ago, probably in Homo erectus, a species thought to be a direct ancestor of modern humans.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2434423.ece

 

[kitakaze]

He wanted the Mt. Hood tragedy to have been caused by Bigfoot too. MOTS wants his Bigfoots to be mean and nasty guys.

So MOTS, you wanna tell us the real reason for the move to Hawaii? wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

 

[RayG]

Take a deep breath. Exhale slowly. Now repeat:
PGF is real (please), PGF is real (please), PGF is real (please) until exhausted.
Then repeat.

How does that make bigfoot real?

Because we got chased, because no other animal that we were aware of behaved like that, my friend believed it was bigfoot.

There, I fixed it for you.

It wasn't a bear or deer or elk.

Yes, yes, it couldn't possibly be bear, deer, or elk, it HAD to be bigfoot because you got chased (though you saw no pursuer), because no other animal you were aware of behaved like that (though you saw no animal), and your friend believed it was bigfoot (though he saw no bigfoot).

Do you have filtration issues?

Do you have fixation issues? Why are you so convinced bigfoot was the culprit?

Chased, not pusued.

I assume you mean pursued. How does one chase something without pursuring it?

The adults went back with us and investigated. We found the footprint.

It sounds like you found an indistinct imprint in the ground, claim it was caused by bigfoot, then use wild imagination to support your case.

We compared tree damage to what the adults were capable of doing with the axe.

How big were these trees? I don't call something a tree unless it's large enough for me to climb, and it will support my weight. Were these trees overturned before you arrived on site, and you just didn't realize it, or did you actually witness the trees being uprooted/broken?

'It wasn't' a visual identification. 'It was' an audible identification. That means that I "heard" what the creature was.

In other words, there was no positive identification, so your imagination filled in the blanks.

Too much nonsense.

How does one separate sense from nonsense?

I've never obsessed over this. Never read any bigfoot books. Never watched that Boggy Creek thing. I didn't even know that there were research organizations out looking for bigfoot. Didn't care.

Yet you're adamant in your belief that you had a bigfoot encounter. I too had an encounter that some have attributed to bigfoot, but I remain unconvinced that what happened to me that night was a sneaky bigfoot.

Now, if anybody wants to act presumptious, and tell me what happened to me, I will surely straighten that out.

Sounds like you're convinced it was bigfoot and nothing will sway you from that belief.

What part of 'I got chased' and Never studied bigfoot Do You Not Get?

And what part of 'you never confirmed what was chasing you' don't you get?

Oh yeah, I've never written anything down about it either. No notes. No drawings. Just memory.

Well that settles it then, for we know how infallible your memory is.

But like I pointed out on BFF, encountering an unknown creature is not something you Ever forget.

Yes, and even though you didn't actually see anything, you're convinced it was bigfoot.

Can You trust your memory?

No, nor should you.

I'm not Jack Hannah, I just got chased.

It's whether or not you got chased by bigfoot that's important.

RayG

 

[Correa Neto]

I am not looking for anything. Just got my story out. But, please continue.

There's really not much that I can add other than what's written at my previous post. Other posters made interesting comments also.

My interpretation of your experience is there. It is, as I wrote, a possible explanation; there's no way I can say its what actually happened. My suggestions are there also.

 

[mangler]

mots,

Since you still seem to have such a clear recollection of the incident maybe you could show us precisely where it occurred? One thing I'm curious about is distance.

You seem to indicate that you heard screams down by I-5, then movement in your vicinity, "All off the wildlife fleeing past us, crossing the road back into the forest. Next we heard an extremely loud howl/yell that seemed directed at us, but from down the valley by the freeway, I-5, or maybe further." would this be correct? Could you give us a time-line? You also seem to indicate that you returned to the site in question the next day "The next day we all went up the road to look," , but you seem to imply that you returned to the site shortly there after, "After the event, about 6 of us went back to the spot" what's up with that?

I have a good friend that lived on Samish from 78' - 84', I've spent a great deal of time in that area so naturally I am quite curious as to the location. You did say north end, correct?

If you would prefer higher resolution pics I'd be more than happy to email them to you.


m

That's I-5 to the N and Samish to the S




Looking SW

 

[LTC8K6]

Bigfoot is a homeopathic cryptid. The belief gets more powerful as bigfoot gets more dilute.

 

[kitakaze]

mots,

Since you still seem to have such a clear recollection of the incident maybe you could show us precisely where it occurred? One thing I'm curious about is distance.

mangler, you rock.

 

[drapier]

Bigfoot is a homeopathic cryptid. The belief gets more powerful as bigfoot gets more dilute.

This is quite nice!

 

[Judaculla]

Gotta wonder...

How many Bigfoot proponents/advocates (I hesitate to use believer) does the JREF forum get here that are articulate, reasonable, and have some critical thinking skills? I don't necessarily mean formal training in logic, statistics, or quantitative science (though that would be a plus).

 

[manofthesea]

ESL?

You believe you were chased, you mean.

You have presented no evidence that you were chased, such as a trackway following your route. Evidence that should have been easy to find given the supposed chaser's characteristics.

In fact, given an extremely heavy biped, the sound of it's footsteps as it ran after you must have been impressive. The massive weight on each foot as it pounded the earth must have sounded quite unique. Care to describe it?

How deep were the footprints it had to have left as it ran after you?

I'll refer you to the post that KW quoted.

 

[manofthesea]

Are You Retarded?

MOTS, just a suggestion but you should consider using the quote feature when addressing separate points. It would be a good step towards making coherent posts.It doesn't matter how many times you say you were chased, it's not in your own account. There is, of course, no point in asking for you to clarify. You simply can't.

I'm not going to bother trying to decipher that. If it means what I think it means, I'll address it in a post below.



1) First it was buddy's uncle bringing an axe to compare bigfoot damage. Then it was buddy's uncle bringing an axe to assure you and/or get you to practice choppping wood. It was adults comparing chops to bigfoot damage and now it's you kids watching adults chop and comparing.

2) Does it sound like the adults were telling you you weren't chased by bigfoot? Hell yeah. Here it is in your words:

Dismissed.




Young child hears sound, ID's bigfoot, runs. Got it.

"Didn't any of you hear those terrible screams?"

Said nothing like that or tried in any way to confirm others hearing the multiple 10-second bursts as loud as a jet plane. Got it.

Yes, both instances no adults thought bigfoot. Oh, and you talked to an ex-sheriff who told you about shooting up Bonnie and Clyde. Progress.

Yeah, here's the funny thing- You claim to have at least two experiences as a child that you immediately at the time attributed to bigfoot. Who's got bigfoot on the brain?

How? With more cryptic, evasive responses and repeating 'I was chased."?





How you read presumptuous into a request for clarification about anything you did to verify the sounds you heard is beyond me. You are being consistent in your vagueness, though.

Again, why does a kid who thought he was chased terrifyingly by a steam train bigfoot, laying waste to all in its path, and believing he's looking at the same creature, decide to chuck a stick at it? It would be nice if you wouldn't evade that one again.

Where was that? It certainly wasn't your scary story thread.

So you didn't think it was a bigfoot?

A bunch of jibberish. You're LYING. My father's nickname was Buddy.
I really don't appreciate the LIES about my father.

 

[manofthesea]

So MOTS, you wanna tell us the real reason for the move to Hawaii? wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

After I blew out my knees, me and my father moved to Hawaii. I was still in high school.

 

[TjW]

Read the entire thread first. Then get back to me.

I've read the thread, thanks. I'm a poster asking you a polite question.
Now, here

'It wasn't' a visual identification. 'It was' an audible identification. That means that I "heard" what the creature was.

I got a friend that guides for grizzlies. Some 'non-intellectuals' pay a fortune.
I got a lot of family that hunts big game, in Washington and Alaska. I was never impressed. Except when they crashed their truck(s) into a moose.

you say you made an audible identification. If this is the truth, then at some point you must have had a visual identification of a bigfoot making the same sounds. Without this correlation between an otherwise identified creature and the sound, you can't make an audible identification.

I notice here

I bleev that I'm gonna put you and WP on 'Ignore'.
Too much nonsense. Too little relevance.

you sidestep a very similar question. That is to say, you don't answer it.

So when was your visual and audible episode with a bigfoot?

 

[manofthesea]

He wanted the Mt. Hood tragedy to have been caused by Bigfoot too. MOTS wants his Bigfoots to be mean and nasty guys.

WAS THE DISTRESS CALL RECORDED OR NOT?

 

[manofthesea]

mots,

Since you still seem to have such a clear recollection of the incident maybe you could show us precisely where it occurred? One thing I'm curious about is distance.

You seem to indicate that you heard screams down by I-5, then movement in your vicinity, "All off the wildlife fleeing past us, crossing the road back into the forest. Next we heard an extremely loud howl/yell that seemed directed at us, but from down the valley by the freeway, I-5, or maybe further." would this be correct? Could you give us a time-line? You also seem to indicate that you returned to the site in question the next day "The next day we all went up the road to look," , but you seem to imply that you returned to the site shortly there after, "After the event, about 6 of us went back to the spot" what's up with that?

I have a good friend that lived on Samish from 78' - 84', I've spent a great deal of time in that area so naturally I am quite curious as to the location. You did say north end, correct?

If you would prefer higher resolution pics I'd be more than happy to email them to you.


m

That's I-5 to the N and Samish to the S
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Looking SW
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If you really spent time at Samish, then you very well know about the cabin/estate at the top of the hill. The first cabin up the road is the Johnson's. Knock on the door, tell them GK from Hawaii sent you. That's all you need to say. I'm sure they'll be gentlemanly enough to show you where it happened. You will probably get my friend Ty's story also.

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Here's an interesting article about both Paul Freeman and the P/G footage. It notes how Roger Patterson made a lot of money off it and gives the alleged reason why he screwed Bob Gimlin out of his share of the profits.