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Matt Gaetz reported to be leaving the House

jimbob said:
I'm not. A lot of them are cults wearing the clothes of the dominant religion.

If you fall for Jimmy Swaggart etc. you're probably not going to see anything wrong with Trump.

Enough of Trump's agenda aligns with their interests and even in the UK, I have met evangelical Christian woman who believe they should be subservient to men.
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Also.

If you are an evangelical Christian you are likely to be a biblical literalist, so you already believe silly things some of which need intellectual contortions to avoid parts of the bible from contradicting other parts.
 
dudalb said:
Three is the magic number of GOPers who will have to vote against Gaerz for him to fail.
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Has no one watched House Of Cards?
Gaetz is an impossible choice, deliberately offered to make them feel good and powerful when they reject him. So that Trump can place his actual choice afterwards without much or any opposition.
 
his actual choice wouldn't have any opposition already. look as his cabinet nominations, gaetz is the only one anyone is making a stink about, and even then there's a decent shot he'll get confirmed anyway.
 
I was reading something rather conspiracy theoristish today. Trump is nominating Gaetz because Gaetz was about to get expelled due to the ethics report. Even if he gets denied the position he'll go back to not having a government seat, which means DeSantis can then install him in Marco Rubio's seat in the Senate.

I don't think the Trump administration is that smart, but it's an entertaining story line.
 
dirtywick said:
his actual choice wouldn't have any opposition already. look as his cabinet nominations, gaetz is the only one anyone is making a stink about, and even then there's a decent shot he'll get confirmed anyway.
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Gaetz doesn't stand a chance. You could better argue that he's the nominee who draws all the flack so the others can get through.
 
Brainster said:
Gaetz doesn't stand a chance. You could better argue that he's the nominee who draws all the flack so the others can get through.
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I disagree, I think he has an excellent chance of being appointed. I'd be very surprised if any Republican senators are willing to actually vote against his appointment. Sure, they may be willing to grumble off the record but they cannot afford to draw the ire of Trump and the MAGA crowd and find themselves being primaried.

This of course assumes that Trump doesn't make any contentious appointments during a period of senate recess.

I'm not so sure that Trump will go the recess appointment route. I think he wants a clear victory and to humiliate any people briefing against him so he'll bring Gaetz to the Senate and dare the senators to defy his will.
 
The Don said:
I disagree, I think he has an excellent chance of being appointed. I'd be very surprised if any Republican senators are willing to actually vote against his appointment. Sure, they may be willing to grumble off the record but they cannot afford to draw the ire of Trump and the MAGA crowd and find themselves being primaried.

This of course assumes that Trump doesn't make any contentious appointments during a period of senate recess.

I'm not so sure that Trump will go the recess appointment route. I think he wants a clear victory and to humiliate any people briefing against him so he'll bring Gaetz to the Senate and dare the senators to defy his will.
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Yeah, but you literally go with the worst possible outcome in every topic you discuss. War in Ukraine? Worst possible outcome. UK elections? Worst possible outcome, and on and on. At this point it would be shocking if you actually had an optimistic post. I don't think such a thing exists.

You'll have to forgive me if I'll wait to see how it all turns out since you're like 1 for 3 on "worst possible outcome" predictions.
 
plague311 said:
Yeah, but you literally go with the worst possible outcome in every topic you discuss. War in Ukraine? Worst possible outcome. UK elections? Worst possible outcome, and on and on. At this point it would be shocking if you actually had an optimistic post. I don't think such a thing exists.

You'll have to forgive me if I'll wait to see how it all turns out since you're like 1 for 3 on "worst possible outcome" predictions.
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I disagree - I think I am realistic.

For example, in the Ukraine thread, the majority view for the last two and a half years seems to be that the Russian Army is on the brink of collapsing but that seems to fly in the face of the evidence that Russia is still slowly grinding forward in the East and holding the lines elsewhere.

In US Politics, I thought that Trump would win the Electoral College but couldn't believe that he would win the popular vote by a significant margin. I didn't go for the worst possible outcome and as it turned out, I should have. The waves of posts which were confidently predicting a Harris victory, landslide even, were ridiculously overoptimistic IMO.

The one thing where I'm happy to admit that I was much more pessimistic about the outcome than I should have was the UK election but then I completely underestimated the effect that Reform would have on the Conservative vote. Getting a huge majority with only 34% of the votes cast is pretty much unprecedented in UK politics and if Labour had got that any other year, at best they would have ended up as a minority government.

Going back to the appointment of Matt Gaetz to the Attorney General role. Do you honestly think that enough Republican senators will find a spine, defy Trump and vote against his appointment ? Why are you so optimistic when we have the last 8 years of experience of the opposite ?
 
I don't think it's out of the question that GOP senators will decry Donald Trump's cabinet picks in the media and then quietly vote to confirm them. Back when we had that horrible state school board member, all the GOP people in our state legislature condemned her behavior in office in media interviews. But then the vote to impeach her fell far short. Politics is always about saying one thing and doing another.
 
Yeah I seriously don't get why we're STILL having people do the whole "On no they'll never do that, that's a step too far, look at how much they are saying they don't like it, they totally won't hang wring about it and then still do it." when that's literally all they do.

The entire GOP is a bunch of Susan Collin's at this point, making a big show of reading the menu even then though all know Trump is ordering for the group.
 
The Don said:
I disagree - I think I am realistic.

For example, in the Ukraine thread, the majority view for the last two and a half years seems to be that the Russian Army is on the brink of collapsing but that seems to fly in the face of the evidence that Russia is still slowly grinding forward in the East and holding the lines elsewhere.
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No, that wasn't the predictions that are in that thread. The predictions were\are that when Russia truly starts deteriorating it will be quick, and overwhelming. That can easily still happen and you've been told that ad nauseum in that thread. You also handwave away the massive death toll that Russia is experiencing and have repeatedly claimed that Ukraine is collapsing. This isn't the thread for it, but you can try to sugarcoat your wrongness all you want, but you're still wrong.

The Don said:
In US Politics, I thought that Trump would win the Electoral College but couldn't believe that he would win the popular vote by a significant margin. I didn't go for the worst possible outcome and as it turned out, I should have. The waves of posts which were confidently predicting a Harris victory, landslide even, were ridiculously overoptimistic IMO.
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I said the same thing, but if being right one time is the win you need you can have it.

The Don said:
The one thing where I'm happy to admit that I was much more pessimistic about the outcome than I should have was the UK election but then I completely underestimated the effect that Reform would have on the Conservative vote. Getting a huge majority with only 34% of the votes cast is pretty much unprecedented in UK politics and if Labour had got that any other year, at best they would have ended up as a minority government.
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Yes, you were wrong 2 out of 3 of the predictions\claims I've seen you make and the only time being right 30% of the time is good is if you're a baseball player or a meteorologist.

The Don said:
Going back to the appointment of Matt Gaetz to the Attorney General role. Do you honestly think that enough Republican senators will find a spine, defy Trump and vote against his appointment ? Why are you so optimistic when we have the last 8 years of experience of the opposite ?
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I don't know what will happen. If I'm being honest I don't really care all that much because there's absolutely nothing I can do about it. My option was to vote, and I did. I cast my vote for Harris and that was the limit to my options.

I'm probably different than most others here in that I hope we get the worst possible picks for every position and I hope they're completely, laughably, ridiculously inept. That way when mid-terms come around the Dems can get control of both levels of congress back. That's not even to start with the fact that the GOP is flying high right now. They're living their best life. They've got the trifecta and life is good; however, they also can't govern worth a ◊◊◊◊. There's always a ton of in-fighting, they couldn't even get a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ speaker approved for about a dozen rounds last time, and I don't think the GOP will avoid being fractured in both houses of congress.

TL;DR I'm not subscribing to the fear mongering because we're still a few months from Trump taking control. I'll wait to panic and lose my mind until ◊◊◊◊ actually happens.
 
- Trump's in control now and if you think otherwise you are naive to the point that I literally to know how to explain it to you. This stop being about political power a long, long, long time ago.

- "Yes let the Republicans be as crazy as they can! Give them all the rope! I hope they do the worst possible thing! That will swing the pendulum back to our side!" is.... functionally insane at this point.
 
JoeMorgue said:
- Trump's in control now and if you think otherwise you are naive to the point that I literally to know how to explain it to you. This stop being about political power a long, long, long time ago.
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Lol ok Joe.
JoeMorgue said:
- "Yes let the Republicans be as crazy as they can! Give them all the rope! I hope they do the worst possible thing! That will swing the pendulum back to our side!" is.... functionally insane at this point.
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Oh no, JoeMorgue disagrees with me. How will I manage to move forward? Gee there's no way it can be like in 2018 when the GOP lost 40 ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ seats in a midterm election, amiright?

Call me insane all you want, I seriously give a ◊◊◊◊.
 
JayUtah said:
I don't think it's out of the question that GOP senators will decry Donald Trump's cabinet picks in the media and then quietly vote to confirm them. Back when we had that horrible state school board member, all the GOP people in our state legislature condemned her behavior in office in media interviews. But then the vote to impeach her fell far short. Politics is always about saying one thing and doing another.
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Yeah, that seems most likely.
 
Our best, best outcome is that the him not getting the AG job is seen as punishing him enough for raping children and he gets to just quietly go away, and I find even that outcome massively unlikely.

If, and that's a BIG if, Trump gets enough pushback to not put some of his most insane picks in place, that will be used to a negotiating point to keep them from facing justice for what they've already done.

But again even that's an unlikely pipe dream so there's no political force in place that's gonna punish them anyway.
 
I think it's inevitable that the report will be leaked. It's not as if it's a Top Secret document or anything. (As if that would matter.)
 
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