Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part III

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Planigale said:
The Biden campaign comments regarding Trump "no one should be above the law".

Biden slammed the International Criminal Court prosecutor's application for arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling the move "outrageous".

So pursuing a case against a political ally for a non-violent essentially victimless crime is good. Pursuing a case gainst a military ally for violence affecting thousands is 'outrageous'.

Double standards?
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Ya'll really gonna hammer that stupid "It's unfair to punish Trump for anything while any other crime ever is happening" button and expect us to believe it, aren't you?
 
Well, I guess one thing he can't do any more is shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Felons can't carry firearms. (But I bet the NRA will work to get that changed, with this new fuel.)

He's supposed to speak today. I hope he goes off (teleprompter).

The Great Zaganza said:
Will people ever get tired of the preposterous "if it could happen to a President, it could happen to You!" Non-sequitor?
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Smucker Carlson posted the same thing yesterday. No, it couldn't. Because I'm not a twice-impeached, certified sex offender, convicted felon.
 
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Samson said:
Lawyers on the jury should guarantee an acquittal in this witch hunt.
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TofuFighter said:
Sure. But what if they don't? How will supporters of the USA's First Criminal rationalise that?
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Samson said:
Meanwhile the forgone verdict has had the inevitable result of elevating Trump to hot favourite to win the election
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Oh there it is. I previously asked you how you'd rationalise it if the jury found him guilty. Now I see it was a forgone verdict. Would you mind explaining why? I can only assume that you're referring to some sort of conspiracy.

Samson said:
Wrong.
The republican party are in total control and this verdict has helped.
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And what if it hasn't? How will you rationalise it if the Republican party does not win the elections now?
 
Planigale said:
The Biden campaign comments regarding Trump "no one should be above the law".

Biden slammed the International Criminal Court prosecutor's application for arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling the move "outrageous".

So pursuing a case against a political ally for a non-violent essentially victimless crime is good. Pursuing a case gainst a military ally for violence affecting thousands is 'outrageous'.

Double standards?
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Yep. It's a double standard. It's also a political necessity. The GOP is already slamming Biden for not allowing Israel to kill more innocent Palestinians. Everything associated with the Middle East has always been a cluster ****. It has been since it became the bright idea of the West to carve out a Jewish homeland there in the 1940s.

And the ICC is a political court.

Trump was indicted by a New York State Grand Jury. Tried by a New York State Criminal Court. And found guilty 34 times by a jury of his peers. Trump would be in prison if his money and his power hadn't protected him for decades.

Trump was probably elected President because of this crime. So let's not pretend it was a petty victimless crime. One of his co-conspirators went to prison for years for this crime and spent 60 days in solitary.

And lest we forget, Trump has been indicted for 58 more felonies. Most of which would put him in prison for the rest of his life. And the only reason he has not been yet prosecuted for those crimes is because of corrupt Republican judges. And furthermore we have only scratched Trump’s criminality.
 
to really guarantee his win he should lose a foot to diabetes or club some baby seals. that stuff will play about as well as being convicted unanimously on 34 felony counts.

i mean, i could see how a total acquittal would be good, right? that makes sense doesn't it?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Will people ever get tired of the preposterous "if it could happen to a President, it could happen to You!" Non-sequitor?
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You know what I say to that nonsense?

Good! That's the point. That no one is beyond the law.

If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time.
 
One thing about this verdict:

A couple of days ago, the appeals court formally denied his appeal to his request for a change of venue. The argument for changing is that Manhattan is overwhelmingly democratic voters, and therefore it's not a fair venue. The court denied the request on the basis that political affiliation does not preclude a juror from listening to the evidence and rendering a verdict.

This is a good reminder to those who thought that "It's going be a hung jury because Juror 2 is a Trump supporter and will just hold out." That's really not how juries work, and you saw it here. They went back to the jury room and considered the evidence and asked for clarification about the evidence and their instructions. That's what juries do.
 
pgwenthold said:
One thing about this verdict:

A couple of days ago, the appeals court formally denied his appeal to his request for a change of venue. The argument for changing is that Manhattan is overwhelmingly democratic voters, and therefore it's not a fair venue. The court denied the request on the basis that political affiliation does not preclude a juror from listening to the evidence and rendering a verdict.

This is a good reminder to those who thought that "It's going be a hung jury because Juror 2 is a Trump supporter and will just hold out." That's really not how juries work, and you saw it here. They went back to the jury room and considered the evidence and asked for clarification about the evidence and their instructions. That's what juries do.
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i agree and the carroll trials proved that as well. but, imo, that was his only hope of an acquittal so really the only other possibility worth talking about so i don't blame people for focusing on it.

for the future, i think the election interference and documents trials are even more straightforward and even more well evidenced. the crimes he's been guilty of so far are a little more abstract and there were some elements that were more difficult to prove.
 
Again the disconnect (beyond the standard normal sane humans versus insane troll logic disconnect that is every disconnect when talking about Trump and his followers) is that everything legal about Trump, even the stuff where it isn't the text, has a very strong subtext of "I'm not saying I didn't do it, I'm just saying I should be allowed to get away with it."

What Trump has done is very rarely up for debate, like I've said 90% of the time he's either openly bragging about it or actively doing it while be accused of it.

But that's not where he wants the actual debate to be. He wants to argue he should be able to do whatever he wants either being he did it while he was President or just because "I'm an insane wanna be despot and shouldn't be held to rules."
 
Upon further review, I would like to issue a public apology to Stacyhs. Stacy, I apologize for calling you, in the heat of the moment, a "PITA." It was uncalled for. I still disagree with you on some of these matters, such as how much people should be celebrating, and the level of consequences Von Schitzinpants is presently suffering. But to call you a name was wrong.
 
Elon says

"Great damage was done today to the public’s faith in the American legal system.
If a former President can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter – motivated by politics, rather than justice – then anyone is at risk of a similar fate."
 
makes sense, he should be worried about rich guys getting in trouble for financial crimes
 
Andy_Ross said:
Elon says

"Great damage was done today to the public’s faith in the American legal system.
If a former President can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter – motivated by politics, rather than justice – then anyone is at risk of a similar fate."
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IOW, yeah, he did it, but should be allowed to get away with it.
 
I'm frankly insulted by the low effort of the excuses. Ya'll used to be better at making up stupid crap to defend Trump with.

"It's politically motivated" and "But whaddabouta other crimes?" Weak sauce. D-, try harder.
 
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