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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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People, people, I think you all need to accept the facts of MOTS' encounters.

Consider: Long, loud howl
Brush-busting size and power
Anger over destruction of forest and environs
Giant indistinct mannish footprints
Big face with flashing eyes on an old tree

I think we all know there's only one candidate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sweh2EekM4M
 
Because we got chased.
Here's your first post in your 'Wanna hear a scary story?' thread:

I believe it was the summer of 1975, my friend (hockey teammate) had an uncle who owned a cabin on the hill above Samish Lake, whe the UW practiced rowing. Our families were visiting, and one morning we decided to go hiking real early. We found a stream and a waterfall, crossing near the top of it. After a while we headed for the dirt road that went up the hill. After we found it, we decided to follow it to the top and see the view. At the top of the hill, we found a new cabin being built, with a bulldozer parked next to it. We stood there looking at this spectacle in the middle of the forest when we witnessed All off the wildlife fleeing past us, crossing the road back into the forest. Next we heard an extremely loud howl/yell that seemed directed at us, but from down the valley by the freeway, I-5, or maybe further. Then a short time later, we heard something tearing through the forest, the sounds of trees snapping getting louder and closer extremely fast. We blazed it down the road, crashing through a huge dead stump, somewhat hurting ourselves. We ran far and fast, getting split where the road turned left. I ran through the forest at full speed, coming to a cliff, which I jumped. It turned out to be his uncle's driveway, with everybody outside, hearing our yells. My friend came around the corner shortly, having continued on the road. The next day we all went up the road to look, we found a huge footprint at the edge of the road where the runoff is. There was an obvious path that he tore through, but footprints were not obvious. No one else really wanted to look that deeply into the forest. It was no bear or cougar. The footprint looked like a giant man foot, but with no real definition.

There's nothing in there that indicates you were chased. Do you have more information to add that would do so? So far, from what you said there it very well could have been some kind of landwork machinery. All that is said is that the source of the sound came from down the valley by the freeway. Later you say that there was multiple bursts of this sound lasting about ten seconds each. You say you then heard the sounds of trees snapping and something approaching your position (being the cabin). How does you and a friend panicking and fleeing from this equate to being chased?

No other animal that we were aware of behaved like that.
When you were a child in pee wee hockey when did you decide you knew what bigfoot behaviour was?

My friend believed it was bigfoot. As for the adults and my brother, who can say? It's hard to convince anyone.
How do you know this? Because the other kid shook his head terrified when you screamed "bigfooooot!!!" and fled from the noises by the constuction site? More importantly, what does it tell you when you have certain experiences that you immediately attribute to bigfoot and the adults around you are telling you otherwise?
 
Perhaps you could tell why you do not consider bear and deer/elk as viable alternatives for parts of your experience.

Because those do not sound like a low flying jet, and lay waste to the forest as they move about. Additionally, neither of those creatures will cause a mass exodus of mammals that was described. He saw a tidal wave of critters fleeing from this monster. Even construction equipment doesn't explain that. Those animals knew that a bipedal apocalypse was besetting upon them, like some deadly broom sweeping the firmament. What were the birds doing? Surely such a horrific and loud crusher would have caused every flying creature to take to wings. They tried and failed. MOTS saw no birds fleeing because they were snatched or stunned, and eaten like popcorn.

Obviously it wasn't a bear, elk or Deere. It was a Bigfoot. Time to deal with that, homeboy!
 
This video[/URL] starts with what's supposedly the sound of a Bigfoot roaring (the comments claim it was lifted from "The Legend of Boggy Creek") and one of the commenters (panikdapig) notes that the beginning of the roar sounds like that of a European Red Deer

The sound at the beginning of this was actually made by Roger Patterson. According to Rene Dahinden, Patterson went up into a church tower and yelled into a bucket and recorded it to use as an example of what a Bigfoot sounds like. Pretty clever for a guy the bigfoot researchers claimed was not very smart.
 
Judaculla, that was an excellently worded and concise e-mail. Proponents will have none of that reply, though. Have you already or are planning to post that at the BFF?

If the e-mail makes its way over there, that's fine. I have not posted it, as I am taking a self-imposed hiatus from the BFF. I still have friends there. However, the degree of skepticism and critical thinking at BFF has taken a dive recently. Or maybe the BFF is the same, and the way I view it has changed.

The last straw for me was a recent thread on the Sierra Sounds in General Discussion. I stated that inferring the Sierra Sounds were legitimate from a lack of duplication was argumentum ad ignorantium, that demanding replication from others inappropriately shifted the burden of proof, and that there was not sufficient evidence to make an inductive argument.

I was told that I was being unscientific, had misapplied a deductive fallacy to an inductive argument, and had set an impossible standard of proof. Ridiculous on all counts, but I got tired of arguing about it. So, I left.

If things improve, I will return.
 
Judaculla, maybe you could ask them about Meldrum's Washington State "bearfoot" sasquatch tracks?

http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html

Particularly the first 2 sets...

You're welcome to give it a try. I can PM you the number if you'd like to make a call.

Coming back to them with pictures and saying, "Well, what do you think of this? Hmmm???" will almost certainly come off as crackpot proselytizing. I am not on a mission to convince anyone, because I'm not convinced myself.

Anyway, I limit myself to a handful of looney questions posed to government offices each year, and I'm at my quota.
 
MOTS, I must ask again what are you attempting to achieve and what your goals when it comes to discussing your experience. Here's three options (please feel free to add extra ones and/or combine them):

Are you trying to convince us by presenting another tidbit of anedoctal data?

Are you seeking confirmation for your already stabilished notion that there was a bigfoot around?

Do you want to know what other people think about your experience?

Now, you wrote:

Perhaps you could tell why you do not consider bear and deer/elk as viable alternatives for parts of your experience. Perhaps instead of trying to find a single source (bigfoot, bear) for your experience, you should consider that more than a single cause contributed for it.

It wasn't a bear or deer or elk. Do you have filtration issues?
 
Even Got My Nickname

People, people, I think you all need to accept the facts of MOTS' encounters.

Consider: Long, loud howl
Brush-busting size and power
Anger over destruction of forest and environs
Giant indistinct mannish footprints
Big face with flashing eyes on an old tree

I think we all know there's only one candidate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sweh2EekM4M

Back of the line, lurker!
Wow, Youtube. Do you quote Wikipedia also?
 
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Starting to Sound Like a Liar

Here's your first post in your 'Wanna hear a scary story?' thread:



There's nothing in there that indicates you were chased. Do you have more information to add that would do so? So far, from what you said there it very well could have been some kind of landwork machinery. All that is said is that the source of the sound came from down the valley by the freeway. Later you say that there was multiple bursts of this sound lasting about ten seconds each. You say you then heard the sounds of trees snapping and something approaching your position (being the cabin). How does you and a friend panicking and fleeing from this equate to being chased?

When you were a child in pee wee hockey when did you decide you knew what bigfoot behaviour was?

How do you know this? Because the other kid shook his head terrified when you screamed "bigfooooot!!!" and fled from the noises by the constuction site? More importantly, what does it tell you when you have certain experiences that you immediately attribute to bigfoot and the adults around you are telling you otherwise?

Chased, not pusued.

I didn't grow up in 'mommys' lap.

The adults went back with us and investigated. We found the footprint.
We compared tree damage to what the adults were capable of doing with the axe. Does that sound like they were trying to tell us otherwise?
 
No Homeboys Here

Because those do not sound like a low flying jet, and lay waste to the forest as they move about. Additionally, neither of those creatures will cause a mass exodus of mammals that was described. He saw a tidal wave of critters fleeing from this monster. Even construction equipment doesn't explain that. Those animals knew that a bipedal apocalypse was besetting upon them, like some deadly broom sweeping the firmament. What were the birds doing? Surely such a horrific and loud crusher would have caused every flying creature to take to wings. They tried and failed. MOTS saw no birds fleeing because they were snatched or stunned, and eaten like popcorn.

Obviously it wasn't a bear, elk or Deere. It was a Bigfoot. Time to deal with that, homeboy!

Just a bunch of b----es. :D
 
Mots,

When you stated that "It wasn't a bear or deer or elk." are you indicating that you had a visual on the subject. I have enough big game as well as tactical tracking experience under my belt to know that without visual identification to go with the track-way you got nothin. Simply thinking that the tracks you saw were from a bipedal doesn't fly. If I had a penny for every time that I misidentified a track-way/spoor when I was acquiring said skill I'd be a rich man.

You may also want to reconsider how you communicate when speaking of this subject, instead of stating "It wasn't", you may want to try "I don't see how it could have been", "in my opinion it wasn't" etc. Definitive statements like that tend to make one look a bit arrogant as well as ignorant. The fact is you have no idea what the hell happened, if anything at all.

It was windy here last night and something was pounding on the outside wall of the house, it could have been the ladder, but, I think it was bigfoot.


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Not Offended by Bears and Stuff, Huh?

Mots,

When you stated that "It wasn't a bear or deer or elk." are you indicating that you had a visual on the subject. I have enough big game as well as tactical tracking experience under my belt to know that without visual identification to go with the track-way you got nothin. Simply thinking that the tracks you saw were from a bipedal doesn't fly. If I had a penny for every time that I misidentified a track-way/spoor when I was acquiring said skill I'd be a rich man.

You may also want to reconsider how you communicate when speaking of this subject, instead of stating "It wasn't", you may want to try "I don't see how it could have been", "in my opinion it wasn't" etc. Definitive statements like that tend to make one look a bit arrogant as well as ignorant. The fact is you have no idea what the hell happened, if anything at all.

It was windy here last night and something was pounding on the outside wall of the house, it could have been the ladder, but, I think it was bigfoot.


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'It wasn't' a visual identification. 'It was' an audible identification. That means that I "heard" what the creature was.

I got a friend that guides for grizzlies. Some 'non-intellectuals' pay a fortune.
I got a lot of family that hunts big game, in Washington and Alaska. I was never impressed. Except when they crashed their truck(s) into a moose. :D
 
Because those do not sound like a low flying jet, and lay waste to the forest as they move about. Additionally, neither of those creatures will cause a mass exodus of mammals that was described. He saw a tidal wave of critters fleeing from this monster. Even construction equipment doesn't explain that. Those animals knew that a bipedal apocalypse was besetting upon them, like some deadly broom sweeping the firmament. What were the birds doing? Surely such a horrific and loud crusher would have caused every flying creature to take to wings. They tried and failed. MOTS saw no birds fleeing because they were snatched or stunned, and eaten like popcorn.

Fleeing animals? Destruction of trees? Animals eaten like popcorn? Here's the culprit! :)
 
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