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Jordan Peterson's all-meat diet

Apparently Dr. Peterson's health has not been great lately. Whether it has anything to do with this diet (as far as I know he still adheres to it), who knows? On the other hand, he had claimed to Rogan that this diet cured all sorts of maladies. Whether it's the cause of his ailments isn't clear, but at least it doesn't seem to be the cure.

 
Apparently Dr. Peterson's health has not been great lately. Whether it has anything to do with this diet (as far as I know he still adheres to it), who knows? On the other hand, he had claimed to Rogan that this diet cured all sorts of maladies. Whether it's the cause of his ailments isn't clear, but at least it doesn't seem to be the cure.

He still addicted to various medications, isn't he?
 
When I say that his health "has not been great lately", that's an understatement.
A quick Google shows lots of cancellations due to ill health. Whether this is caused by a poor diet is not mentioned.

Example: https://www.sortiraparis.com/en/wha...the-folies-bergere-in-paris-has-been-canceled

I guess you could still have gone to see the dancers.


Edited to add:

After a bit more Google I see that he is suffering from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia

Which sounds pretty terrible but does not appear to do with diet.
 
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Apparently Dr. Peterson's health has not been great lately. Whether it has anything to do with this diet (as far as I know he still adheres to it), who knows? On the other hand, he had claimed to Rogan that this diet cured all sorts of maladies. Whether it's the cause of his ailments isn't clear, but at least it doesn't seem to be the cure.

Interesting stuff in there about that phony cholesterol study. Relevant to the Obesity thread, perhaps?
 
A quick Google shows lots of cancellations due to ill health. Whether this is caused by a poor diet is not mentioned.

Example: https://www.sortiraparis.com/en/wha...the-folies-bergere-in-paris-has-been-canceled

I guess you could still have gone to see the dancers.


Edited to add:

After a bit more Google I see that he is suffering from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia

Which sounds pretty terrible but does not appear to do with diet.
Also had bouts with pneumonia and sepsis.
 
Around here, the carnivore diet is more often than not touted as the only natural diet for humans, by people who imagine that early sapiens hunted and ate big mammals every day. There are all sorts of ideologies attached to it for them - denying that we're omnivores seems to feed their supremacist beliefs. It's nearly always coupled with anivaxx and alternative med beliefs as well (but they're all into weird supplements and treatments).
 
Around here, the carnivore diet is more often than not touted as the only natural diet for humans, by people who imagine that early sapiens hunted and ate big mammals every day. There are all sorts of ideologies attached to it for them - denying that we're omnivores seems to feed their supremacist beliefs. It's nearly always coupled with anivaxx and alternative med beliefs as well (but they're all into weird supplements and treatments).
Can they point to any - just one! - "natural" society of humans whose diet was exclusively carnivore? Just one?
Looking at today's remaining peoples that have managed to maintain to some degree at least a "natural" (i.e. pre-contact, tribal) way of life, I find e.g. this:
The Yanomami cultivate 500 plants for foods, medicines, house-building and other needs. They use nine different plant species just for fish poison. The Tukano recognize 137 varieties of manioc.

Indeed, hunter-gatherer societies are notable for their, compared to our, vast and almost encyclopedic knowledge about the plants and animals in their environment. I remember from Jared Diamond's "Gubs, Germs and Steel" the claim that children in inner New Guinea learned the names, properties and uses of a thousand plants early on.

Of course every pre-technology society anywhere will use as food almost everything that is edible. No group of early homo sapiens sapiens could hope to survive if they did not discover that most seeds and nuts and many fruits, tubers and roots give you usable calories.

It is equally trivially true that every pre-modern society will use any usable animals in their environment - mainly for food, clothing, tools and ornament, occasionally as partner.

Whether animal or non-animal diet dominates will largely be a function of availabilty, which changes with climate, season, era, geography, topography, to name a few. In hot, humid conditions, there will be plenty of fruits as well as plenty of insects and larvae; in cold, dry climates, perhaps roots dominate plant use while animals tend to be larger.

And perhaps that last phrase reveals a glimpse into the "carnivore" mindset: Our (meaning: us internet users mostly in the industrialized, developed service societies mostly of Europe and North America) idea of pre-historic life is very much shaped by images of ice age culture and life, of surviving under cold conditions, practically on the edge of the ice sheets, in tundras and prairies, where the mammoth, the wooly rhino and the reindeer roam. So humongous steaks for breakfast, lunch and dinner are imagined.
But of course homo (whether erectus, sapiens, sapiens sapiens...) came out of Africa and already dealt with a range of different habitats long before and also while some bands made it to cold Eurasia.

And all that this shows is that societies of homo survive and thrive on lots of diets. We are omnivores.
 
A quick Google shows lots of cancellations due to ill health. Whether this is caused by a poor diet is not mentioned.

Example: https://www.sortiraparis.com/en/wha...the-folies-bergere-in-paris-has-been-canceled

I guess you could still have gone to see the dancers.


Edited to add:

After a bit more Google I see that he is suffering from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia

Which sounds pretty terrible but does not appear to do with diet.
WAG it's due to "wellness" medications the FDA is too corrupt to approve.
 
Around here, the carnivore diet is more often than not touted as the only natural diet for humans, by people who imagine that early sapiens hunted and ate big mammals every day. There are all sorts of ideologies attached to it for them - denying that we're omnivores seems to feed their supremacist beliefs. It's nearly always coupled with anivaxx and alternative med beliefs as well (but they're all into weird supplements and treatments).
And misogyny. Women did most of the 'gathering' (which provided most of the food supply) and this is obviously less important than the small male hunting contribution.
 
I think that what "normal" human diet is is much more seasonally varied: some months using primarily carbohydrates, another mostly fats, others mostly protein; some months with a large excess of calories, others with a deficit; some carnivore, some herbivore. Different types of nutrients as they become available.

Our bodies are supposed to switch between different types of fuel, and stay used to making do with less if some things are lacking.

So yeah, a carnivore diet is what might be happening at some point - slaughtering animals in winter because you can't feed them anymore might be the time. But it would only be for a few weeks, then there would be something different.

Our ability to cook, preserve and store might have cost us a key factor in keeping out metabolism tuned.
 
They like to mention the inuit, but neglect to add that they actually had to evolve to survive on a mostly carnivore diet... And that they ate raw organ meats to compensate for the lack of plants.
I was thinking about the Inuit too. But I think that’s because where they live, plants are basically impossible to grow, and the ones that can grow there aren’t edible. I’m not an expert on what they eat though.
 
I was thinking about the Inuit too. But I think that’s because where they live, plants are basically impossible to grow, and the ones that can grow there aren’t edible. I’m not an expert on what they eat though.
Before colonisation, they were essentially carnivores, to the point where their bodies had adapted to their high-fat, mostly raw, meat diet (a diet which included raw organ meat for vitamin C, for instance), so their metabolism was radically different from ours. It's really interesting, and a strong argument for why the rest of us should not adopt that kind of diet😊
 
Before colonisation, they were essentially carnivores, to the point where their bodies had adapted to their high-fat, mostly raw, meat diet (a diet which included raw organ meat for vitamin C, for instance), so their metabolism was radically different from ours. It's really interesting, and a strong argument for why the rest of us should not adopt that kind of diet😊
Yes, also: "Modern Inuit have lifespans 12 to 15 years shorter than the average Canadian's, which is thought to be influenced by factors such as their diet and limited access to medical services. The life expectancy gap is not closing and remains stagnant."
 

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