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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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AtomicMysteryMonster said:
Fleeing animals? Destruction of trees? Animals eaten like popcorn? Here's the culprit! :)
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Oh how fitting! I remember that cartoon, but now I see a deeper charm. It was only a few years ago that I heard the voice of a real Tasmanian Devil while watching cable TV. Now I'm tickled to hear once again how Warner Brothers dealt with Taz's voice. He can talk to Bugs, but his native tongue is a maniacal rippy-rap snarly jumble. Funny thing is that the cartoon voice is only a variation on the real thing. Somebody must have heard a real T Devil and it made an impression. They make only one sound. The sound of bloody murder.

Watch and listen.
 
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kitakaze said:
You get a straightforward question concerning whether or not the adults down the hill heard the multiple 10-second bursts as loud as a jet plane and this is your response? WTF?
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Did you read the post? It says that when I came flying off of the driveway ledge that everyone was outside, apparently aware. I can't speak for the others. Do you presume that I should?
 
manofthesea said:
It wasn't a bear or deer or elk. Do you have filtration issues?
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manofthesea said:
I hope you're just 'acting' ignorant.
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manofthesea said:
You don't say?
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What exactly is your problem with people not taking you at your word that you encountered bigfoot and offering alternative possibilities?

Also, what's up with the grown adult maintaining they encountered a bigfoot as a small child and dismissing other possibilities knee-jerk when they saw nothing and the alledged event was thirty years ago?
 
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kitakaze said:
What exactly is your problem with people not taking you at your word that you encountered bigfoot and offering alternative possibilities?

Also, what's up with the grown adult maintaining they encountered a bigfoot as a small child and dismissing other possibilities knee-jerk when they saw nothing and the alledged event was thirty years ago?
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Is this obfuscation?
 
manofthesea said:
Did you read the post? It says that when I came flying off of the driveway ledge that everyone was outside, apparently aware. I can't speak for the others. Do you presume that I should?
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I read it fine. Do you remember what you wrote?

I ran through the forest at full speed, coming to a cliff, which I jumped. It turned out to be his uncle's driveway, with everybody outside, hearing our yells.
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",with everybody outside, hearing our yells."

You make no mention anywhere of the small detail of anyone else confirming the multiple 10-second bursts as loud as a jet plane.
 
kitakaze said:
I read it fine. Do you remember what you wrote?

",with everybody outside, hearing our yells."

You make no mention anywhere of the small detail of anyone else confirming the multiple 10-second bursts as loud as a jet plane.
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I CAN NOT SPEAK FOR OTHERS. GET IT?

We went back the next day. After that, we just left it alone. I talked to my dad's friend, the ex-sheriff later. That's it. Our fishing encounter was just that, also. We fished briefly, then left.

I've never obsessed over this. Never read any bigfoot books. Never watched that Boggy Creek thing. I didn't even know that there were research organizations out looking for bigfoot. Didn't care.

(Now for the 10th time) I just found BFF in May. JREF when I was suspended there. I figured that I would tell about my encounter. And I did.

Now, if anybody wants to act presumptious, and tell me what happened to me, I will surely straighten that out.
 
manofthesea said:
I bleev that I'm gonna put you and WP on 'Ignore'.
Too much nonsense. Too little relevance.
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Too bad. I guess you'll miss my post on how an orangutaun would've thrown sticks at you for throwing something at it. As I recall, they're quite territorial and some orangs once pelted the late Steve Irwin with sticks for him getting too close for their liking.
 
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AtomicMysteryMonster said:
Too bad. I guess you'll miss my post on how an orangutaun would've thrown sticks at you for throwing something at it. As I recall, they're quite territorial and some orangs once pelted the late Steve Irwin with sticks for him getting too close for their liking.
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In that instance, it was my father, my brother and me. That was one of my father's fishing spots.

It must have been the same creature. Or do You think it was different?

If it was an orangutan, and it threw a stick and attacked, it would have suffered mightily.
 
Geno said:
The sound at the beginning of this was actually made by Roger Patterson. According to Rene Dahinden, Patterson went up into a church tower and yelled into a bucket and recorded it to use as an example of what a Bigfoot sounds like. Pretty clever for a guy the bigfoot researchers claimed was not very smart.
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Whoa, so that's his "yelling into a bucket" recording? It sounds a lot more impressive than I thought it would. Just to be sure this was indeed the work of Mr. Patterson, I did a little research. This website has a version of the sound that's obviously the same "roar," but sounds higher pitched than the scream used in the Youtube video (maybe it's a compression issue?).

I also came across this BFF thread, in which several people agree that this is indeed Patterson's creation. Apparently, the sound was presented in the film "Bigfoot: Man or Beast" as an "approximation of a scream." Roger Knights, quoting Jerry Merritt's "A Tale of Two Suits" (118) said "He [Patterson] went up to this ol' time church in Yakima ... and asked them if he could climb up in there and make this tape. He went up in the tower and put a bucket over his head and screamed! So he made this tape and slowed it down real slow like a call, like a Bigfoot call."

So he even knew enough to alter the recording in order to make it sound "just right." As many have stated before, Roger Patterson doesn't get the credit he deserves for his intelligence and talent. As for the recording, it'd be interesting to submit it for sound analysis to see if we get the ol' "couldn't have been made by a human" result.

This thread notes that Patterson based his recreation off the descriptions given by people in Yakima who had heard what they thought was Bigfoot. Some might find it suspicious that Patterson would be able to successfully recreate (and know the proper method to recreate) a supposed Bigfoot roar in the Yakima area. I'm not one of them, mainly due to those elk and red stag sound related materials that I found. I just think that Roger Patterson was clever/talented enough to do a good imitation of an elk. After all, they do seem to have them in the Yakima area.

Page 2 of this thread gives us this choice quote by a poster called "billkirbywofb":

Here is what I remember from 41 years ago. Patterson was contacted by a TV program or a film company to provide a bigfoot howl. After attempts to get a recording in the wilds, and a deadline approching, Patterson came up with this audio. (After all we know the problem of getting a b.f. vocalization on demand) When I met Patterson, in 1966, he had an audio tape. But as I remember, it was not that impresive and not the one were are talking about. I could see the producers that contacted Patterson saying "Well that is nice, but we need something better". And Patterson came up with something that pleased them.

I question the bell tower of a church story. There were not that many bell towers in Yakima at that time. And those were pretty well secured. After all you do not want to allow any of the local kids to get into the tower at 3:00 in the morning to ring the bell. And wake up half of the community. I suspect that there would have been other rooms or building that would have had a better reverb quality required to make the sound in the area. So I kinda doubt this part of the story.
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And if this guy is correct about Patterson not being able to gain access to a bell tower, wouldn't this imply that Roger Patterson was lying? Then again, this person didn't seem to read the part about Patterson getting permission to use it and not sneaking in like this guy thinks he did. However, the part about Patterson making a recreation when the "real stuff" just wouldn't do is pretty amusing (and thought provoking) if the poster's claims are true...

The thread also notes some Patterson-associated Bigfoot tracks that were made before and after the P/G footage was shot.

By the way, here's a direct link to the sound if anyone here wants to really freak out their trick-o-treaters this Halloween.

As a special bonus, here's some more on the fake head from the "Bigfoot screams" video. I also found this video featuring Paul Freeman. Come to think of it, some of the details in Freeman's Bigfoot video match up to that clip from the Tenacious D movie that I linked to over in the Invisible Bigfoot thread. I guess it goes to show you that the type of suit needed for a Freeman-style video wouldn't need to be very advanced.
 
William Parcher said:
Oh how fitting! I remember that cartoon, but now I see a deeper charm. It was only a few years ago that I heard the voice of a real Tasmanian Devil while watching cable TV. Now I'm tickled to hear once again how Warner Brothers dealt with Taz's voice. He can talk to Bugs, but his native tongue is a maniacal rippy-rap snarly jumble. Funny thing is that the cartoon voice is only a variation on the real thing. Somebody must have heard a real T Devil and it made an impression. They make only one sound. The sound of bloody murder.

Watch and listen.
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Nice find! I seriously thought someone had overdubbed sounds from the cartoon version over live action footage at first, but I soon realized that those were the real deal. It's amazing that they were accurate about the noise, but added in so many other details that didn't match up to the real animal.
 
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