Yellow Bamboo Challenge

[Donn]

A guy whipping baseballs at you "has an intention to hurt you".

Which is the real problem : He doesn't want to get hurt, not really - this is so that he can always say you didn't intend harm.
(He really intends that no harm come to himself.)

For this reason, he will nix the baseball idea.

I suspect it will be something like "The balls would move too fast for me to prepare..."

Edited to add:
Not that I dislike your baseball idea
Boobam! Bullshido!

 

[Ravenwood]

How about a 55lb pull bow with fowling blunts? In my younger( & stupider) days we used to shoot at each other with them in a very stupid (as in do not try this at home kids...) game. They hurt like you wouldn't belive, but didn't break the skin, although they leave a helluva bruise....I can't see how having an archer shooting at you would be different from the claimant's gun scenario, although this is considerably less lethal

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Which is the real problem : He doesn't want to get hurt, not really - this is so that he can always say you didn't intend harm.
(He really intends that no harm come to himself.)

For this reason, he will nix the baseball idea.

I suspect it will be something like "The balls would move too fast for me to prepare..."

Edited to add:
Not that I dislike your baseball idea
Boobam! Bullshido!

"10 meters away: having only one thing in mind: to hurt me." I still don't see the problem. If I get hit in the chest with a fastball it will hurt. If I intentionally throw a fastball at your chest, I can't see how I do not have "one thing in mind: to hurt me". I know that the baseball will hurt you if I hit you in the chest I will attept to do so; threfore I have "one thing in mind: to hurt [you]". The only way that he could say that I didn't intend to hurt him is if I miss--and that was my next step; establish ni the protocol how many balls are thrown over what period of time and how many have to hit the YB guy. But we haven't gotten that far yet.

And if the balls are too fast, we could create some other protocol. Maybe the guy would start 25 meters away from the YB guy. stop 10 meters away from the YB guy then pick up the baseballs and start hurling. If this guy wants to prove what he can do, he shoudl start presenting protocols that he belives will prove his powers .

 

[Ravenwood]

The knocking down only works when the person is about to attack, ie: about to punch me to cause me bodily harm.
or 10 meters away: having a gun just about to shoot,
.

Am I to understand that you are claiming to be able to knock down a gun armed opponent 10 yards away without touching him? If you wish to come to Maui to demonstrate that, I would be willing to take part in that test with my Glock loaded with Simunition (see link)
http://www.simunition.com/index.php?section_id=51&lang=en
not lethal but definitely very painful...

 

[TheBoyPaj]

Are you sure you can hit a person with a baseball every time? Granted I'm a girly thrower but I would be likely to miss, leaving the possibility of YB guy claiming that he "deflected the ball".

I still don't see why it's not possible for someone to get focused, march up and punch. If the punch lands, test failed due to body contact.

 

[kimiko]

Peter,
During the interview on Unscrewed with Martin Sargent, you said you had brought a relative from out of a coma, is that correct? Well, if the same power is being used for protection as for healing, then why would it matter what the other person is feeling? Wouldn't it be your intent that matters?

A baseball coming toward your chest would be a physical threat similar to having someone run at you, and you could wear protective clothing to prevent possible injury.

There are tennis ball and baseball pitching machines that can be used to ensure every throw is at the same speed and lands in the same place. I'm sure plenty of people on the board would volunteer to paypal Larsen some money to contribute to renting a place at a batting cage or gym to do the trial.

You obviously believe YB works, and I think if you're willing to travel to Denmark, it is worth everyone's time to ensure a fair protocol. Please give us your opinion on using a baseball or other object.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

How about a 55lb pull bow with fowling blunts? In my younger( & stupider) days we used to shoot at each other with them in a very stupid (as in do not try this at home kids...) game. They hurt like you wouldn't belive, but didn't break the skin, although they leave a helluva bruise....I can't see how having an archer shooting at you would be different from the claimant's gun scenario, although this is considerably less lethal

Great example. How about this: YB guy stands in a circle with 2 foot diameter. Attacker stands 25 away. Attacker runs to within 10 fet of YB guy, he picks up a paintball gun and shoots YB guy. Attacker is iven 30 round of amunition. From what I have heard these paintballs hurt a little.

Can YB guy, without leaving his 2 foot circle, drop Attacker to his knees?

 

[rppa]

I accept the challenge.

It's a little hard to attack on the run as people have said, and actually fairly easy to defend against a running attacker too. I'm a pretty basic-level student of Aikido, but I think that even I could manage a decent neck throw on a running attacker.

Instead I propose that I attack this guy with one of the standard attacks we use for practice in Aikido class, which are clearly intended to harm the partner. This is strongly emphasized, that you must be committed (i.e. give the partner some momentum to work with). If the partner isn't ready or you go too fast for their expertise, pain does indeed ensue (our dojo tends to be nice, so we try to calibrate attacks to the partner). The stuff the black belts do to each other would probably break my arm, or my neck.

So I'm perfectly willing to do a standard punch on this guy, which starts at about 2 m distance and comes in straight to the solar plexus. Or I could do a strike with wooden sword or stick aimed at the body, hands, or knees. No faces. I guarantee pain if it's not deflected, but no serious injury. Where do I sign up?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Are you sure you can hit a person with a baseball every time? Granted I'm a girly thrower but I would be likely to miss, leaving the possibility of YB guy claiming that he "deflected the ball".

I still don't see why it's not possible for someone to get focused, march up and punch. If the punch lands, test failed due to body contact.

Yes, that would be very much a concern. I'm not personally very good at thowing a ball, so even at ten meters I would probably miss every time. But the question is for the best protocol. It seems my protocol for a guy marching up and punching was not acceptable, so I was trying to create a protocol accptable based on the persons claims.

My preferred protocol whould be what Randi suggested for the initial Yellow Bamboo test: A guy strolls up with a 12 inch piece of bamboo and casually touches the YB guy with the stick. That is not at all what happened.

This YB guy wants to do another test. He challenged a forum guy for the test. I'm just trying to get what it actually is that the YB guy claims that he can do. I still don't know. In the mean time I'm proposing possible protocols: these really don't mean anything until YB guy actually says what he can do--then we can work on the details of the protocol fit the claim.

Of course this is not a JREF claim and it was a challenge to Claus and I can't speak on any authority for anyof this--I'm just trying t find out exactly what the claim is and what would be an acceptable protocol.

If we go for throwing baseballs, then we have to make rules about "no ducking" and how man balls will be thrown and who will thow the balls, etc. but first we need to know what the paranormal claim is and leave it up to the claimant to offer the standards of what they can demonstarte.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

I accept the challenge.

It's a little hard to attack on the run as people have said, and actually fairly easy to defend against a running attacker too. I'm a pretty basic-level student of Aikido, but I think that even I could manage a decent neck throw on a running attacker.

Instead I propose that I attack this guy with one of the standard attacks we use for practice in Aikido class, which are clearly intended to harm the partner. This is strongly emphasized, that you must be committed (i.e. give the partner some momentum to work with). If the partner isn't ready or you go too fast for their expertise, pain does indeed ensue (our dojo tends to be nice, so we try to calibrate attacks to the partner). The stuff the black belts do to each other would probably break my arm, or my neck.

So I'm perfectly willing to do a standard punch on this guy, which starts at about 2 m distance and comes in straight to the solar plexus. Or I could do a strike with wooden sword or stick aimed at the body, hands, or knees. No faces. I guarantee pain if it's not deflected, but no serious injury. Where do I sign up?

The problem here is that YB usually requires a run at them (so they know that you are serious about hat attack) and they put their hands out in front of their body and yell loudly, and they do have some martial arts training. So I would expect that if you charge with a wooden sword at a persons mid-section with a wooden sword when they know someone will charge at their mid-section with a wooden sword and have their hands already out in front of their mid-section and have martial arts training to deflect such blows and yell loud when it happens that you probably won't actually hit them in the mid-section and very well may be knocked down because the stationary person has much more power than the guy running wildly about and thrusting a lever.

So rather than use something like a wooden sword that could not only be deflected but also directed back into the swinger to make them fall down, it would be preferable to just have a straight fist-punch. And much more preferable to have some remote aggression (like throwing baseballs or shooting paint guns) because then the video and test woul dbe much more clear.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

And I don't want to put words into the mouthed of the YB guys that claim to have these powers. But it seems they may be claimng that they can drop a person standing 10 meters away tha is intending to hurt them by hurling baseballs or shoooting paintballs at them. Of course there would be some question of the ability to actually hit them with baseballs or paintballs. If it was up to me, I probably couldn't hit someone withing ten feet with a baseball. But that isn't even an issue until SOME protocol is esblished. That can't be established until the YB guys say what they can do.

It appears some YB guy claims t be able to do omehting within this realm, so we just need to nail down a protocol and let CFLarson know that he is a prticipant

 

[petpower_2k]

Peter,
During the interview on Unscrewed with Martin Sargent, you said you had brought a relative from out of a coma, is that correct? Well, if the same power is being used for protection as for healing, then why would it matter what the other person is feeling? Wouldn't it be your intent that matters?

A baseball coming toward your chest would be a physical threat similar to having someone run at you, and you could wear protective clothing to prevent possible injury.

There are tennis ball and baseball pitching machines that can be used to ensure every throw is at the same speed and lands in the same place. I'm sure plenty of people on the board would volunteer to paypal Larsen some money to contribute to renting a place at a batting cage or gym to do the trial.

You obviously believe YB works, and I think if you're willing to travel to Denmark, it is worth everyone's time to ensure a fair protocol. Please give us your opinion on using a baseball or other object.

what I want to test is the level 1 protection, wich is protection from people trying to punch or kick you, I´m not at the level where you can survive knife and bullets. So I prefer that the attacker punches at me in this test.

btw- I was hoping people would later donate money (paypal) for me or CFLarsen if he agrees to the test, so either he comes to Sweden or I come to Denmark. First we must ofcoruse agree on a protocol.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

btw- I was hoping people would later donate money (paypal) for me or CFLarsen if he agrees to the test, so either he comes to Sweden or I come to Denmark. First we must ofcoruse agree on a protocol.

You can whistle for it, pal. I'm not funding your delusions.

 

[petpower_2k]

And I don't want to put words into the mouthed of the YB guys that claim to have these powers. But it seems they may be claimng that they can drop a person standing 10 meters away tha is intending to hurt them by hurling baseballs or shoooting paintballs at them. Of course there would be some question of the ability to actually hit them with baseballs or paintballs. If it was up to me, I probably couldn't hit someone withing ten feet with a baseball. But that isn't even an issue until SOME protocol is esblished. That can't be established until the YB guys say what they can do.

It appears some YB guy claims t be able to do omehting within this realm, so we just need to nail down a protocol and let CFLarson know that he is a prticipant

What I believe, and want to test is:
I can knock down a person that is full of hate and agression towards me.

when I practiced kung fu before I noticed that people can hit me quite hard, without having the intention to hurt me and that we called sparring, the teacher said: kick and punch, but only for practice not to hurt.

I would be happy if the attacker whoever it is in this test would afterwards be able to say: I did everything to knock him down, I really wanted to hurt him.

 

[Donn]

what I want to test is the level 1 protection, wich is protection from people trying to punch or kick you, I´m not at the level where you can survive knife and bullets. So I prefer that the attacker punches at me in this test.

1. Why do you need an attacker to punch you?
2. Do you or do you not have control of this "power"?

First we must ofcoruse agree on a protocol.

Fine. Answer the questions asked of you in this thread.

Don't be vague, be precise.

Don't use too few words, or too many.

 

[jmercer]

because I want him to run, I believe it is the best way because all the other YB gigs ive seen they always run.

No I don´t "want him in a bad stance so he can not throw a solid punch", he can run, then stop, then hit. And if the first punch is not a solid enough punch for him, then he can throw an other, and another etc..

You're on, if you have a New York YB practitioner available that's willing to do this.

The rules are:

1) I will run up to them with full intent to injure them
2) I will stop and throw multiple punches (no less than 2, no more than 5)
3) Success for me will be my opponent either falling down, running away, or showing injury (at which time I will immediately CEASE to hit them.)
4) Success for them will be my passing out, falling down, or not being able to strike them

One requirement - I want them to sign a release absolving me from all liability for any injury they may experience as a result of this test. I'll also sign a release.

Ready whenever you are.

 

[jmercer]

BTW, I can't "hate" you. Hate's a non-trivial emotion, and anyone who can just turn it on for no real reason needs help. I can't do that. You'd have to do something sufficient to make me hate you.

You'll just have to settle for disdain, disgust, and a sense of "warrior spirit".

(edited for grammar)

 

[Ed]

This must be a very slow week. I call Troll.

Incidentially, if simple and clear proof is wanted go to 125th and Amsterdam in NY and just call out "Yo, Ni**ers, you want some of this?" then stop punches to your hearts content. That is called "Black whup-ass" and is far, far stronger than yellow bamboo.

Fraud.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

Possibly a troll. I suppose, in comparison with other forums, we do give trolls rather more satisfaction than they deserve. But when you consider the outlandish nature of our subject matter, it is so much harder to tell when someone is just having a laugh.

 

[WildCat]

This must be a very slow week. I call Troll.

Incidentially, if simple and clear proof is wanted go to 125th and Amsterdam in NY and just call out "Yo, Ni**ers, you want some of this?" then stop punches to your hearts content. That is called "Black whup-ass" and is far, far stronger than yellow bamboo.

Fraud.

But since he's in Europe wouldn't it be easier to just go to a British soccer game and openly root for a team while sitting in the section rooting for the opposing team? There should be no dispute after that failed test as to whether or not hate or a desire to hurt was involved.