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Trump's Coup d'état.

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The Don said:
I'm suggesting that, because the Georgia state officials won't find the extra votes in the Presidential election results, they'll be "found" in the runoff results instead.
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If you are talking about the Senate seats I don't know why you think that will happen.

If you think the runoff is something else, then you'll have to explain.
 
We are still treating this as if Trump has a reasonable plan. He hasn't, never had.
All he had was trying to sow confusion, bully Republican State officials, hope "his" judges will be as corrupt as he is.

Cruz and Hawley have a plan: hoping that their theatrics will help them in coming primaries, whether for their current seats, of for the presidential primary in 2024. Their bet is that Trump loyalty will be a big deal in 2024 with many primary voters, while Trump himself won't run. They don't know if either of these two will in fact be the case, nobody does as of now.

Cotton too has a plan. He apparently bets that Trump loyalty won't be a factor in 2024, or at least that the theatrics of the 6th will be forgotten by then. He too doesn't know if that will be the case.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you are talking about the Senate seats I don't know why you think that will happen.

If you think the runoff is something else, then you'll have to explain.
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One of the recurring themes in the election fraud narrative is that the results of the Presidential election were significantly at odds with the down ticket elections - therefore election fraud. Utter garbage of course, but that's what the GOP have been claiming.

If the Georgia senate results showed a shift to the GOP, then that would be even more evidence of this - and hence more evidence of voter fraud.

My mind is however at rest, the timescales don't add up.
 
Firestone said:
Cruz and Hawley have a plan: hoping that their theatrics will help them in coming primaries, whether for their current seats, of for the presidential primary in 2024. Their bet is that Trump loyalty will be a big deal in 2024 with many primary voters, while Trump himself won't run.
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Cruz isn't really betting on Trump loyalty being a big deal in 2024. Cruz is betting on Trump being irrelevant once he is out of office, which will create a vacuum for the Trump supporters. Cruz is positioning himself to be the relevant politician to absorb those supporters while McConnell tries to move to a post-Trump Republican party.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Cruz isn't really betting on Trump loyalty being a big deal in 2024. Cruz is betting on Trump being irrelevant once he is out of office, which will create a vacuum for the Trump supporters. Cruz is positioning himself to be the relevant politician to absorb those supporters while McConnell tries to move to a post-Trump Republican party.
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And of all the other contenders he has really shown he has no shame nor pride, whether he can use those to steal Trump’s “new clothes” I’m not so sure.
 
The Don said:
One of the recurring themes in the election fraud narrative is that the results of the Presidential election were significantly at odds with the down ticket elections - therefore election fraud. Utter garbage of course, but that's what the GOP have been claiming.

If the Georgia senate results showed a shift to the GOP, then that would be even more evidence of this - and hence more evidence of voter fraud.
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And if they showed a shift to the Democratic Party, then that would be evidence that the Democrats were sufficiently confident of their ability to rig the election that they'd started applying it further down the ticket, hence more evidence of voter fraud. When you're dealing with insane conspiracy theorists, one of the first things you see from them is that everything is evidence for the conspiracy, including stuff that directly contradicts other stuff that's evidence for the conspiracy. Whatever happens in Georgia, Trump will claim that it vindicates his allegations.

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Darat said:
And of all the other contenders he has really shown he has no shame nor pride, whether he can use those to steal Trump’s “new clothes” I’m not so sure.
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Ted Cruz is smart. Extremely smart. I previously found people and professors who knew lots of smart people saying that Cruz was the smartest person they ever met.

Cruz ran for President in 2016. Cruz said bad things about Trump and Trump said bad things about Cruz. Trump got the nomination and won the election.

I think Cruz has been furious that he is so smart and educated and knowledgeable and capable and has put in so much work only to be beaten by a bumbling idiotic bafoon like Trump.

He has realized that politics requires a certain amount of showmanship and manipulation. He decided he can do that. So now he is doing that.
 
The Don said:
One of the recurring themes in the election fraud narrative is that the results of the Presidential election were significantly at odds with the down ticket elections - therefore election fraud. Utter garbage of course, but that's what the GOP have been claiming.

If the Georgia senate results showed a shift to the GOP, then that would be even more evidence of this - and hence more evidence of voter fraud.

My mind is however at rest, the timescales don't add up.
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Yeah, apparently the theory is that the Democrats are so inept at rigging an election that they rigged the presidential vote but not the congressional vote.
 
The Don said:
I'm still trying to get my head around the results certification process. Ignoring any stray legal challenges there appear to be at least four possible barriers to Joe Biden being certified as President on the 6th:

  • The House of Representatives and Senate refusing to accept the results - a very long shot but there seems to be a significant minority of GOP representatives in favour of this course of action.
  • The demand from 12 GOP senators for a commission to investigate the vote and the results - unlikely to succeed unless the whole of the GOP in the Senate get behind it (though stranger things have happened :o)
  • Individual states sending through their own lists of electors which differ from those expected from the election result - is this even a real thing ?
  • The "Domino" approach to overturning results. If the GOP wins both of the Georgia Senate races then can they overturn the Presidential election result ? Could this lead to other results being overturned ?

What I don't know is whether these are just desperate attempts by a few GOP representatives to defy democracy or are the GOP trying each of these things in turn and will then suddenly unify behind the approach which gets the most traction ?

In other words, death or incapacity aside, is Joe Biden 100% certain of being President on 20th January or does the GOP still have a chance of overturning the result ?
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These really aren't four separate things.

So, the first one, (Congress doesn't accept the votes) in theory, could happen. It won't, but it could.

The second one (the commission) is basically tied to the first. They are saying that they won't accept the votes unless there's a commission.

The third one (states sending in separate ballots) is something that has not happened since 1876. Trump and pals have been suggesting that Republican state legislatures do it. None have. Is it a real thing? No. All states have sent in exactly one set of votes. If a state were to send in two sets, which none have, it would go to the courts first, and then to step 1, i.e. Congressional acceptance. It has never happened. It is incredibly unlikely it will ever happen. There is absolutely zero chance that it will happen this year.

The fourth one is just wrong. I think the genesis of the idea is that if they win the Senate races, they control the Senate, but you still have to go to step one, and in step one, both the House and the Senate would have to agree. Neither the House nor the Senate will agree, despite the Republican majority in the Senate.

You left out one option, though. Trump orders the military to arrest Joe Biden and declares himself President for Life. That won't happen, either, although I am sure if he thought he could get away with it, Trump would do it. There is absolutely zero chance the military would go along. He's pretty unhinged these days, though. God knows he might try it, in which case he will be arrested before being committed to a mental institution. It is just enough of a possibility that the Defense Secretaries all signed a letter saying Biden won, and it's all over but the ceremonies.

Basically, all roads to Trump victory have to go through step one, and that's a dead end. The election is over. Biden won. The only thing left to learn is how much damage will be done by idiot rioters tomorrow in Washington. If they go all out stupid on us, there could be some dramatic footage on the news. Mostly, i would expect a bunch of people with stupid signs marching through the streets, whining in unison.
 
The Don said:
[*]Individual states sending through their own lists of electors which differ from those expected from the election result - is this even a real thing ?
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No.

No states have sent an alternate list of electors/votes.

The claims that the other electors were approved by the legislatures is total nonsense. The legislatures haven't even been in session, so how could they approve any other sets of electors?

The Michigan ones are especially a riot. They claim that they met at the statehouse with the approval of the legislature.

In fact, Michigan law (passed by the legislature) requires that the electors meet "in the Senate Chambers" to cast their votes. The fake electors were not in the Senate Chambers. In fact, they tried to get into the Senate Chambers but were denied access because, the security guard told them, "All the electors have checked in."

It's all blithering nonsense. No state has sent any other set of electors' votes. The cosplay electors who sent their votes have no more meaning than if you or I had sent one. They were not elected as electors in the Electoral College, so they don't have any vote.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Where are all the Trumpers? Where are all the people the defend this?

Where are you, you goddamn cowards?
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Entirely non existent. Never mind that history is dramatically unfolding real time.

Nobody said:
I was wrong. What a POTUS says does matter. Yes, this was an attempted coup. No, both sides don't do it. It was a big mistake to carry water for this anti-democratic, lying, infantile, racist, sociopathic imbecile.
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Stacyhs said:
Absolutely. It's the most disgusting thing yet to come out of his mouth. And that's saying something.

He truly does believe he won Georgia and the national election. He is in full denial.

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Agreed that this is just about the lowest he has sunk.

Disagreed that he actually believes it. The threats and instruction to 'find' a specific number of votes tips his hand. He indisputably knows he is factually wrong.
 
Our hero


Johnston writes that medical insurance had consistently been provided to the family through Fred Sr.’s company. This coverage was crucial for Freddy’s grandson (Donald’s grandnephew), who suffered from seizures and later developed cerebral palsy. So crucial, in fact, that a letter sent from a Trump lawyer to the insurer after the patriarch’s death in 1999 said that “all costs” for the sick child’s care should be covered, regardless of caps on the plan or medical necessity, according to Johnston. That didn’t last long.

A week after the lawsuit was filed in court, Freddy’s son (Donald’s nephew) received a letter informing him that the health insurance would be discontinued, meaning his ill son would be left without coverage. Donald openly admitted to the New York Daily News that he and his siblings took this action out of revenge.

“Why should we give him medical coverage?” Trump said, adding, “They sued my father, essentially. I’m not thrilled when someone sues my father.
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dudalb said:
Head of Proud Boys busted by DC police on a illegal weapons ;alos to be charged with burning that BLM banner taken from a church with a petty theft charge probably thrown in.
Man, it's so tought to be a Noble Aryan Warrior nowdays.....
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To be fair, I think the racism of the MAGA morons and modern Republicanism is quite distinct with different targets than the full blown white supremacy of neo-Nazis or KKK.

Tarrio was a noble MAGA warrior because he triggered the libs and communists.
 
Trump loses another one (Law & Crime via MSN)-

President Donald Trump’s legal team continued its unprecedented string of legal defeats on Tuesday morning when a federal judge in Georgia refused to order decertification of the state’s election results—just one day before Congress will formally count the Electoral College votes.
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Here's an interesting bit-

Additionally, while the initial lawsuit relied on an egregious misrepresentations of fact and law, Trump’s attorneys apparently decided to throw yet another malicious and legally spurious assertion into the mix, arguing that Vice President-elect Kamala Harris is ineligible to hold the office. The birther theory, popularized by law professor John Eastman, has been universally panned by legal experts.
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These people have completely lost their minds.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Ted Cruz is smart. Extremely smart. I previously found people and professors who knew lots of smart people saying that Cruz was the smartest person they ever met.

Cruz ran for President in 2016. Cruz said bad things about Trump and Trump said bad things about Cruz. Trump got the nomination and won the election.

I think Cruz has been furious that he is so smart and educated and knowledgeable and capable and has put in so much work only to be beaten by a bumbling idiotic bafoon like Trump.

He has realized that politics requires a certain amount of showmanship and manipulation. He decided he can do that. So now he is doing that.
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Thus the beard, in an attempt to hide his very punchable face.
 
We either have a Biden inaugration on Jan 20th or we have a Civil war. I don't think a "Peacefu" coup is possible.
 
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