Jordan Peterson's all-meat diet

[Beelzebuddy]

We have this tradition of shipping the chaff to America.

That does explain Justin Bieber.

 

[angrysoba]

I started listening to the Rogan interview. At around the 57 minute mark she says, "My naturopath says maybe I have a microbiome problem..."

Rogan: "Whenever someone says, 'my naturopath says' I just go uuuuuhhhh, what else did she say - you need a crystal in your pocket?"

 

[casebro]

Me too, though I don't think constipation is a terminal complaint

Vitamin C usually gets mentioned in such discussions, but it seems it is available in meat. Provided you eat it at least some of it raw, or very rare, and include organ meat such as liver and brains. Rare calf brain anybody? Yum!

I'm going to guess that he doesn't count Metamucil as a cheat.

But the Eskimos eat all meat diets. And it didn't effect their mental acuity. We can tell by their decision to stay in the frozen north instead of migrating to Southern California.

My understanding of the Red Meat Debacle is that it was started by the Framingham study. In which they combined Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil (HVO) with the saturated fats group. HVO at the time had 25-40% Trans fats. Beef fat is only 1/2%. It was the veggie oils that were killing us, NOT the lard.

Later the animal rights activist got into it too. Joined by the weenies that conflate red meat with their blood phobia. Nowadays I have a hard time separating politics from nutrition.

But the all meat diet does not sound poisonous to me.

 

[Ziggurat]

Babies naturally put all sorts of things in their mouths, filthy things

The little perverts.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The little perverts.

"Don't put that air in your mouth! You don't know where it's been!"

 

[Dr. Keith]

Lots of people claim cognitive benefits to a Keto diet. And there are some people who are doing a Keto diet and go vegetable free, so that would be pretty much meat and fat only. Doesn't sound that outrageous if you are already down the Keto path.

I know I feel much better, physically and mentally, if I shoot for less than 20g crabs and all of that from green leafy vegetables. The first week or two may suck, but once your body adapts it really feels great.

And one slip up does feel like **** for a day or two. I remember being really focused on my diet for about six months and then I broke down and had a milk shake for some occasion. The next morning I felt like I had spent the whole night at a bar. I hadn't even had a drink, but the feeling was very similar to being hung over. I was out of it for a day or two and it took a week to really feel good again.

I'm just now getting back on my diet after a summer of screwing around and I already feel better. But I'm not going to forego veggies on this guy's word. Sorry. He sounds like an idiot piggy backing on some pretty well established dietary science.

 

[SOdhner]

less than 20g crabs

I know it's a typo but now I want to design a diet where everything is based on how many crabs you eat.

 

[dann]

Well, he's only been following it for "the last two months" so it seems a little odd to claim "I never cheat. Ever. Not even a little bit." especially since he goes on do describe what happens when he "cheats"

Breatharians always make the same claim, so I guess he must be telling the truth!

 

[Dr. Keith]

I know it's a typo but now I want to design a diet where everything is based on how many crabs you eat.

I'm not even fixing that. Going crab shopping instead!

 

[Disbelief]

I'm not even fixing that. Going crab shopping instead!

I enjoy way more than 20g though.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I enjoy way more than 20g though.

Noted. Revising diet plans accordingly.

 

[Roboramma]

I started listening to the Rogan interview. At around the 57 minute mark she says, "My naturopath says maybe I have a microbiome problem..."

Rogan: "Whenever someone says, 'my naturopath says' I just go uuuuuhhhh, what else did she say - you need a crystal in your pocket?"

Yeah that was a good moment.

I didn't finish the podcast because I don't really feel like she's got much of value to say, but it was interesting enough to hear her story, and Joe keeps things moving pretty well, while also at least questioning her ********. Also, I do have some sympathy for her viewpoint. I think if I was in the same situation of being extremely ill and then overcoming that, I'd also probably think I'd found a magic diet.

 

[lomiller]

Diets consisting primarily of meat can work provided there is sufficient fat in them. Inuit diets included blubber to add both fat and vitamin C. Without enough fat in them you’d loose weight and suffer a number of other fairly serious problems.


Even if you can get around the potential nutritional issues of a mostly meat diet, there is no particular advantage as far as I can see.

 

[Faydra]

Keto'er here too.. I didn't see anything about magnesium or potassium in that article. He'd be having severe leg cramps and feel like absolute crap if he wasn't getting electrolytes in.

 

[p0lka]

Keto'er here too.. I didn't see anything about magnesium or potassium in that article. He'd be having severe leg cramps and feel like absolute crap if he wasn't getting electrolytes in.

offtopic: I'm type 1 diabetic and cos of hypos every day I recently went with the low carb idea, just because it means I inject much less insulin per day and less risk of hypos,
My toes and feet click constantly at night, is that anything to do with what you said about magnesium and potassium?

 

[casebro]

offtopic: I'm type 1 diabetic and cos of hypos every day I recently went with the low carb idea, just because it means I inject much less insulin per day and less risk of hypos,
My toes and feet click constantly at night, is that anything to do with what you said about magnesium and potassium?

Just because you need exogenous insulin does not mean you are T1. You are probably a T2 that needs more insulin due to insulin resistance. And the internal insulin resistance causes hyper-insulinemia, gobs of insulin circulating. And those gobs of insulin act like growth hormone, causing oodles of soft tissue problems. Tendinitis, trigger fingers, carpal tunnel, osteoarthritis too.

If you are T2, low carb and enough exercise and you won't need no more insulin. At all.

 

[casebro]

Keto'er here too.. I didn't see anything about magnesium or potassium in that article. He'd be having severe leg cramps and feel like absolute crap if he wasn't getting electrolytes in.

I think cows have enough electrolytes inside them to avoid getting cramps. But you'll need to eat organ meats to get them. Beef heart has so many that they taste metallic, like biting aluminum foil. Kidneys and liver have lots of other nutrients too. Brains are good too, but I don't they they sell them anymore due to concerns about CJV.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

If you say you don't cheat on a diet, you are either lying or there is something seriously wrong with you.

.................

It depends on what you are calling a diet.

I have adapted a way of eating, that doesn't include a lot of the elements of the SAD ( standard American diet).

I do not eat grains, refined sugar or any processed foods that contain any of those things plus many other ingredients.

I can say I have not knowingly eaten any of those things for over eight months, and I have no intention of doing so for the rest of my life.


What do you suppose might be seriously wrong with me?

 

[GlennB]

Diets consisting primarily of meat can work provided there is sufficient fat in them. Inuit diets included blubber to add both fat and vitamin C. Without enough fat in them you’d loose weight and suffer a number of other fairly serious problems.

Even if you can get around the potential nutritional issues of a mostly meat diet, there is no particular advantage as far as I can see.

Yes, the fat is essential, otherwise you enter the realms of 'rabbit starvation'.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Here is the article I remembered about a Keto person going off veggies. I'm not saying it is a good article or a good way to eat, but it isn't that far out there once you head down a low carb path.