[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

[Loss Leader]

As the war continued, the Final Solution to the Jewish problem was to relocate them outside Europe toward the east. There never was a planned program of extermination. Jews were placed in relocation camps for the same reason Japanese, Germans, and Italians, were placed in camps in the US.

It's so sad because the Nazis had a reputation of being so efficient in all other areas. Unfortunately, when it came to maintaining relocation camps, they just couldn't manage the program effectively.

I feel very bad that they were unable to feed all of those refugees appropriately. The pictures I saw of how they looked when the camps were liberated showed they had lost a great deal of weight. The really sad part is that they were able to get sufficient food to their own troops guarding the camps and that all of the civilians living near the camps had sufficient food as well.

But I'll tell you that the guy who accidentally didn't hook the shower room up to a water suppy had to be the worst Nazi in the third reich. Then when the Nazis negligently dropped Zyklon B into the shower room, that just compounded the error. You'd think the twenty solid minutes of screaming, crying, gagging and moaning would have alerted them to the problem.

And whose idea was is to pull the fillings out of the refugees' teeth? I mean, maybe Germany needed the gold for the war effort but that certainly just exacerbated any health problems in the camps. Some SS guard gets Bonehead Of The Year for that one.

Packing the rairway cars so tight that the Jews inside couldn't even sit down for the several day ride to the camps was, well, not good resource management. A lot of those people died in the cars and never even got to the refugee camps. And I heard that the guy who put together those train schedules was put on trial. How did that turn out?

In all, that vaunted German efficiency was missing from the big relocation project. Let's hope that next time they're able to do a better job.

 

[headscratcher4]

I don't long for the Reich, but I do long for the truth.

I realize you are likely a troll...but how will you know the truth? Comfrotable with the level of scholarship and objectivity in Terhan?

 

[headscratcher4]

It's so sad because the Nazis had a reputation of being so efficient in all other areas. Unfortunately, when it came to maintaining relocation camps, they just couldn't manage the program effectively.

I feel very bad that they were unable to feed all of those refugees appropriately. The pictures I saw of how they looked when the camps were liberated showed they had lost a great deal of weight. The really sad part is that they were able to get sufficient food to their own troops guarding the camps and that all of the civilians living near the camps had sufficient food as well.

But I'll tell you that the guy who accidentally didn't hook the shower room up to a water suppy had to be the worst Nazi in the third reich. Then when the Nazis negligently dropped Zyklon B into the shower room, that just compounded the error. You'd think the twenty solid minutes of screaming, crying, gagging and moaning would have alerted them to the problem.

And whose idea was is to pull the fillings out of the refugees' teeth? I mean, maybe Germany needed the gold for the war effort but that certainly just exacerbated any health problems in the camps. Some SS guard gets Bonehead Of The Year for that one.

Packing the rairway cars so tight that the Jews inside couldn't even sit down for the several day ride to the camps was, well, not good resource management. A lot of those people died in the cars and never even got to the refugee camps. And I heard that the guy who put together those train schedules was put on trial. How did that turn out?

In all, that vaunted German efficiency was missing from the big relocation project. Let's hope that next time they're able to do a better job.

you make a number of good points. Funny how they stupidly placed all of those orders for ovens and gas chamber equipment that they clearly didn't need...oh, wait, Frank Lutenberg (sp?) proved they were only for delousing....lots of louses running around in those over crowded train cars.

And, what a waste of time Himmler's Posnan speech was in 1943 -- given that there was nothing going on. Seems so inefficient...no wonder Speer left early (wink), why stick around if there was nothing to hear?

 

[David Swidler]

It's so sad because the Nazis had a reputation of being so efficient in all other areas. Unfortunately, when it came to maintaining relocation camps, they just couldn't manage the program effectively.

I feel very bad that they were unable to feed all of those refugees appropriately. The pictures I saw of how they looked when the camps were liberated showed they had lost a great deal of weight. The really sad part is that they were able to get sufficient food to their own troops guarding the camps and that all of the civilians living near the camps had sufficient food as well.

But I'll tell you that the guy who accidentally didn't hook the shower room up to a water suppy had to be the worst Nazi in the third reich. Then when the Nazis negligently dropped Zyklon B into the shower room, that just compounded the error. You'd think the twenty solid minutes of screaming, crying, gagging and moaning would have alerted them to the problem.

And whose idea was is to pull the fillings out of the refugees' teeth? I mean, maybe Germany needed the gold for the war effort but that certainly just exacerbated any health problems in the camps. Some SS guard gets Bonehead Of The Year for that one.

Packing the rairway cars so tight that the Jews inside couldn't even sit down for the several day ride to the camps was, well, not good resource management. A lot of those people died in the cars and never even got to the refugee camps. And I heard that the guy who put together those train schedules was put on trial. How did that turn out?

In all, that vaunted German efficiency was missing from the big relocation project. Let's hope that next time they're able to do a better job.

Nominated.

 

[Loss Leader]

Frank Lutenberg (sp?)

Fred Leuchter?

And if you haven't yet, watch the documentary "Mr. Death." He has to be one of the most fascinating characters in the entire Holocaust denial movement.

Nominated.

Woo hoo!

 

[headscratcher4]

Fred Leuchter?

And if you haven't yet, watch the documentary "Mr. Death." He has to be one of the most fascinating characters in the entire Holocaust denial movement.





Woo hoo!

That's it. I saw the documentary. It was terrific. If that is the kind of "truth" A-Train is looking for, well it speaks for itself.

The man was an idiot...but his alleged "proofs" have -- like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion -- taken on a life of their own. So sad.

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

How about "The Iran-Iraq War Never Happened!" for a conspiracy.
Yeah, it was all a conspiracy between the Iranian and Iraqi regimes to drive up the price of oil. Ahmedinejad? Government shill! Newsreel footage? Faked! American tankers mined? True! - after all it wasn't Iraqi or Iranian tankers getting holes blown in them. The "War of the Cities"? Never happened! Western combat correspondents? Fooled with wargames and blank ammunition!

I think you'll find that Historical Revisionism, most especially as espoused by the Institute of Historical Revisionism, can be defined in terms of it's own acronym: IHR - Intent on Hitler's Rehabilitation.

"Casualties at Dresden" deserves a thread of it's own. Suffice it to say that the Nagasaki-equivalent figures have been created and promoted by neo-Nazis such as Irving and his ilk.

Right, time to sign off before temper bests restraint and the Mods arrive.

 

[tsig]

By "best" you mean "vile quasi-Nazi scum," right, MaGZ?

You don't actually admire Nazis and those who long for the Reich, do you? Or are you one of them?

Jackboots become him.

 

[tsig]

As the war continued, the Final Solution to the Jewish problem was to relocate them outside Europe toward the east. There never was a planned program of extermination. Jews were placed in relocation camps for the same reason Japanese, Germans, and Italians, were placed in camps in the US.

Look at what happened in the Andersonville POW camp in Georgia during the Civil War.

You just changed the goalposts for the net.

 

[gumboot]

It's not like Hitler made much of an effort to hide his intentions...

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognised these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
-12 April, 1922

The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were. … I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.
-26 April, 1933

The Result [of a war] would not be a victory of Jewry, but the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe.
-January, 1939

Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter, with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It’s a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me. I have issued the command, and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad, that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death's-head formation in readiness, for the present only in the East, with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
-22 August, 1939

-Gumboot

 

[Billdave2]

I wanna know what her response was.

I just took a class on German History, we had to read several books on the Holocaust. The stories and pictures were horrific to read. From the discussions we had in class some tended to think that maybe people downplayed the Holocaust as not being all that bad, for the simple reason that we just don't want to believe that humans are capable of doing this to others. Maybe I am being gullible (not the first time) in believing this.

Susan

There wasn't much she could say. She tried to play it off with "oh I didn't say it didn't happen, just that it wasn't as bad as they say". She never talked about it at work again I can assure you. She was an older lady and I think it was more ignorance on her part then anti-semitism. The company founder and namesake was jewish and I don't think she ever even made the connection (it is in the south, not many jews around these parts).

 

[Elizabeth I]

When Ahmadinejad was interviewed on 60 minutes, he said something along the lines of "if the Holocaust happened, why don't they let us investigate?"

What is to "investigate"? Do they think the bodies were left stacked in the camps? Are they unaware that many of the participants have died? How could you possibly "investigate"?

 

[Mainstreammedia]

One thing that has always bothered me, is why the Allies didnt do more to prevent it. Information about Auschwitz was out as early as 1943-44, thanks to some brave prisoners that escaped from there...
By that time, it wasnt a logistical impossibility to precision bomb the gaschambers, SS-guards quarters, or even just the railroad tracks leading there. This is a jewish CT Ive heard: The allies, the Soviets knew about it, and didnt care. Thats why they didnt lift a finger. Thats why we jews can only trusts ourselves etc.

 

[procrastinate maybe]

The best historical revisionist source on the ‘holocaust’ is the book The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.

IHR link

In the first year of my history degree they used the IHR as a case study for how modern Holocaust denial operates. IHR is a nasty, insidious organisation populated by "scholars" who have links to the Far-Right.

 

[Revolutionary91]

One reason the holocaust was able to happen was because the German people sat by in denial saying that nothing was wrong. Reminds of the sheep in America today.

 

[gmanontario]

Well I have to weigh in here.

My father was one of the soldiers in the administrative side that processed survivors of the death camps. He saw thousands of corpses, watched them uncover tons of human remains that the oven missed burning and watched people die right after being liberated. The thing that haunted him mostly was the sight of hundreds of childrens bodies stacked up ready for the oven.

He suffered for the rest of his life because of that.

Holocaust deniers are scum pure and simple, btu they should have epublic voices to expose their stupidity and anti-semitism.

There were far more victims that the people in the death camps. Some just died a lot faster than others. Others died piece by piece.

 

[Alareth]

One reason the holocaust was able to happen was because the German people sat by in denial saying that nothing was wrong. Reminds of the sheep in America today.

I understand this thread is about the Holocaust and therefore involves the Nazi's, but can that be interpeted as an invocation of Godwin's Law?

Judges? Can we get a ruling?

 

[Gravy]

One thing that has always bothered me, is why the Allies didnt do more to prevent it. Information about Auschwitz was out as early as 1943-44, thanks to some brave prisoners that escaped from there...

Earlier than that, actually. British intelligence had broken the German codes and were aware that the Nazis were systematically murdering every Jew they could get their hands on in Russia. However, the scale and other methods (concentration camps) of the Nazi plans for the Jews wasn't understood at that time. I don't know if the British could have done much for the Jews in Russia. They didn't want to let the Germans know that they had broken the codes, so they kept what they had learned quiet.

By that time, it wasnt a logistical impossibility to precision bomb the gaschambers, SS-guards quarters, or even just the railroad tracks leading there.

Yes, that was a logistical impossibility. Aerial bombing was grossly inaccurate. And if it had been possible, would it have been effective? My feeling is that an attack on limited concentration camp facilities would have caused the Germans to kill that much faster. Railroad tracks are a possibility, but they are relatively easy to repair, and the Germans had trucks to ferry people around breaches. If it were your air force, would you have risked your limited resources to bomb concentration camp rail lines, or refineries, ball-bearing plants, and weapons factories?

This is a jewish CT Ive heard: The allies, the Soviets knew about it, and didnt care. Thats why they didnt lift a finger. Thats why we jews can only trusts ourselves etc.

It's an understandable sentiment. I think the reality is that the Nazis had to be defeated before their victims could be helped substantially.

 

[Gravy]

I understand this thread is about the Holocaust and therefore involves the Nazi's, but can that be interpeted as an invocation of Godwin's Law?

Judges? Can we get a ruling?

I say his logic is baaaad.

 

[Byzantine Magpie]

As the war continued, the Final Solution to the Jewish problem was to relocate them outside Europe toward the east.

If that's the case, why were many more people transported east than could ever have been housed in the camps in Poland? If you transport 5 million people to locations with housing for maybe 100,000, what are you doing about accommodation for the remainder?

There never was a planned program of extermination.

Nothing specific in writing, no. But the Wannsee Conference discussed things in considerable detail.

Jews were placed in relocation camps for the same reason Japanese, Germans, and Italians, were placed in camps in the US.

Civilians of hostile nations were interned across the world in World War Two. Are you suggeseting that European Jews were civilians of hostile nations? If so, why didn't the Germans similarly treat all other civilians of those nations?

Look at what happened in the Andersonville POW camp in Georgia during the Civil War.

European Jews weren't prisoners of war. There had also been tremendous advances in sanitation and nutrition between the American Civil War and World War Two. If the Germans had wanted to keep the Jews alive, why was the mortality rate of European Jews so much higher than the mortality rate for other German civilians?