[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

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Dishonourable with regard to the donation maybe, it depends on who I am dealing with. Some people think that christians can't wait to do a good turn, a bit like boy scouts. Some people think that christians are at a permanent disadvantage because they will always 'do the right thing first' no matter what.
That is a naive and mistaken assessment.
A liar I am not.
With regard to this current state of affairs, you are at such a disadvantage that it's very difficult for me to sound anything other that disdainful.
I am at the slight disadvantage of not being able to post too lengthy a reply, because it might hit the bin.
I could be conversing with an american patriot who is only partially au fait or a neocon who is fully au fait and fighting a rear guard action.
Either way, other people are viewing, so I am getting a message across.
Today's problems are home made and they come from the age old notion of superiority, of ruling, of belonging to a group that does not agree that no one person is any more important than the next.
I could start anywhere, I'll start nearly a hundred years ago with the Titanic.
Brevity being the order of the day.
They got the toffs off the Titanic by locking up families down below in steerage to drown before the ship sank. They put 16 toffs in a life boat that could hold 60. They did this perfectly rationally and after discussion. They did it because they believed in 'superiority'.
Only then did they allow the maxim "Women and children first" to have some airing. I thought that mentality had died, it hasn't. It's a mentality that is food and drink to the likes of me and I will take pleasure in crushing it.
This is nowhere near a complete answer, but it's a start. As I say, brevity is the order of the day.

Save you patornising world view for somebody who cares to listen to you. Do not treat people as though they are blissfully unaware of the worlds injustices and only you do.I do not take kindly to be talked down to by a somebody who continually lies.

You have blown your last chance to redeem yourself, you have been thrown out of last chance saloon and are now in the gutter with the rest of last chance saloons rejects.

You are a liar, proven over and over again. You lie when you accuse your fellow countrymen of mass murder without a shred of evidence and defend the terrorists who committed this wicked act. You do not debate, you simply swallow lies and spew them back onto internet forums.You have avoided every single point I have put to you as you have avoided every single point that anybody else has taken the time to put to you. You should be grateful that people would take the time to show why you are wrong but you are not. This is because you are dishonourable. You have not got the common manners that most human beings have , that being to accept they are wrong and say " Thanks guys for taking the time to explain that to me, gee I guess I was wrong, thank you ".

I do not tolerate dishonourable liars in my normal everyday life and see absolutly no reason to tolerate them on-line. You deserve much more,not just from me but all the people that have bothered to respond to your wanton lies but forum rules and my own sense of civility prevents me from doing so.

There is nothing more disgraceful in life that somebody who has to lie to make themselves feel important about themselves and there is nothing to be gained by stroking such an individuals ego.I will fuel your delusions no further , you simply are not worth the time or effort. You can welcome to your beliefs, for they are those of a lonely,desperate ,dishonourable, liar.

Good day.
 
Remember Bob Woodward? He and Carl Bernstein rooted out a previous bent president.
Seeing as you have no faith in my accumulated knowledge, let's see you say the same about him.
Check out 36mins to 37mins here,
Four years of lies from Whackjob, 100 attacks per day on troops.
You're bleating about one lie/retraction from me, How about complaining about this,
Programme 9,
American Perspectives, Woodward and Bernstein, Discussion on VP's and Jewel.
If you haven't time to listen to it all, then 36 - 37 mins.
http://www.c-span.org/VideoArchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,&ArchiveDays=100&Page=12
 
Neocons got Steven Jones sacked (or forced to resign).

why do you persist on repeating this apparent falsehood. HIS LIEs and his unprofessional conduct was what got him to RESIGN. When the professors of his own college showed that his Claims were without merit; when he was supposed to be teaching about scientific based research and HE didn't even follow it (by submitting his work to respected journals to peer review) he WENT out and CREATED HIS own sham "journal" in order to get his paper "published"

By all means, he violated the simple morality clause of his employment by being a hypocrite.


No, he got himself to be the center of BAD attention for BYU for being a professor, who is supposed to follow the RULES of science, and he himself wasn't doing so.




so, again, please provide EVIDENCE of any explosives material found at the WTC site. I've asked this of you many times and all yo udo is point to STeven Jones, which we have proven that his claims are dubious at best and not supported by evidence. And your continued ignorance about what THERMATE actually is shows that you have not once stepped outside the little world you live in and actually go out an learn something


Put up or shut-up.
 
What does this non sequitur have to do with the price of cheese?

Bob Woodward didn't promise 1,000 dollars to charity here. You did.

Just because you agree with Bob Woodward on something doesn't make you any less of a liar.

Get over it, I have.
 
Remember Bob Woodward? He and Carl Bernstein rooted out a previous bent president.
Seeing as you have no faith in my accumulated knowledge, let's see you say the same about him.
Check out 36mins to 37mins here,
Four years of lies from Whackjob, 100 attacks per day on troops.
You're bleating about one lie/retraction from me, How about complaining about this,
Programme 9,
American Perspectives, Woodward and Bernstein, Discussion on VP's and Jewel.
If you haven't time to listen to it all, then 36 - 37 mins.

You are neither Woodward or Bernstein. They have journalistic integrity and credibility. A real investigator checks his/her sources and data before making an outrageous claim, especially when they put money on the line.

Where did you learn that the current President of the USA had never visited a elementary school prior to 9/11/01? Provide a link, please. Or did you just make it up, assuming that it was correct?
 
Malcolm's Greatest Misses!

A quick rehash of this thread:


There are flight engineers on every commercial long haul flight.

Wrong

Don't forget, it's a cloudy september day.

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NY is 200 miles away and covered by clouds.

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Govt policy is, because there's a war on, that all hardwear is obsolete after two years.

Wrong

That's why the twins went UP, before they came down.

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You know very well that the supposed hijackers couldn't fly a kite.

Wrong

The wings leading edges etc, were reinforced, so that they could slice into the facade of the towers. In the same way that a couple of years ago, in Europe, a USAF fighter plane sliced through the cables on a cable car way, in the Alps.

Wrong

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No such a thing as a transitive verb

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Verb transitive = correct.
Transitve verb = incorrect.

Wrong

Ce la vie = short for C'est la vie.
Imagine a pair of yanks trying to teach me the english language.

Wrong (and funny)

A B52 hit the Empire State.

Wrong

There is no such word as 'fantastical'.

Wrong

Fire alone has never dropped a steel framed building and never will.

Wrong

There was practically nothing to burn in the building at all. The corridors were not carpeted, neither were the bulk of the offices.

Wrong


And that's not even bringing up his engine size problems, his remote controlled plane problems, his WWII surrender date problems, his extension in mm = constant force in newtons fiasco, dodging the smoke color of petroleum based items, armored planes, corregated walls, explosions = explosives and dozens of other things that just can't be summed up in a single quote.

He is not here for debate. For a while I was ready to give him the benefit of the doubt; perhaps he was just deluded and didn't have all of the facts.

But this latest exchange clinches it for me:

I'll donate 1,000 dollars to any charity of your choice, if you can find one occassion before 9/11 when whackjob, as POTUS, spent some time in a kindergarten with the little ones.


I did get it wrong about Whackjob and I am not going to pay up.

Not that I ever expected Malcolm to pay up, but his lying has reached new heights. He has been called on so many wrong things that he now feels the need to preface his 'facts' with ludicrous claims - a childish tactic that he seems to think will discourage people from countering him (i.e. "Well, if he's so sure that he's willing to risk $1000, he must be right. I guess I won't bother checking out his claim"). Like everything else he's done so far, it backfired.

Malcolm is trolling. It's obvious that he is not interested in anything resembling honest debate. He has been called on his nonsense time and time again, and he simply moves the goalposts and spouts more nonsense.

I don't like it when people tell me to stop wasting time with a truther, so I will not do so either to the folks who are still engaging in a back & forth with Malcolm. I am only posting this so that others who may stumble upon this thread without reading the previous 50 pages can realize that it is a lost cause. Simply put, Malcolm is a liar.
 
Malcolm, now that you have conclusively demonstrated your dishonesty and intellectual laziness, I think this would be a good time to revisit you original claims.




Presumably you meant to write "flew by remote control." This has been conclusively refuted; the Spiegel article is simply wrong.




Even granting for the sake of argument that this is true, the point is moot due to the refutation of the previous point.




Also moot due to point 1, but even if it were not, carrying passengers aboard a 787 is currently illegal, yet you'll see Boeing make many 787 flights in the next several months.




Here is a link to the Federal Aviation Administration regulations governing the operation of airlines carrying more than 10 passengers per aircraft (14 CFR Part 121). This version was current as of 1999. Please indicated the section where flight crew members are required to present themselves to passengers by standing at "the" door.




Questionable, but in any case a moot point, as the flights were not remote-controlled.




According to airport information from airnav.com, Offutt's average air traffic is 168 flights a day, all military. Please provide evidence that there was any civilian use of Offutt's air facilities on or near September 11, 2001.




In what capacity? Did they have maintenance technicians at the base? Maintenance or testing facilities? Please elaborate. Also, Raytheon's presence is moot, again due to point 1.




The only two I could find related to alleged anticompetitive practices in bidding on contracts to launch US Air Force satellites. One was dismissed; Boeing was sanctioned by the Air Force for the other. The RICO statute, though intended to combat organized crime, has some ambiguous provisions that have resulted in its attempted application to some large businesses that no reasonable person would consider to be criminal enterprises, including Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Lockheed Martin, Atlantic Records, Microsoft, and Major League Baseball. Are they all in on the conspiracy, too?




I imagine this is a minor consideration, but I'll grant it for the sake of argument. However, it's a moot point, as will be shown.




Uninformed speculation. Further, what about a base commander "who closed his [or her] airport" during important war games in order to prepare for a possible emergency landing by a stricken civilian airliner? Would that commander face disciplinary action? According to your statement, he or she would.




Cheney was not "in direct command of Norad [sic]" on September 11, 2001, or at any other time. See here. However, this is also a moot point, as Cheney still could have issued orders to NORAD in his capacity as Vice President.




A compelling reason such as "that's when the plane is supposed to take off?"




Do you have any evidence that these jets actually landed at Offutt, rather than Omaha's Eppley Airfield, which is only 11 miles away, and where Warren Buffett's jet fleet was based? Further, even if this did happen, what evidence do you have that the airport was closed to military flights at any point?




Buffett had hosted the tournament every year for the previous several years. Please provide evidence that he was "persuaded out of retirement," rather than 2001's just being the last year he planned to participate.




Libelous and irrelevant.




True, but irrelevant.




This is at best debatable, but in any case irrelevant.




Again, please provide evidence that any civilian aircraft landed at Offutt on September 11, 2001. But even if true, this is irrelevant.




Air traffic was normal for the date and time of day.




Patently false, and also irrelevant, except insofar as it serves further to illustrate your gross ignorance of aviation.




Yet again, please provide evidence that any civilian aircraft landed at Offutt on September 11, 2001, and also any evidence that the airport was closed to military traffic at any time that day.

How did Buffet's breakfast date get to Offutt?
She with the military escort.
She who, but for dear Warren, would have been sitting at her desk in tower two, right in time to watch a large jet make its own breakfast call straight through her office window.
You can't dream this stuff up.
As it was she saw it all on TV from Offutt.
I wonder how she showed her gratitude to dear Warren?
 
Save you patornising world view for somebody who cares to listen to you. Do not treat people as though they are blissfully unaware of the worlds injustices and only you do.I do not take kindly to be talked down to by a somebody who continually lies.

You have blown your last chance to redeem yourself, you have been thrown out of last chance saloon and are now in the gutter with the rest of last chance saloons rejects.

You are a liar, proven over and over again. You lie when you accuse your fellow countrymen of mass murder without a shred of evidence and defend the terrorists who committed this wicked act. You do not debate, you simply swallow lies and spew them back onto internet forums.You have avoided every single point I have put to you as you have avoided every single point that anybody else has taken the time to put to you. You should be grateful that people would take the time to show why you are wrong but you are not. This is because you are dishonourable. You have not got the common manners that most human beings have , that being to accept they are wrong and say " Thanks guys for taking the time to explain that to me, gee I guess I was wrong, thank you ".

I do not tolerate dishonourable liars in my normal everyday life and see absolutly no reason to tolerate them on-line. You deserve much more,not just from me but all the people that have bothered to respond to your wanton lies but forum rules and my own sense of civility prevents me from doing so.

There is nothing more disgraceful in life that somebody who has to lie to make themselves feel important about themselves and there is nothing to be gained by stroking such an individuals ego.I will fuel your delusions no further , you simply are not worth the time or effort. You can welcome to your beliefs, for they are those of a lonely,desperate ,dishonourable, liar.

Good day.
Does this mean goodbye?
 
why do you persist on repeating this apparent falsehood. HIS LIEs and his unprofessional conduct was what got him to RESIGN. When the professors of his own college showed that his Claims were without merit; when he was supposed to be teaching about scientific based research and HE didn't even follow it (by submitting his work to respected journals to peer review) he WENT out and CREATED HIS own sham "journal" in order to get his paper "published"

By all means, he violated the simple morality clause of his employment by being a hypocrite.


No, he got himself to be the center of BAD attention for BYU for being a professor, who is supposed to follow the RULES of science, and he himself wasn't doing so.




so, again, please provide EVIDENCE of any explosives material found at the WTC site. I've asked this of you many times and all yo udo is point to STeven Jones, which we have proven that his claims are dubious at best and not supported by evidence. And your continued ignorance about what THERMATE actually is shows that you have not once stepped outside the little world you live in and actually go out an learn something


Put up or shut-up.
Show me your experiments that have proven his claims are dubious.
You put up or shut up.
 
Neocons got Steven Jones sacked (or forced to resign).



You are lying again. You have no idea what a neocon is. The charlatan Steven Jones was an embarrassment to his department. His unprofessional behavior got him sacked.


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Now the tide is turning and I look forward to many neocons and neocon supporters finding themselves in the unemployed lines as a minimum.
You clearly do not read all the posts on here.
Kindly comment on this, here you have a double barrelled broadside.
Not one professor but two, both already happy that there is more than enough evidence of thermate on 9/11.
By the time you've done a number on Deagle, there'll be a dozen behind him.
As I say, the net is closing.
http://911blogger.com/node/9590


Yes, the net is closing on the evil movement you promote so ineptly. Your lies and ignorance are on display for all to see.
 
You are neither Woodward or Bernstein. They have journalistic integrity and credibility. A real investigator checks his/her sources and data before making an outrageous claim, especially when they put money on the line.

Where did you learn that the current President of the USA had never visited a elementary school prior to 9/11/01? Provide a link, please. Or did you just make it up, assuming that it was correct?

I refer you to my previous post on this matter.
Aren't posters expected to read other posts besides their own?
 
A quick rehash of this thread:




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And that's not even bringing up his engine size problems, his remote controlled plane problems, his WWII surrender date problems, his extension in mm = constant force in newtons fiasco, dodging the smoke color of petroleum based items, armored planes, corregated walls, explosions = explosives and dozens of other things that just can't be summed up in a single quote.

He is not here for debate. For a while I was ready to give him the benefit of the doubt; perhaps he was just deluded and didn't have all of the facts.

But this latest exchange clinches it for me:






Not that I ever expected Malcolm to pay up, but his lying has reached new heights. He has been called on so many wrong things that he now feels the need to preface his 'facts' with ludicrous claims - a childish tactic that he seems to think will discourage people from countering him (i.e. "Well, if he's so sure that he's willing to risk $1000, he must be right. I guess I won't bother checking out his claim"). Like everything else he's done so far, it backfired.

Malcolm is trolling. It's obvious that he is not interested in anything resembling honest debate. He has been called on his nonsense time and time again, and he simply moves the goalposts and spouts more nonsense.

I don't like it when people tell me to stop wasting time with a truther, so I will not do so either to the folks who are still engaging in a back & forth with Malcolm. I am only posting this so that others who may stumble upon this thread without reading the previous 50 pages can realize that it is a lost cause. Simply put, Malcolm is a liar.

Makes you wonder where all the views have come from eh?
 
Show me your experiments that have proven his claims are dubious.
You put up or shut up.


excuse me, but HIS OWN EXPERIments proves there was no thermate!

again, would you please stop being willfully ignorant

how many times must this be repeated to you?

HE found:
iron oxide, aluminum and SULFUR


HE DID NOT FIND:
BARIUM NITRATE


what part of the make up of thermate do you not understand? Wihout Barium Nitrate, thermate is nOT POSSIBLE!

That like making bread without YEAST!




again, his OWN findings proves there was no thermate


Your continued posturing on this shows that you are nothing more than dishonest and a liar.
 
Quite funny.
I have already explained that posters on here permanently require absolute proof of any sentence, any notion. Suspicion is not part of their vocabulary.
Yet the doctrine of a pre-emptive strike is all about suspicion.
I suppose you can see no inconsistency in that.
Are the neocons and the MSM not, right now, clamouring to bomb Iran back into the stone age. On what grounds of absolute proof?
Why was Afghanistan invaded? Why are troops still there?
Why was Iraq invaded? Why are troops still there?
There is no war. Only in the mind of the neocons. The 'war' against Iraq ended when Bush declared 'Mission Accomplished'.
When, if ever, all troops are pulled out of Iraq, then the Iraqis will set about deciding their own destiny. What is going on now is a dog and pony show in oreder to purloin the oil that rightfully belongs to the Iraqi people. It's called theft.



You are lying again. American has NEVER stolen the oil of any nation. We pay through the nose for oil.

Other America-hating liars falsely claimed in 1991 that our intention was steal Iraqi oil. They have never apologized for their dishonest slander. Instead, they renewed it and were proved wrong again.


Where is the threat from Iran? There isn't one.


Yes, the Iranians want nuclear weapons for peaceful purposes, no doubt.


If left alone these Banksters, that have a grip on the US MSM will think nothing of setting the world on fire, never mind just the middle east.
The USA has cancer and needs to scrap the MSM monopoly, abide by the constitution, start immediately impeaching the dozens of fascists that are currently running free and that's just for starters.


Wow! The mythical "Banksters" are simultaneously evil Jooos and fascists. Not bad, Malcolm. Not bad for a guy who welshed on a debt.
 
This is like taking candy off a baby.



A useful rule: In order to take candy from a baby, first you must find a baby.


You mentioned 'burn for weeks', so don't try and ship this one around on me.
What could possibly cause the piles to burn for weeks?


Well, we know that thermite and thermate couldn't do it. The real scientists and engineers believe that the sheer volume and weight of the debris created insulation that prevented the fires from losing heat. What is your dishonest, uninformed opinion?
 
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