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Jordan Peterson's all-meat diet

Minoosh said:
What about just plain old fasting? Does that also favor fat burning or do you just burn muscle? I have adequate adipose reserves.
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Muscle is the last to go when fasting/starvation is in play.
 
The UKPDS study showed that it was worthless for diabetics to try to maintain 'normal' A1C levels. Seems the savings in long term costs did not even pay for the extra meds. So now they are happy with my 7.1 A1C. Which makes me think that most of the side effects of diabetes are not caused by high sugars, but by the high insulin levels. Insulin Resistance is the culprit, high sugar is merely a symptom.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm unaware of American breakfasts that include toast with cereal (in milk).
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Well, I wouldn't eat toast and cereal together but I love me some not-from-concentrate OJ. The milk helps, but kind of a lot of carbs.

I'm *not* sold on low-carb diets, they strike me as an over-marketed gimmick. Same with gluten-free. But there is something about bread that makes me want more bread.
 
GlennB said:
Muscle is the last to go when fasting/starvation is in play.
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Seriously? Scientifically?

I never understood diet instructions that said, "Don't skip meals," because it's kind of worked for me. I'm hungrier on the days I eat breakfast. I get a lot of cardio and it doesn't seem to need food to work (except swimming).
 
All-meat just doesn't seem like it would have been a good adaptation for hunters & gatherers. Maybe they ate a lot of bugs. Are bugs meat?
 
lomiller said:
Diets consisting primarily of meat can work provided there is sufficient fat in them. Inuit diets included blubber to add both fat and vitamin C. Without enough fat in them you’d loose weight and suffer a number of other fairly serious problems.
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The problem with this is that it won't work the same for non-Inuit peoples. Inuit people have a specific genetic mutation that allows them to be healthier on their diet. It's the mutation which allows them to adapt to the diet, not the diet itself, that is responsible for their health.

It is not, as many woo diet advocates claim, a ketogenic diet. The processing of meat is enabled by a liver that is considerably larger than most other populations, and more frequent urination to purge the byproducts of their diet.

More importantly, they eat raw meat, which means that they get much of their dietary calorie intake not from fat or protein, but from glycogen stores in the meat and fat.

And the Inuit diet is not exclusively meat and fish. They also eat vegetable matter, mostly berries, certain wild herbs and grasses, and various tubers (often by raiding mouse food caches). Not a lot, but enough to provide the few nutrients they cannot get from meat.

Minoosh said:
All-meat just doesn't seem like it would have been a good adaptation for hunters & gatherers. Maybe they ate a lot of bugs. Are bugs meat?
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An average hunter-gatherer diet isn't all that high in meat, certainly not all-meat. There are a lot of fruits, vegetables (particularly tubers), and yeah, bugs too for some of them (fat-rich grubs and locusts most commonly, although some far-eastern cuisines are fond of ant's eggs too).
 
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Minoosh said:
I looked up the ready-made Hormel Roast beef au jus. It's 640 calories for the container but there's sugar added, so that "meat" comes to 15 g carbs.

Does the 20g include dietary fiber?
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Finding prepared foods without added sugar is very difficult. I tend to prepare my own meat as much as possible to avoid sauces that will have more sugar in them than I want.

I count net carbs as mentioned by Skeptical Greg. Total carbs minus fiber. Sometimes I will indulge in a sweet that is made with sugar alcohols, but I try not to make that a habit.

Leafy green veggies are fairly low, tomatoes and berries are bit higher, citrus fruits and ground veggies are off the menu for me. And while I try to keep it under 20, I more often land between twenty and fifty. I'm not the measuring type so I can't be 100% confident in that claim either.
 
I lost 80 lb (35 kg) and have kept it off two and a half years.

Everybody thinks you need to eat according to a gimmick to lose weight.

My gimmick is to eat the food I love in moderation and do an exercise I enjoy.

The old, "eat less, move more" that people hate to hear and won't get you any patreons.
 
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Orphia Nay said:
I lost 80 lb (35 kg) and have kept it off two and a half years.

Everybody thinks you need to eat according to a gimmick to lose weight.

My gimmick was to eat the food I love in moderation and do an exercise I enjoy.

The old, "eat less, move more" that people hate to hear and won't get you any patreons.
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Well, I have no idea if her diet is responsible for her wellness, but the motivation for her change in diet wasn't losing weight but several symptoms including:

- Arthritis
- Some sort of skin problem
- Depression
- Nausea/diarrhoea

Supposedly all of these things cleared up with her diet change. No idea how honest she's being able that, although I doubt she's lying about the hip replacement.

I think what you've done is amazing and agree with what you say, I just think it doesn't necessarily apply to this girl. Though it may apply to those who are looking to her for answers.
 
Cheers, Roboramma. Wasn't thinking of the girl.

With regards to her, fame is a vitalising placebo. I'm sure she thinks she feels better.

Plus, her ailments are the sort of things that can clear up of their own accord, or go in phases.

If she ate more bony fish (herring, sardines) that might improve calcium levels and osteoarthritis, but I haven't seen what sorts of meat she eats and you can do that and still eat a balanced diet.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Cheers, Roboramma. Wasn't thinking of the girl.

With regards to her, fame is a vitalising placebo. I'm sure she thinks she feels better.
Plus, her ailments are the sort of things that can clear up of their own accord, or go in phases.

If she ate more bony fish (herring, sardines) that might improve calcium levels and osteoarthritis, but I haven't seen what sorts of meat she eats and you can do that and still eat a balanced diet.
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That's a strange comment..
Can one think they feel better, without actually feeling better?


Also, getting more calcium does not improve bone health in the absence of otherwise good nutrition. Many elements of
the standard American diet ( SAD ) are calcium depleting. in that it interferes with absorption.
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
That's a strange comment..
Can one think they feel better, without actually feeling better?


Also, getting more calcium does not improve bone health in the absence of otherwise good nutrition. Many elements of
the standard American diet ( SAD ) are calcium depleting. in that it interferes with absorption.
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Absorption is only a part of calcium metabolism. That is why giving calcium supplements doesn't help osteoporotics. So, many if us have calcium in the wrong places. Like arteries, heart valves, tendons, .... Our SAD diet certainly hasn't depleted our calcium.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Not the available stores, anyway..

It is being removed from your bones to be deposited in those other places..
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I knew that. It shows in xrays of my cervical vertebra. It's called "scalloped vertebra".

How to stop/fix?

There is a lot more to insulin resistance than diabetes.
 
casebro said:
I knew that. It shows in xrays of my cervical vertebra. It's called "scalloped vertebra".

How to stop/fix?

There is a lot more to insulin resistance than diabetes.
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Weightlifting. Stress produces adaptation. Deadlifts, performed correctly, are one of the best things you can do to protect your back.
 
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