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Alien Visitation Contact Proof

There *IS* alien life out there, some of it intelligent, with millions of years of technological advancement.

So then, why do we get such stupid aliens playing such stupid games?

Ah, well, we get the ones who set off travelling millions of years ago when their species was just advanced enough to do that but otherwise as stupid as we are.

We don't see the clever ones who stayed home and genetically engineered themselves over millions of years to be transcendently brilliant. I mean those guys are here too as they can cross galaxies at a thought, but they're way too smart to reveal themselves. They're here studying their own dumb-as-rocks relatives as much as they are studying us.

Don't tell them I told you. The mice would be furious.
 
What we're seeing here is what happens when a deeply held belief runs headlong into a group of people who don't share that belief. cjdelphi has spent years honing his narrative of extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth and on occasion abducting humans to learn more about them. Believing he has proof of this, he's posted it here for all to see ... and got a decidedly unenthusiastic response. So it's very natural and not at all unexpected that he launches a strong defense, most of which is shown to be wanting.

With information available about electrical reclosers, the effects of transient voltages on various lighting systems, and the limitations of consumer-grade surveillance cameras, I believe there's enough information available to explain the posted video in terms other than aliens. Indeed, even the the offered explanations don't 100% cover everything the video has to show, it's still a very long jump to conclude aliens caused the unexplained parts.

cjdelphi, as others have noted, in the better part of twenty years on the forum we've seen these discussions not only with regards to aliens, but to Sasquatch/Yeti/bigfoot, angels, ghosts, young earth creationism, and co-called psychic mediums. The evidence for all of these is poor, fails to stand up to scrutiny, and usually can be explained by not having to invoke the paranormal. Any argument you make against paranormal beliefs that aren't restricted to aliens holds up equally well against aliens, but your considerable investment in them makes you, at best, unwilling to consider that, and at worst unable to.

It's not fun having your ideas challenged. You have the beginnings of skeptical inquiry in your rejection of bigfoot and ghosts, but aren't willing to apply those same criteria to UFOs/UAP and alien visitation. Proper skeptical inquiry requires that you do so. Otherwise all you end up with is a bunch of special pleading as to why your particular belief is true when all the others aren't.
 
If every skeptic is fearful of this, it's because they think something has changed nothing has changed if they wanted us gone, we wouldn't be here

If your fear is abduction, why? It's been happening for a very long time, now you know it happens you are scared? That's the difference then, I'm not scared of an alien species that didn't wipe us out hundreds of years ago I'm not afraid now despite knowing the truth

Alien abduction is not suddenly scary because we finally find out ....nothing new ...same ol bs, I simply caught them out and unlike all the others who witness this flash of light, I caught it

Stop with the unjustified fear...


What have skeptics got to fear? Have you seen the sort of people the aliens mess with?
 
When and who? I've not read nor heard anything about this. How has this been kept so secret and how did you find out about it?


That is because it is currently just in early planning development. You will notice the claimant (who I refuse to address directly at this time, due to their immature behaviour on this thread) has not responded to you. Arthwollipot did get a response for his question:


What? No it hasn't.


To which he was given this reference:

https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-in...hree-times-big


I replied to arthwollipot with this post:


Of course, you are right, but what is funny is when an ignorant response to your comment only magnifies the extent to how out of touch the responder is.

The proposed successor to the LHC is still in the relatively early planning stages. The LHC itself took around 30 years to evolve from concept to completion. Claiming a conceptual idea has "superseded" a working instrument only shows how little that person understands regarding the application of science and engineering. Heck, even the EuroCirCol project only prepped a report (finished in 2019), with more planning to be done.

From January, 2021 -
https://cerncourier.com/a/horizon-event-for-fcc-innovators/

The meeting combined the fourth FCC physics week with the kick-off event for the EU-funded Horizon 2020 FCC Innovation Study (FCCIS). A successor to the previous EuroCirCol project, which was completed in 2019 and supported the preparation of the FCC conceptual design report (CDR), it will support the preparation of a feasibility study of a 100 km-circumference collider that could host an intensity- frontier electron–positron Higgs and electroweak factory (FCC-ee), followed by a 100 TeV energy-frontier hadron collider (FCC-hh) – an integrated scheme that EuroCirCol showed to be doable “in principle”. Key advantages of the FCC design are the multiple interaction points, high beam luminosities and long-term science mission covering both precision and energy frontiers over several decades (see FCC-ee: beyond a Higgs factory). The design must now be validated. “The feasibility study of FCC is particularly challenging and will require the hard work, dedication and enthusiasm of the full FCC community,” noted CERN Director-General Fabiola Gianotti.


So, our brave purveyor of truths we are blind to (that's sarcasm for the cognitively challenged) has no desire to admit their original claim on the subject is as inaccurate as saying the Apollo missions have "already" been superseded by manned missions to Mars. Of course, I am also open to the suggestion that the pretendant cannot adequately fathom the concept in the context in which it was presented.
 
Exactly this argument is useless you will never be happy until they land in your back yard

Alien autopsy was fake, I'll show you everything that isn't real and leave you with what is real and genuinely unexplainable.. again you would not be happy until one landed

I even mentioned lens flare in a previous statement I made as I see it all all the time being passed off as alien I will only provide you with evidence I believe to be true and there is not that much of it out there

Most .can be explained away I do that all the time.

I'm no normal believer i will debunk ghost paranormal and most alien bs online I've only become this way because of evidence I've seen I know can't be faked you will find me arguing with crop circle believers and ancient alien crap if there's no evidence I don't care about it! I only care where it is unexplainable

Unexplainable to you. You don't like the explanations so you discard them to protect your ego from suffering the loss of a belief.

Cjdelphi, I hope you stick around cause I think you could definitely grow as a critical thinker. First and foremost you must learn that *you* have the burden of proof, it is not up to us to disprove anything you believe because it is impossible to disprove a negative, like me asking you to prove I don't really have an invisible dragon under my bed.

Was god born on earth?. No right so god was born else where? Yes.. god must be an alien then

I know full well what lens flare is, I've debunked countless videos .. I only bring up what I can't debunk

And when others debunk it it isn't good enough for you, which brings us back to it is *your* burden to prove, not the other way around.

I've been a skeptic and fascinated with the paranormal since childhood, which blossomed after I saw Randi on a NOVA episode ripping apart astrology and spoon-bending. But critical thinking is an ongoing exercise, you don't just stop and then assume anything left that you can't explain must be aliens.

The key is for you to divorce yourself from your own romantic beliefs and accept that science and objectivity is more important than your subjective experience.

For example, I've had a longtime fascination with Bigfoot, even wrote a book about it 20 years ago. I researched all the sightings and came to the personal conclusion that witnesses most definitely were not lying, many sincerely believed they saw Bigfoot. So, since objective evidence (a body, or even clear footage) was lacking, some other phenomena must account for their beliefs--probably psychological. But trying to put myself into their shoes, I wondered if *I* had an experience and actually saw Bigfoot--would I be convinced of my own senses? Ten years ago, I posed that question to the forum and most skeptics here said "No"--don't trust your senses, the objective lack of evidence rules. At the time I found that response presumptuous and a bit offensive. If you can't trust your own senses, then what can you trust? The answer of course, is objective evidence--science. In absence of that, it is far more likely that your subjective experience is simply wrong. You may wish it to be that science is wrong and it just hasn't caught up to your enlightened opinion, but that is just your wish, it is worthless as far as our species knowledge and evolution is concerned.

So you may want to take that example to heart when you presumptuously claim that your experience *only* can be explained by aliens, since no one has adequately explained to *your* satisfaction how it could not be.
 
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Exactly as your 380+ posts are merely yours. You opened this thread claiming to offer proof. You have provided none - just opinions, and rather ill-founded ones at that.

Still not offering up an explanation for 2 separate beams of light, why the power went off and why that sound happened I see, just more personal attacks..

Keep up the good work! lol
 
This is the glow I see. In the first frame as the lights start to go out there are two patches which momentarily look brighter. It's quite easy to see the change if you pause the very slowed down video at that frame and then click back to an earlier one.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_3561962f668df48d7e.jpg[/qimg]
So far as I can see only those two patches of leaves get illuminated by that blueish flash. One might speculate it's a bat getting fried but we don't know where that happened or the lines of sight from that spot to those trees.

Since the power was on with the first beam of light

Do you agree it's not the power coming on or any of the lights behind this blue patch of light?

It's also obvious now the color temperature of this search beam is extremely cool white on the spectrum, giving that blue, no bulb on the estate has that tint even if the light was responsible..

Despite the power being on when we see it and again 5 second later with all the power clean out logic dictates a light source that lit this up can't be on this estate or we would have seen it with frame before the time skip

We would see it 24/7 we don't it's no glitch as it's the same identical light lighting up the same identical leaves .. it was an external light source from a craft (nothing else explains it) and it happened twice

Since I've come here I have discovered this and I have discovered the light beam when on the ground it casts the same shadows as my own light source, that means the light beam intensity stopped outside my window nobody else or the shadows would be different...

Combined with this new discovery, a craft using precisely the same entry position to get down low and same entry path makes sense why we see the same light lighting up the same identical leaves

If it wasn't for the fact the camera adjusted light sensitivity levels , and the power hadn't dropped yet for us to see that, but I'm willing to put money on light being seen on the trees and roofs 60 meters away like we do on the second search beam

I think I have ruled out our own light sources behind this now, that blue lights no where to be seen on any video ever...
 
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I'm ridiculing you because you can't produce evidence of aliens. Your shortcomings as an electrician hardly prove you were visited by or abducted by aliens.

Where did I say I have evidence of aliens? I said alien contact, you know the difference right?
 
Where did I say I have evidence of aliens? I said alien contact, you know the difference right?

I'm not an electrician you clearly don't or can't read English or you would know that, since you don't know that I can't trust that you have looked any proof I have supplied and you are just trolling me (apparently inferring is ok here, I just can't call you a troll)
 
This is the glow I see. In the first frame as the lights start to go out there are two patches which momentarily look brighter. It's quite easy to see the change if you pause the very slowed down video at that frame and then click back to an earlier one.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_3561962f668df48d7e.jpg[/qimg]
So far as I can see only those two patches of leaves get illuminated by that blueish flash. One might speculate it's a bat getting fried but we don't know where that happened or the lines of sight from that spot to those trees.

A bat getting fried to produce that light and the light 5 seconds later means high intensity energy discharge, that includes a nice whip and crack aound along with a nice good brown out all the lights flickering and you would most definitely hear it and see it... so would the entire state with that kind of event

None of that happened and does not fit the theory...

https://youtu.be/zhq-biENbOY

The only thing that could fit is that blue light being from a transformer arc but it wasn't that they had the lines up and running a few minutes after arriving no problems with the transformer or line.. both bat and fault cause sound and light, light lights up the street not a tree and the sound is loud and distinctly clear

I'll just wait for the "show me the aliens" remarks and "that isn't proof" and wait for the ridiculing... yet I keep discovering more to the video and nobody is disproving anything ... by the day...
 
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I'm not an electrician you clearly don't or can't read English or you would know that, since you don't know that I can't trust that you have looked any proof I have supplied and you are just trolling me (apparently inferring is ok here, I just can't call you a troll)

The word you're looking for here is "patronizing".
 
Still not offering up an explanation for 2 separate beams of light, why the power went off and why that sound happened I see, just more personal attacks..

Keep up the good work! lol

Reasonable explanations have been offered by people much more scientifically knowledgeable than me. You reject these explanations and keep parroting "aliens, aliens" based on no evidence at all.

No need for me to do any work. Your claim, you do the work to provide a modicum of evidence that rises above the level of opinion.
 
No, I was doing my best to discuss something you wouldn't describe properly. There's a difference.

I shouldn't have to explain anything an educated person could discover this out by themselves without me helping them,fact

You can now see what I talk about well I could from the moment I watched it, go figure
 
Evidence of alien contact necessarily requires aliens. The two are not separable.

UAPs are alien aircraft

What aliens may or may not look like or even if they have been here... I don't care I know they are up to something (with thie drones or whatever)

I suppose we don't have robots on mars? Satellites orbiting the moon either... we do, and if we had the technology we too would do this crap until laws got passed

We are heading that way, any other intelligence out there would be driven by curiosity as well

After many days of ridicule here, I'm not wavering infact you have found me more evidence, this forum has given me more findings and more evidence because of how much I had to fight my case here not only is it not wavering but skeptics here agree aliens are out there but not visiting .. some bs about being too far away


And my case is getting stronger not weaker so if the goal is to make me believe this is a magical light bulb on my estate, saying nothing to me would be a better method as you make me determined to find every anomaly in the video

I'm running out possibilities given here now, any educated person knows this is not a result or anything electrical
 
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Evidence of alien contact necessarily requires aliens. The two are not separable.

^This.

cjdelphi, this really is basic, basic, pre 101 level first grade logic. If you're not able to grasp that you are wasting your own time and ours by continuing to ignore the basics. Read my previous comment about burden of proof and presumptions, and keep reading it until it sinks in, cause clearly it aint sinking in.
 
UAPs are alien aircraft

What aliens may or may not look like or even if they have been here... I don't care I know they are up to something

I suppose we don't have robots on mars? Satellites orbiting the moon either... we do, and if we had the technology we too would do this crap until laws got passed

We are heading that way, any other intelligence out there would be driven by curiosity as well

After his many days of this, I'm not wavering infact you have found me more evidence, this forum has given me more findings and more evidence because of how much I had to fight my case here

And it's getting stronger not weaker so if the goal is to make me believe this is a magical light bulb on my estate, saying nothing to me would be a better method as you make me determined to find every anomaly in the video
I'm running out possibilities given here now, any educated person knows this is not a result or anything electrical

You realize that by calling them anomalies, you've just said you don't know what they are right?
 

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