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Psychic Detectives are real

polomontana said:
Ladewig,

It's not about evaluating the evidence because we don't start from the same place. I start with the Police Chief, the cold case detective and the skeptical detective who vouch for the psychic and the skeptic starts with just his or her opinion. The police involved will say the psychic told them a,b and c and it helped the investigation but the skeptic will say it didn't help the detective based on his or her skeptical belief. The skeptic has to bring something else to the table beside their opinion. So I'm not going to suspend reason and believe the skeptic. They start with zero evidence and I start with the words of the men and women who were investigating the crimes.
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Where is this testimony?

So far it is unavailable despite your claims.

Perhaps it comes down to differences in what we actually consider as evidence and the standards that we use in evaluating its credibility.
 
polomontana said:
Ladewig,

It's not about evaluating the evidence because we don't start from the same place. I start with the Police Chief, the cold case detective and the skeptical detective who vouch for the psychic and the skeptic starts with just his or her opinion. The police involved will say the psychic told them a,b and c and it helped the investigation but the skeptic will say it didn't help the detective based on his or her skeptical belief. The skeptic has to bring something else to the table beside their opinion. So I'm not going to suspend reason and believe the skeptic. They start with zero evidence and I start with the words of the men and women who were investigating the crimes.
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Have you talked to the detectives? The television show is not a reliable source of information on the detectives' opinion.

If you have ever been personally involved in an affair that was reported in the media you will know how easy it is to distort and misrepresent the facts. I know of many cases where the media has reported that the detective says the psychic helped, often even showing out of context clips of what the detective says combined with a narrator stating out and out lies. If you contact the detective they usually say its simply not true.

Now there are exceptions, but they are few and far between, and usually the detectives seem pretty gullible. Intelligence does not mean you cannot be tricked by a fraud. "It was uncanny, but it didn't help solve the crime at all." There are many tricks psychic frauds use to look uncanny, but none of there tricks will solve a crime.

Why don't you contact these detectives yourself and ask them outright how the psychic helped?
 
polomontana said:
I start with the Police Chief, the cold case detective and the skeptical detective who vouch for the psychic...
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So, please spill the beans on their names, their titles, their roles and how to get in contact with them now. Please.

You see, we have it on the very best authority that what you claim happened never has. If true, this case would be of overwhelming significance.
 
polomontana said:
Ladewig,

It's not about evaluating the evidence because we don't start from the same place. I start with the Police Chief, the cold case detective and the skeptical detective who vouch for the psychic and the skeptic starts with just his or her opinion. The police involved will say the psychic told them a,b and c and it helped the investigation but the skeptic will say it didn't help the detective based on his or her skeptical belief. The skeptic has to bring something else to the table beside their opinion. So I'm not going to suspend reason and believe the skeptic. They start with zero evidence and I start with the words of the men and women who were investigating the crimes.
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Yes, it is about evaluating the evidence. You assume the information on the show is sufficient as absolute verification that the psychic did help. It is not.
To prove psychic success, you/they would need to provide all the information available to the police prior to the psychic butting in. You would have to compare everything the psychic told the police with what they already had to determine whether any of it was not directly or indirectly already available present in the evidence they had. (And , to help your view, you would need to demonstrate that the police had not simply overlooked or misinterpreted evidence they already had and that the psychic simply interpreted correctly. Watch Psych if you do not understand this point). Since I do not need to watch Psychic Detective to know this is not their approach, I have no reason to believe that their information is of use - even if the small part they have time to cover is mostly correct.

Again, scientific controlled experiments are the only way to prove any of these things - and scientific controlled experiments have consistently come out as not shown/demonstrated/observed/proved (etc.) in matters related to psychic/supernatural things.
 
Slimething said:
So, please spill the beans on their names, their titles, their roles and how to get in contact with them now. Please.

You see, we have it on the very best authority that what you claim happened never has. If true, this case would be of overwhelming significance.
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Detective Brandon Shoemaker... was in the Army and unavailable for the show? If someone gets his number, I'll call him up.
 
polomontana said:
I think when you watch the TV show Psychic Detectives with that alone it doesn't leave any doubt that psychics are for real. These psychics don't just say there's someone in the family who's name begins with H. These psychics tell detectives what the victim is buried in, how they were killed and more. They even have composite drawings made of the criminal before the police even have a suspect.
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By Jiminy, it's odd that cable TV shows seem to be documenting such world-shattering scientific breakthroughs, yet there's no mention of this stuff in the scientific community. Do ya think there's a conspiracy to silence the truth maybe? :)
 
CLD said:
By Jiminy, it's odd that cable TV shows seem to be documenting such world-shattering scientific breakthroughs, yet there's no mention of this stuff in the scientific community. Do ya think there's a conspiracy to silence the truth maybe? :)
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Look, if they can't even get themselves on that Montel show, you know that they aren't the real deal. :p
 
polomontana said:
First the case was covered on the show Psychic Detective. The police were on the show vouching for Kay Rhea. I also believe it was on an episode of Larry King Live as well.

The first sketch was found to be innacurate because the key witness admitted he was drunk at the time. This is why the new detective asked the Chief of police could he use Kay's photo on the news. The detective and the police Chief were on the show and they vouched for the psychic (but I guess they are both either stupid or lying). They showed both drawings and they were completely different. They even held up Kay's sketch next to the suspect when he was caught and you can see why the sketch was a direct hit as the skeptical police officer said.

The criminal admitted to killing her because she was about to "spill the beans" to his wife about their affair. Kay said they worked together in a big factory, they did. She said they were romantically involved, they were. She said he moved south to San Diego or San Bernadina, he did he moved to San Diego after the murder. You can go to Court TV's website and read the description of the show, it was called a portrait of the past. If you catch the reruns on weekends you may see the show.

At some point you have to be a freethinker instead of a closed minded skeptics. Some skeptics are dogmatic about their skepticism and they "believe" psychic ability is not possible no matter how illogical they may sound. This is just one case and I can post many more but this one case seems like a handful all by itself.
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Even if all the above were true, it does not come close to passing scientific and statistical muster. Kay could have just been lucky with the random guessing or had actual knowledge of the murderer. Some people hit 10 passes in a row gambling...it's still just a single random event.

After you point out 100 cases with Kay hitting on all specific points of the cases without error, then you will get some attention. Isolated cases with some vague data is just not meaningful.

glenn
 
polomontana said:
You need at least 15 posts to show links. Just go to Court TV website and under TV shows go to Psychic Detectives and each show has a description. Look for the show Portraits of the Past.

Here's the description of the show from their website:

"Portrait of the Past"

After 13 years, a cold case is reopened by an eager young detective. The file contains two composite sketches which look nothing alike – one given by an eyewitness, the other taken from the visions of psychic Kay Rhea. Could one of them lead to the truth? TV-14
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Day-umn! (slaps forehead) TV show descriptions on cable network websites! They've gotta be absolutely reliable, right? Ghost Hunters for example:

"Grant gets up and leaves through the only door. Minutes later, his chair abruptly moves on its own. He and Grant report to U.S. Coast Guard Senior Chief Boatswain's Mate J. Nolda and Boatswain's First Mate Peter Jennings that the lighthouse indeed does appear to be haunted."

There we go. Proof of the afterlife. Call the Nobel Prize Comittee!
 
polomontana said:
Ladewig,

It's not about evaluating the evidence because we don't start from the same place.
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I really do think it is. From one of earlier posts:


polomontana said:
Some of them do cold reading like Sylvia Browne and John Edwards but some of them are real
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When you evaluated all evidence related to psychics, how did you determine that some are genuine and some are fake?
 
Kelly said:
Oh, yes...the wonderful Kay Rhea. (cough)

http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/2006/03/33106-pmp-sylvia-and-friends-part-ii.html

BTW, there are many of us who believe in a higher power and an afterlife who also believe that it would not appear that psychics are the real deal.
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Ah. Yes. Cough for sure. :mad:

There is a "psychic" here in Toronto that, when he was last given some free publicity by a credulous Toronto Star reporter, it was reported he sent out 100's of prediction per year to the media and reporters. That he guesses correctly so infrequently almost makes me want to give up my faith in statistics. :confused:
 
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
Ah. Yes. Cough for sure. :mad:

There is a "psychic" here in Toronto that, when he was last given some free publicity by a credulous Toronto Star reporter, it was reported he sent out 100's of prediction per year to the media and reporters. That he guesses corretly so infrequently almost makes me want to give up my faith in statistics. :confused:
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Very often, so-called psychics will make so many false predictions that they seem to have managed to score BELOW what you would expect from random guessing.
 
Even a stopped watch tells the time right twice a day. Is that evidence for supernatural ability in watches?
 
polomontana said:
Again, life after death occurs naturally and it's known but not accepted because of people's belief systems. They are invested in death after death.
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Should read like this: "Again, life after death is unproven but accepted by some because of belief systems."

polomontana said:
They are invested in death after death.
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Umm, maybe some just see the reality of death as being a permanent end.
 
I saw on the television once that the government was trying to create alien/human hybrids. There were these two FBI officers and one of them (the female, I think) thought she had been abducted, and she didn't believe the other one when he said that his sister had been abducted. And there was this guy who was always smoking!

I totally believe everything that happened in that show. After all, it was on television!
 
Let's say for the sake of argument, that the police were in fact impressed and felt that the psychic helped solve the case. I assume they are using this psychic and/or others now regularly, right? If not, why not?

And it would be nice if one of these psychics helped find Osama Bin Laden.
 
polomontana, it's the easiest thing in the world for psychics to dredge up details of an old murder case and say they helped to solve it. Irish psychic Sharon Neill is currently claiming to have assisted police in solving the abduction/murder of a young girl in 1983 (see the Badpsychics website for more details). A pack of lies, but no doubt her fans believe it.
 
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