[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

MaGZ said:
Butz estimates the deaths of the Jews from ALL causes in the war at a quarter million.
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In that case, where did the other Jews go?

If the Germans rounded up every European Jew they could find, then they should all have been waiting to be liberated in Auschwitz at the end of the war. They were gone.
 
westprog said:
This is at least a plausible approach, but it's usually a cloak for holocaust-denial-lite, much as intelligent design is a cloak for creationism.

It may be that there wasn't a single master plan to exterminate the Jews in camps. However, there was a policy to round up all the Jews in Europe. When the war was over, vast numbers of them were dead. (I'm not sure of the proportions). It's possible to claim that they didn't kill them by gassing or execution - but regardless, they died because the Nazis wanted them dead.

The German Army rounded up many thousands of British and American servicemen as prisoners of war. In spite of the shortage of food, and Allied bombing, they managed to feed them throughout the war, and most of them survived. It wasn't the case that circumstances made it impossible to keep them alive. The Jews could have been kept alive. They were killed instead.
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As the war continued, the Final Solution to the Jewish problem was to relocate them outside Europe toward the east. There never was a planned program of extermination. Jews were placed in relocation camps for the same reason Japanese, Germans, and Italians, were placed in camps in the US.

Look at what happened in the Andersonville POW camp in Georgia during the Civil War.
 
MaGZ said:
As the war continued, the Final Solution to the Jewish problem was to relocate them outside Europe toward the east. There never was a planned program of extermination. Jews were placed in relocation camps for the same reason Japanese, Germans, and Italians, were placed in camps in the US.

Look at what happened in the Andersonville POW camp in Georgia during the Civil War.
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Total BS.

Tell it to my sixty great aunts, uncles and cousins murdered by the SS Einsatzgruppen in Poland and Lithuania in 1941-42, for the heinous crime of being Jewish.

Tell it to my grandparents, all of whom survived brutal labor camps by the skin of their teeth.

Tell it to the Nazi officials tried at Nuremberg, not one of whom denied the crimes of which they were accused.

Tell it to Adolph Eichmann, who, despite the very public opportunity afforded him at his trial in Israel, never even suggested he had not arranged for the deportation and murder of millions.

But for your own sake, take an honest look at yourself and ask: what makes me want to hate Jews so much, to minimize the suffering of millions?
 
Devil's Advocate said:
In reality, (the pictures was dated a year after the war) and they were German people going to a market somewhere in Germany. They had to travel a great distance because their home area was in ruins and had no market anymore.
But, someone presented it as a concentration camp convoy of Victims.
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I've seen the same logic used to deny war crimes during the Balkan wars: use one error/lie to prove that all accusations are thus false.

"CNN once showed a funeral and said it was a Muslim victim killed by Serbs. In reality it was a Serb killed by Muslims. Therefor the Serbs didn't commit war crimes."

False reports or outright lies can be found in any war. I'm sure there were false statements made by refugees fleeing the Khamer Rouge. Doesn't mean Pol Pot was a swell guy.
 
MaGZ said:
Butz estimates the deaths of the Jews from ALL causes in the war at a quarter million.
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The Einsatzgruppen (death squads) ALONE killed 2 million people - most of them Jews.

I'd wish I were surprised by the sight of twoofers buying into Holocaust Denial but I've seen it too many times now.
 
CHF said:
The Einsatzgruppen (death squads) ALONE killed 2 million people - most of them Jews.

I'd wish I were surprised by the sight of twoofers buying into Holocaust Denial but I've seen it too many times now.
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I've seen an ex-jewish Neo-Nazi who believed in that. :eye-poppi
There is nothing on this planet that could shock me anymore after that guy.
 
MaGZ said:
Holocaust skeptics reject the premise that there was a plan to exterminate the Jews or any other group of people. There were deaths from starvation and disease in the relocation camps but no routine of gassing or executions.
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In Germany you would be in jail. Ignorance is the reason you believe in lies of biots and white power low IQ stupid white guys who biggest achievement is hate. Your ideas on this are wrong and the neoNazi sites you get your false information from are trash heaps of lies and hate.

only the top dolts in the world now beleive with you - how long have you been in the idiot world of neo-Nazi scum
 
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MaGZ said:
As the war continued, the Final Solution to the Jewish problem was to relocate them outside Europe toward the east. There never was a planned program of extermination. Jews were placed in relocation camps for the same reason Japanese, Germans, and Italians, were placed in camps in the US.

Look at what happened in the Andersonville POW camp in Georgia during the Civil War.
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The Japanese, Germans and Italians interned in the US were still alive, for the most part, at the end of the war, as were the British and American soldiers held as prisoners. The Jews weren't. That wasn't an accident.

I don't find it impossible that some Nazis had some idea in the back of their minds about doing something with the Jews that didn't involve killing them. What they did do did involve killing them.
 
Irving, among other things, likes argues that no written orders, and that many of the deaths were from things like Typhoid and not a specific act such as driving people into gas vans and gas chambers. What I've never understood is, say it is ONLY a million, it is a million that died because German policy put them in a position where they could die...I know, he argues then that the exageration of the deaths by Jews thus constitutes a falsification in order to justify Isreal and other Jews claims for special treatment etc.

Anyway, I am Just finishing Albert Speer and his Battle with Truth by Sereny. Facinating and frightening. The only conclusion is that the Top Brass knew what the grunts doing the killing knew. It was policy. It was intended. They were sorry they didn't get more.
 
Anyway, I am Just finishing Albert Speer and his Battle with Truth by Sereny. Facinating and frightening. The only conclusion is that the Top Brass knew what the grunts doing the killing knew. It was policy. It was intended. They were sorry they didn't get more.
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You can't kill millions of people by accident. It was a vast, costly and difficult operation. They plucked Jews wholesale out of the Ghettos, and they lifted individual Jews from among their Gentile neighbours one at a time.
 
You might want to read "History on Trial: My day in court with David Irving" by Deborah E Lipstadt for an account of her libel trial with David Irving.

A lot of the holocaust denier theories are propounded by Irving in this court case...needless to say to no effect...It's an excellent read, well written and the British judicial system actually comes out of it rather well...
 
MaGZ said:
If anything more and more people are starting to question the ‘holocaust’. I can remember when the first book to challenge the story came out in 1969 called the Myth of the Six Million. The are more holocaust skeptics today than ever.

http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/Myth_TOC.html
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Well, well, well. Our resistent anti-semite denies the reality of the Holocaust. What a surprise! :rolleyes:
 
Gravy said:
By "best" you mean "vile quasi-Nazi scum," right, MaGZ?

You don't actually admire Nazis and those who long for the Reich, do you? Or are you one of them?
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I don't long for the Reich, but I do long for the truth.

Gravy, it seems you always play the Nazi card, and wallow in cheap emotionalism, when you have no rational arguments to offer.
 
We ARE talking about the Holocaust, A-Train. How do you NOT mention the Nazis ?

Besides, our friend MaGZ has very interesting opinions on the matter...
 
beachnut said:
In Germany you would be in jail. Ignorance is the reason you believe in lies of biots and white power low IQ stupid white guys who biggest achievement is hate. Your ideas on this are wrong and the neoNazi sites you get your false information from are trash heaps of lies and hate.

only the top dolts in the world now beleive with you - how long have you been in the idiot world of neo-Nazi scum
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Maybe I'm not reading what you are reading. I don't see why you are attacking him for being a Nazi.

As I have been reading this thread it seems as if he is just telling us what the holocaust deniers are saying. Which is what the OP asked in the first place, how can holocaust deniers continue to believe.

Susan
 
A-Train said:
I don't long for the Reich, but I do long for the truth.

Gravy, it seems you always play the Nazi card, and wallow in cheap emotionalism, when you have no rational arguments to offer.
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This forum and the internet in general are FULL of rational arguments that support the holocaust. This very thread has tons of evidence.
 
Belz... said:
We ARE talking about the Holocaust, A-Train. How do you NOT mention the Nazis ?

Besides, our friend MaGZ has very interesting opinions on the matter...
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A-Train is part of the anti-semite chorus. He's danced around the issue with directly admitting it on these forums just like MaGZ.
 
sgf8 said:
Maybe I'm not reading what you are reading. I don't see why you are attacking him for being a Nazi.

As I have been reading this thread it seems as if he is just telling us what the holocaust deniers are saying.
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Read more of MaGZ's posts from other threads. The picture will then become clearer.
 
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