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[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

When Ahmadinejad was interviewed on 60 minutes, he said something along the lines of "if the Holocaust happened, why don't they let us investigate?" Typical truther style. Besides plain simple denial, a lot of people either attempt to minimize it or claim that it was to the Jews advantage so they could get Israel. These people make me more upset than 9/11 deniers
 
portlandatheist said:
When Ahmadinejad was interviewed on 60 minutes, he said something along the lines of "if the Holocaust happened, why don't they let us investigate?" Typical truther style. Besides plain simple denial, a lot of people either attempt to minimize it or claim that it was to the Jews advantage so they could get Israel. These people make me more upset than 9/11 deniers
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Just finished Vasily Grossman's account of WW2. A soviet Jew working in the Army's paper. The collected letters and articles of his wartime service "A Writer at War" is a seminal piece of war reporting. He was in Stalingard, his reports established the cult of hero around the sniper Vasily Zaitsev. But his account of Treblinka concentration camp was so powerful it was read into the record at the Nuremburg trials. It is singularly the most horrifying compelling, intense piece of prose, I've ever read, made all the more devastating by its matter of fact tone.
 
firecoins said:
They deny all of it. These anti semites aren't exactly friendly to Gypsies, homosexuals or the metanlly and physically hanidcapped.
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Of course, it's hard to be friendly with anyone when you have no friends.
 
Mainstreammedia said:
What are some of the common "evidence" for this conspiracy-theory. And are there ANY of them that makes any sense?

My understanding is, that it is mostly believed by white suppremacist types, the hardcore CT'ers who buys into ALL CTs (Guys like Roxdog, or a couple of other characters on the LC board that jump to mind), but is it also popular among arabs?
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There are will always be idiots who make up lies. The title of this tread is a lie and is repeated by idiots who have no courage to understand the truth and no ability to be able to use their brain for useful tasks.
 
Billdave2 said:
One of my former co-worker's father was a photographer in the army during WWII. He has a box of pictures taken at one of the concentration camps. One day he overheard some of the ladies that worked for him (he was the lab manager) talking about the holocaust. One lady mentioned that it "wasn't as bad as they say". The next day, when he handed out assignments for the day, her assignment was to look at the pictures his father took.
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I wanna know what her response was.

I just took a class on German History, we had to read several books on the Holocaust. The stories and pictures were horrific to read. From the discussions we had in class some tended to think that maybe people downplayed the Holocaust as not being all that bad, for the simple reason that we just don't want to believe that humans are capable of doing this to others. Maybe I am being gullible (not the first time) in believing this.

Susan
 
4 million...6 million....

As if history is to be re-written if only 4 million died.
 
Well 'the Nuclear Holocaust never happened', Hitler's Holocaust did.

'Why people believe wierd things...' has a chapter about the holocaust deniers. It's well worth a read.
 
another claim is that the Red Cross "only" found 250,000 (confirmed) dead at Auschwitz.

Note that the Red Cross also said that "only" 25,000 were killed during the Dresden bombing, and were out by a factor of 10 in that case.

(these figures may be a bit out, it is years since I read about this)

Also, the gas chambers at Auschwitz were converted to bomb shelters towards the end of the war, which is why only trace amounts of zyclon were found there. (the Russians rebuilt them in 1946 I believe)

The problem is that some countries lock Holocaust deniers away, instead of debating (or ignoring) them. What next? Lock up people who think the moon landings were fake?`
 
The only error I've seen personally is some pictures that were sold off as 'people being shipped to concentration camps' in the back of trucks.
In reality, (the pictures was dated a year after the war) and they were German people going to a market somewhere in Germany. They had to travel a great distance because their home area was in ruins and had no market anymore.
But, someone presented it as a concentration camp convoy of Victims.

I think people argue the facts of history just because they like to argue, not because they believe themselves to be correct.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
The only error I've seen personally is some pictures that were sold off as 'people being shipped to concentration camps' in the back of trucks.
In reality, (the pictures was dated a year after the war) and they were German people going to a market somewhere in Germany. They had to travel a great distance because their home area was in ruins and had no market anymore.
But, someone presented it as a concentration camp convoy of Victims.

I think people argue the facts of history just because they like to argue, not because they believe themselves to be correct.
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there are lots of little errors. One picture had smoke added to chimney in one of the concentration camps.

I sometimes think that Holocaust deniers actually forge their own stuff, then use it to back up their theories.
 
gumboot said:
Yes. My bad. :o Holocaust Denial is certainly popular amongst wheat-Muslims (Muslims from west countries where the primary crop is wheat, such as Iraq). I'm not sure how common it is amongst Rice-Muslims (Muslims from east countries where the primary crop is rice, such as Indonesia).

-Gumboot
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Does that make the wheat eating muslims in the US corn-Muslims? ;)
 
I hold a particular dislike for Holocaust deniers. My grandfather fled Germany in 1935, specifically to escape the Nazis. He tried to convince his family to flee as well, but they were convinced that nothing that bad could happen in modern Germany. Most of them died in the camps. I've read the letters my great-grandmother wrote in the late 40's (she died in '51 due to health issues brought on by her imprisonment), detailing what happened to the family. Absolutely chilling.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
Liszt said:
Note that the Red Cross also said that "only" 25,000 were killed during the Dresden bombing, and were out by a factor of 10 in that case.
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Uh, 250,000 people were not killed in the firebombing of Dresden. Some estimates place the figure at about 100,000 but according to the German's own records the loss was somewhere in the 40,000 range.
 
I was born in Austria. I have plenty of relatives who lived there during Hitler's time. Let me tell you, if the whole thing never happened, I'd bet they'd be the first ones denying it, not apologizing for it.
 
parky76 said:
We all know the Holocaust happened. Even Holocaust deniers know it happened. How many Jews were killed? I personally compared an old census of European Jews from 1929 and compared that to post WW2 figures..and I came up with around 4 million dead Jews. Does it matter if it was 6 million or 4 million? No. These are not errors of fact..just errors of math and reliable census data.
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That means that 4 million Jews who were alive in 1929 were dead by 1945. Some would have died anyway of natural causes in the intervening 16 years (any acturaries care to give an estimate?) Some of those 4 million would have had children in the years between 1929 and their internment. Because they weren't around in 1929, they will not have been counted by your method.

Would it be more useful to make use of the population growth rates in the territories concerned and calculate what the Jewish population would have grown to if it had not been for the Holocaust? Would the difference between that figure and the actual 1945 Jewish population be a more reliable estimate of the number murdered?

Anyway, never mind playing around with numbers, how do the deniers explain the physical and eye-witness evidence?
 
I've heard some Holocaust deniers trying to play with the numbers, bringing it down to 1 million killed in the Holocaust. Okay, one million deaths. That's really not so bad, is it? Wait, don't answer that.

firecoins said:
They deny all of it. These anti semites aren't exactly friendly to Gypsies, homosexuals or the metanlly and physically hanidcapped.
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Funny considering most of them are mentally handicapped.

gumboot said:
Yes. My bad. :o Holocaust Denial is certainly popular amongst wheat-Muslims (Muslims from west countries where the primary crop is wheat, such as Iraq). I'm not sure how common it is amongst Rice-Muslims (Muslims from east countries where the primary crop is rice, such as Indonesia).

-Gumboot
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Not sure about Indonesia but I've spoken to many Malaysian anti-Semites.
 
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