[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

Various museums, including the Imperial War Museum here in Britain, have extensive oral/video history archives of survivor and liberating military testimony, not to mention documentary and artefact evidence. Don't worry, it will always be possible to refute these scumbags, even when the last Tommy, GI, and survivor have died. Try entering "concentration camp" in the various sections accessible at this page.

The oral history section alone yields 285 results, and that's just the stuff that's been made available online (and catalogued using those keywords). If you search with the "sound bite" option ticked, you can hear snippets from 20 of these interviews.

As for pictures...
The crematorium oven at Vught concentration camp. In the foreground is a pile of the ashes of human bodies.
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Concrete operating table for the dissection of dead prisoners at Vught concentration camp.
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And so it goes on - photos (144 online with images) of the mass graves, of individuals, all the sort of stuff you'll have seen before and more. Worth a look.
 
Mainstreammedia said:
What are some of the common "evidence" for this conspiracy-theory. And are there ANY of them that makes any sense?

My understanding is, that it is mostly believed by white suppremacist types, the hardcore CT'ers who buys into ALL CTs (Guys like Roxdog, or a couple of other characters on the LC board that jump to mind), but is it also popular among arabs?
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The best historical revisionist source on the ‘holocaust’ is the book The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p251_Butz.html
 
Mainstreammedia said:
God bless'em!
But the scary part is, that we are slowly losing those generations. (Also a great reason for spielberg to do something like his Shoah project) Will CT'ers have a leg to stand on when that happens?
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If anything more and more people are starting to question the ‘holocaust’. I can remember when the first book to challenge the story came out in 1969 called the Myth of the Six Million. The are more holocaust skeptics today than ever.

http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/Myth_TOC.html
 
Mainstreammedia said:
What are some of the common "evidence" for this conspiracy-theory. And are there ANY of them that makes any sense?

My understanding is, that it is mostly believed by white suppremacist types, the hardcore CT'ers who buys into ALL CTs (Guys like Roxdog, or a couple of other characters on the LC board that jump to mind), but is it also popular among arabs?
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I've been discussing this on other groups. As with other CT's, they focus on tiny anomalies while ignoring the obvious.

It's known that the Nazis arrested Jews all over Europe, and took them away from where they were living. After the war, millions of them were gone. Given that fact, analysis of the paint on gas chamber walls isn't especially relevant.

They also have the belief that Jews and Gentiles all over Europe were able to conspire to create imaginary families that lived in their street, to pretend that the Germans took them away, and that they never came back.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Of course, when someone wants to deny the Holocaust, one should ask them which part of it? The part about six million Jews being killed, or the part about five million other people, including such people as prisoners of war, Gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally and physically handicapped, and political dissidents, who were also killed. Or do they deny both parts?
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Holocaust skeptics reject the premise that there was a plan to exterminate the Jews or any other group of people. There were deaths from starvation and disease in the relocation camps but no routine of gassing or executions.
 
gumboot said:
Oh, in answer to your last question, yes Holocaust Denial has a certain popularity in the Arab/Islamic Middle East world. El Presidento of Iran, for example, is a big time Holocaust Denier.

-Gumboot
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AFAIK, there's no mention of the Holocaust in any educational institution anywhere in the Arab/Islamic Middle East world. (I'm not asserting this as a positive fact, but it's something I've heard).

There was a program on the BBC the night before last on modern anti-Semitism, which had an interview from an Arab tv program where they were seriously discussing the issue of Jews kidnapping Christian children to sacrifice them for Passover.
 
firecoins said:
They deny all of it. These anti semites aren't exactly friendly to Gypsies, homosexuals or the metanlly and physically hanidcapped.
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How about Russian anti-semites? I'm sure they don't deny that millions of Russians were killed.
 
parky76 said:
We all know the Holocaust happened. Even Holocaust deniers know it happened. How many Jews were killed? I personally compared an old census of European Jews from 1929 and compared that to post WW2 figures..and I came up with around 4 million dead Jews. Does it matter if it was 6 million or 4 million? No. These are not errors of fact..just errors of math and reliable census data.
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Butz estimates the deaths of the Jews from ALL causes in the war at a quarter million.
 
MaGZ said:
The best historical revisionist source on the ‘holocaust’ is the book The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p251_Butz.html
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The writer of that trash claims basically that there is no evidence of all sorts of stuff, when in fact there is mountains of evidence. Not just oral evidence, as he claims, but photographic and written evidence by the Nazis themselves. Not to mention the physical evidence of and in the death camps that has somehow escaped his research as well.

My aunt was with the British troops who liberated Bergen-Belsen, as a Red Cross worker with UNRAA. As a young woman, she was horrified by what they found. She worked at the Bergen-Belsen DP camp nearby. And had to help deal with the people being "rescued" from that place alone. Even decades later, she had the greatest difficulty in telling us kids about that place...

So anyone who trots out this pile of apologetic trash about "lack of evidence" will get VERY short shrift from me.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Uh, 250,000 people were not killed in the firebombing of Dresden. Some estimates place the figure at about 100,000 but according to the German's own records the loss was somewhere in the 40,000 range.
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Ironically a major source for exagerrating the death toll was David Irving. A lot of Soviet information was dubious as well.
 
MaGZ said:
Butz estimates the deaths of the Jews from ALL causes in the war at a quarter million.
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Oh well that's all right then. :rolleyes:

Butz can estimate all he likes. The facts are something he has yet to come to grips with. And until he does, he isn't worth spitting on, in my book.
 
MaGZ said:
Butz estimates the deaths of the Jews from ALL causes in the war at a quarter million.
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Quasi-Nazi idiocy. Why do you support Holocaust deniers, MaGZ? What do you get out of it?

Some Holocaust deniers argue that Butz's book has never been refuted by mainstream scholars, but in fact many of his arguments have been thoroughly debunked in John C. Zimmerman, Holocaust Denial: Demographics, Testimonies and Ideologies (University Press of America, 2000), and in Deborah Lipstadt, Denying the Holocaust (The Free Press, 1993). Online refutations have been posted by sites such as www.Nizkor.org and www.anti-rev.org.
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http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/but...bCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=butz
 
MaGZ said:
Holocaust skeptics reject the premise that there was a plan to exterminate the Jews or any other group of people. There were deaths from starvation and disease in the relocation camps but no routine of gassing or executions.
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This is at least a plausible approach, but it's usually a cloak for holocaust-denial-lite, much as intelligent design is a cloak for creationism.

It may be that there wasn't a single master plan to exterminate the Jews in camps. However, there was a policy to round up all the Jews in Europe. When the war was over, vast numbers of them were dead. (I'm not sure of the proportions). It's possible to claim that they didn't kill them by gassing or execution - but regardless, they died because the Nazis wanted them dead.

The German Army rounded up many thousands of British and American servicemen as prisoners of war. In spite of the shortage of food, and Allied bombing, they managed to feed them throughout the war, and most of them survived. It wasn't the case that circumstances made it impossible to keep them alive. The Jews could have been kept alive. They were killed instead.
 
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