Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

[termite37]

What's your question?

(ETA: that was in response to the cryptic "non-profit org?")

sorry bud, my lips are sealed about that. It was nice posting on here about my experience of what I witnessed and thought it was okay to share.. again guess not!

 

[Oualawouzou]

sorry bud, my lips are sealed about that. It was nice posting on here about my experience of what I witnessed and thought it was okay to share.. again guess not!

You are more than welcome to share your stories. But it's hard to take you seriously when you refuse to expand or back up any statement you make. Did you expect unquestionning pats on the back and approval that the world is full of woo-nderful mysteries?

 

[termite37]

You are more than welcome to share your stories. But it's hard to take you seriously when you refuse to expand or back up any statement you make. Did you expect unquestionning pats on the back and approval that the world is full of woo-nderful mysteries?

I did expect some kind of a positive influence, but however I can understand the skepticism. In any post that I have to make, I have to prove it I guess. *mind me, I am new to this forum*

 

[Oualawouzou]

Actually, we only ask people to prove things that run contrary to all other evidence put forth.

If you say "I saw an illusionist levitate a paper clip", nobody will bat an eye. If you say "I can levitate a paper clip for real without any tricks", people will ask for proof.

If you say "some charities actually funnel money to terrorist groups", nobody will bat an eye: it's been proven already. If you say "all charities are nothing more than money sinkhole designed to enrich their administrators", then we'll ask for proof, as current evidence points to the vast majority of charities actually giving back donations made to them.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs and all that jazz...

 

[Tricky]

Howdy Tricky.

I have found the best way to check to test my "understanding " is to do the same experiment with another person present.
By discussing the event at a later date and comparing similarities in our experiences allowed me to get some constructive feedback.

Have you double-blinded this test properly? I'm guessing not. But here's one way to check if you are not simply engaging in feedback:

After one of your experiences, have you and the other person who was present write down your impressions. Do this before there has been any conversation or communication of any kind between you. Still without exchanging any information, submit these to an impartial third party who was not present and ask them what they the written notes are describing. If you really are sharing real experiences, then the third person will be able to detect that the descriptions are of the same thing.

This is a very rudamentary test and the possibilities for sensory leakage are great, but if you are being honest and trying to keep from communicating, then you should be able to see if there is any strong correlation between your experiences.

There is no way that I could be experiencing "all perceptions" as I think that this is an infinite set. But please inform me of those "perceptions" that you believe that I am unfamilar with.

Have you ever percieved a large cactus that was made completely out of ladybugs?

And what parts of the "real world" do you think that I don't understand?

LOL. Geology comes to mind.

As for your "fossilised onion" pic.....very cool, particulaly the "nipple" at the bottom of the "cylinder".
It has got me stumped, fossilised trees?......too big.
So don't keep me in suspense.....what are they?

What you call a "nipple is just some of the shale underbed that less exposed to erosion because it was covered by an especially dense part of the much more resistant sandstone, so it did not erode as quickly as the shale around it.

Notice though that there are bedding planes that are roughly horizontal to the ground, yet the "onion peel" of the rock flaking off is somewhat spheroid in shape and is at high angle to the bedding planes. If you knew much about geology, you'd know what causes it.

 

[Paul]

Hahaha.

caritative as in charities? didnt you know that most charities are scams and frauds? They appear legitimate but in the background, they do keep the money donated to them by anyone after making unannounced hefty and hidden profits.

Perhaps you would care to provide some evidence for this blanket attack? Unlikely, as you don't appear to understand what that is.

skeptics will always remain skeptics. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to prove to entire world without being criticized, dragged through the streets by the hair, etc.

Better not let Richard Dawkins know where you live then, he'll be round with the mob and the pitchforks right away.

Turning science on its head, are you saying that science do listen to people?

We have, we are and we will.

Science is all about making money, nothing more.

You are a sad deluded little troll.

Even if I demostrated this levitation act, they will view it as a magic trick or a illusion, nothing more.

If you weren't a fantasist or liar, you would simply arrange a mutually acceptable protocol for a public demonstration of something never seen before, in the history of the world, ever. You could then use the money to live in a tiny little world all of your very own.

 

[Paul]

Hmm.. non profit org?

Yes, notice the words, non-profit organization^WP, and their order, indicating an organisation than does not operate to make a profit, such organisations often, as in this case, exist to support a particular cause or position.

 

[Paul]

hahaha

Hahaha indeed.

ure ignorant to the truth of science. In fact you're so blind and preconditioned.

While you appear ignorant of spelling, communication, science and the nature of reality.

I did work in a science division for many years...whew am I glad I ever got out of that. Experience counts.

I imagine they are too, for the very reason you state.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Have you ever percieved a large cactus that was made completely out of ladybugs?

LOL. Geology comes to mind.

What you call a "nipple is just some of the shale underbed that less exposed to erosion because it was covered by an especially dense part of the much more resistant sandstone, so it did not erode as quickly as the shale around it.

Notice though that there are bedding planes that are roughly horizontal to the ground, yet the "onion peel" of the rock flaking off is somewhat spheroid in shape and is at high angle to the bedding planes. If you knew much about geology, you'd know what causes it.

I havn't see the ladybug cactus, Tricky, but you yankee boys have probably got better drugs than us . I have heard that mescal is wicked.

In the "spaulting" pic I can see what look like vertical strata in the section that I have circled. I also see two more of the cylinder arrangements either side.
There seems to be a horizontal delineation at the base of all three.

But you are the guy with all the "geolicical" knowledge, so tell me, how they did they form?

 

[EHocking]

"I bought me an illusion and I put it on the wall,
I let it fill my head with dreams and I had to have them all."

Guns'n'Roses, "Locomotive", from the album "Use Your Illusion II"

I'm a real smooth dancer, I'm fantasy man
Master of illusion, with my sleight of hand
All the stages are empty when I steal the scenes

Deep Purple, King of Dreams from Slaves and Masters

 

[termite37]

Perhaps you would care to provide some evidence for this blanket attack? Unlikely, as you don't appear to understand what that is.


Better not let Richard Dawkins know where you live then, he'll be round with the mob and the pitchforks right away.


We have, we are and we will.


You are a sad deluded little troll.


If you weren't a fantasist or liar, you would simply arrange a mutually acceptable protocol for a public demonstration of something never seen before, in the history of the world, ever. You could then use the money to live in a tiny little world all of your very own.

Thank you for the threat regarding Richard Dawkins. Whenever I see him around, Ill round up my little posse and haul his arse to jail.

Any more cyber threats you can give me? Just alittle more?

 

[buzz lightyear]

Actually, we only ask people to prove things that run contrary to all other evidence put forth.

If you say "I saw an illusionist levitate a paper clip", nobody will bat an eye. If you say "I can levitate a paper clip for real without any tricks", people will ask for proof.

If you say "some charities actually funnel money to terrorist groups", nobody will bat an eye: it's been proven already. If you say "all charities are nothing more than money sinkhole designed to enrich their administrators", then we'll ask for proof, as current evidence points to the vast majority of charities actually giving back donations made to them.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs and all that jazz...

Hey termite37, I have to agree with these guys on this one, (heaven forbid!).

If you tell a bunch of skeptics that you can levitate objects, don't expect them to say "wow, that is cool".

They will say, as I once said to one of them..........PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

P.S.
Incidently, he shut up.

 

[termite37]

Hey termite37, I have to agree with these guys on this one, (heaven forbid!).

If you tell a bunch of skeptics that you can levitate objects, don't expect them to say "wow, that is cool".

They will say, as I once said to one of them..........PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

P.S.
Incidently, he shut up.

thanks for the inspiration!

yea next time, ill PUT UP.

 

[buzz lightyear]

thanks for the inspiration!

yea next time, ill PUT UP.

Hey termite, if you can do your paperclip thing, do it THIS time, and for the sake of humanity, shut these loudmouth pricks up.

 

[Paul]

Thank you for the threat regarding Richard Dawkins.

Correction:- termite37 is a humourless troll.

Whenever I see him around, Ill round up my little posse and haul his arse to jail.

Ah, isn't that sweet, the little troll thinks it's a cowboy.

Any more cyber threats you can give me? Just alittle more?

I don't know about threats, but here is some helpful information: Men in Black is just a film, never eat the yellow snow, 9/11 wasn't an inside job, 'To Serve Man' is a cookbook, Atlantis is not real, a vampire does not walk in Highgate, man really did land on the moon, The Colbert Report is satire, Elvis is dead and Paul McCartney is alive, chemtrails are not real, and levitation by mind-power is fanciful nonsense.

 

[Belz...]

Hmm.. non profit org?

That's your riposte ?

 

[Belz...]

Thank you for the threat regarding Richard Dawkins. Whenever I see him around, Ill round up my little posse and haul his arse to jail.

Any more cyber threats you can give me? Just alittle more?

I guess you don't have a humor gene, either.

 

[Belz...]

I don't know about threats, but here is some helpful information: Men in Black is just a film, never eat the yellow snow, 9/11 wasn't an inside job, 'To Serve Man' is a cookbook, Atlantis is not real, a vampire does not walk in Highgate, man really did land on the moon, The Colbert Report is satire, Elvis is dead and Paul McCartney is alive, chemtrails are not real, and levitation by mind-power is fanciful nonsense.

A COOK BOOK ?????

 

[Hitch]

I know $1million means nothing to people with paranormal powers, but it means a lot to the rest of us including the JREF. If these people would just come forward and claim their money and donate it to worthy causes of their choice (who despite all their noble intentions might actually need a bit of funding), the JREF would soon be bankrupt and unable to maintain these servers. Then all of us "close-minded skeptics" with no place to meet and share our views (and thoroughly embarrassed by being so wrong) would just dissipate and all the "negative mental energies" we keep beaming to the world would cease and the woos would be free to reach their full potential.

Don't take the money because you want it. Take it to get it away from the JREF and rid the world of our evil.

 

[Paul]

A COOK BOOK ?????

Don't pretend you haven't got a copy, I know it was issued with your black helicopter operators certificate and the key to the secret entrance at Bohemian Grove.