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Segnosaur said:
Not that I mind (or doubt) the results, but it does seem strange that after 2 years of almost constant scandals (previous tell-all books, children being locked in cages, etc.) that Trump's popularity drops NOW, even with the economy doing well (in spite of Trump rather than because of him.)
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Summer is over and the mood changes. People start to take a more critical look at their personal situations. For the majority who already had jobs, more jobs is nice but take-home pay and how far it stretches take centre stage.

We're entering the peak period for stock market collapses (late September and October), largely due to the same change of mood.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Consider that if only Republicans are investigated, only Republicans can be caught in perjury traps. Any idea why Manafort is being treated like El Chapo?
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Republicans are not the only ones being investigated, but they are giving much more reason to be investigated right now than the Dems. Republicans are not being only arrested for perjury; your own example isn't just charged with perjury. Insider trading isn't perjury. Stealing campaign funds isn't perjury.

Manafort is dirtier than a fifteen year old's internet search history. That is why he's being treated the way he is; he fully deserves it.

Why do you hate our laws and law enforcement? Blue lives matter.
 
tyr_13 said:
Republicans are not the only ones being investigated, but they are giving much more reason to be investigated right now than the Dems. Republicans are not being only arrested for perjury; your own example isn't just charged with perjury. Insider trading isn't perjury. Stealing campaign funds isn't perjury.

Manafort is dirtier than a fifteen year old's internet search history. That is why he's being treated the way he is; he fully deserves it.

Why do you hate our laws and law enforcement? Blue lives matter.
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The will of Dear Leader is the ultimate law. Get with the program.
 
Trump tweets

"To the incredible citizens of North Carolina, South Carolina and the entire East Coast - the storm looks very bad! Please take all necessary precautions. We have already began mobilizing our assets to respond accordingly, and we are here for you!"

" Was just briefed via phone by @DHSgov @SecNielsen and @FEMA @FEMA_Brock, along with @VP Mike Pence and Chief of Staff, John Kelly on incoming storm which is very dangerous. Heed the directions of your State and Local Officials - and know that WE are here for you. Be SAFE!"

"Chuck Schumer is holding up 320 appointments (Ambassadors, Executives, etc.) of great people who have left jobs and given up so much in order to come into Government. Schumer and the Democrats continue to OBSTRUCT!"
 
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JoeMorgue said:
//Slight hijack//

I don't give elected officials cutsie-poo names and that's regardless of how much I like or respect them.

I would never call Warren "Pocahontas" but I also never called George H. Bush "Shrub" or "Dubya" (although I heard he liked that one) or Trump as "Cheeto" or anything else.
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Same here, until Trump. He is so over-the-top cartoonish -- on top of his many other outlandish negative attributes -- that he invites it and deserves it. I can't really defend this as mature or productive, but that's my thinking.
 
According to an excerpt from Bob Woodward‘s Fear, the book out tomorrow that the president has called a “joke,” a “scam,” and a “con on the public“ written by a “Dem operative,” the Goldman Sachs president turned National Economic Council director came away from his very first meeting with Donald Trump “astounded” by just how dumb the guy was. During a chat about various economic issues, Cohn told Trump that the Federal Reserve would likely increase rates during his first term in office, to which President Buy High, Sell Low reportedly responded, “We should just go borrow a lot of money, hold it, and then sell it to make money.” This suggestion, and “lack of basic understanding” about how federal debt works apparently sent chills up the spine of Cohn, who explained that borrowing more money would in fact increase the deficit and add to the debt, something that would, in theory, be counterproductive for a delusional president who had pledged to completely eliminate the federal debt. But President “I’m, like, really smart” wasn’t finished:

The president-elect offered a solution.

“Just run the presses—print money,” Trump said, according to Woodward.

Cohn suggested that would be detrimental to the fiscal and economic health of the U.S., since printing vast amounts of money is thought to lead to inflation. . . . Cohn also pointed to the federal debt ceiling, a statutory limit to the amount of debt the federal government can have outstanding. Even approaching the debt ceiling can be harmful to the stock market and U.S. economic growth.

But according to Woodward, Cohn’s message did not seem to connect.

“It was clear that Trump did not understand the way the U.S. government debt cycle balance sheet worked,” Woodward wrote.
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Linky. (Emphasis on Trump quotes mine.)
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Consider that if only Republicans are investigated, only Republicans can be caught in perjury traps. Any idea why Manafort is being treated like El Chapo?
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Yes, actually. He's been a thug all his life. His deals with the Russians are what brought him scrutiny.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

And do you think a Republican Attorney General and a Republican FBI Director and a Republican House and a Republican Senate and Republican U.S. Attorneys wouldn't investigate the hell out of Democrats if they had good (or any) cause? Benghazi!
 
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dudalb said:
I think the two once high ranking Trump officials being found/pled guilty to criminal charges was the straw that broke a lot of the indepdents back when it came to Trumpy,and his behavior since just made things worse.

Before Manafort/Cohen corruption charges involving the Trump administration were just charges, but the verdict and confession made them facts.
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I think there are also a large number of Americans who give the Tiger Woods Response. The question isn't "if there was an election right now against a generic Democrat, would you vote for Donald Trump?" The question is simply "approve or disapprove" and there are a lot of people who will automatically support the POTUS because he's the POTUS.

There are X amount of people who are going to vote for the party. Let's not keep blaming the GOP as if this is anomalous. If you look at Trump non-approval it's 92% amongst Dems. Approval is only currently 85% amongst Republicans. Seems that both parties have their knee-jerk defense mechanisms and tribalism.

The question isn't whether Trump's approval goes much below 40%, which I think it will, but the margin. Currently even RCP has him at minus 12, and that's not without some considerable effort to exclude polls that would have it at closer to -13.5. fivethirtyeight has it at 13 to 14, also. The margin in presidential elections (in the popular vote) rarely hits 10% and hasn't since Reagan II in '84. That's more than three decades ago and the increased tribalism and partisanship will probably level that current gap by the time the 2020 election cycle rolls around.

Wanna note something depressing, everyone? Trump's lowest points in approval were not during the current scandal-a-day and not during his Let's Sell Our Country Out festival in July. The lowest approvals were at stages when the greedy gobs Republicans were answering "don't approve" because he hadn't killed ACA and hadn't delivered on the big make-believe tax cuts! Do NOT expect those people to be voting for Kamala in 2020. They'll return to the fold (as they have since Jan. '18 after their greed was satisfied).
 
Minoosh said:
Can you link to one of the times it was explained? I don't find the search tools on this forum all that easy to use.
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I found some references in the Mueller thread. Some back and forth, but nothing convincing.

From what I know about Mueller, he's not looking to entrap Trump. Trump can barely speak without lying, but that's not what the investigation is about.
 
Lambchops said:
At least we'd get the reference. Trump though, would be completely oblivious.
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Best limber up if you're going to be patting yourself on the back every time it becomes evident that you have a better knowledge of the most basic things than Trump has.
 
Minoosh said:
I found some references in the Mueller thread. Some back and forth, but nothing convincing.

From what I know about Mueller, he's not looking to entrap Trump. Trump can barely speak without lying, but that's not what the investigation is about.
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The Perjury Trap is a constant topic amongst Trump mishandlers. Mueller's said nothing on the topic and no one else associated with the investigations has, either. Rudy and Devin love to talk about it.

Think maybe they know something? Like that Donald is such a pathological liar that he could give his address as "No. 4 Privet Drive, Little Whinging" and then double down on it for an hour. They're setting up their idiot base by pre-poisoning the well. If you're worried about your client perjuring himself, advise him Not To Lie.

But he's pathological. All you have to do is engage that Fantasy Gear in his little brain, and he's off into nutso-crazy land. If I'm Mueller, I open with "After the disappointing turnout at your inauguration when you had hundreds of thousands less than Obama, did you phone Moscow?" Non-sequitur and no one really believes it but he'd go nuts! On both topics. He'd tell the interviewers how he personally counted the crowd and built that dais himself out of rough hewn oak from his daddy's oak glade and had never spoken to anyone in Moscow in his entire life.

The guy could perjure himself multiple times in a single answer - hell, in a single sentence! I'm thus still betting they don't let His Royal Manginess sit down for an interview.

Mueller doesn't want to entrap Trump. He wants him to break down like the guilty parties did on the old Perry Mason mysteries. "Look! I did it! Okay? You happy? Sure I promised 'em concessions on the sanctions! Who wouldn't? I owe them half a billion dollars and they'd repo Air Force One! Sob! I'm the ******* President and I can do anything I want! Sniff!"
 
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